Ukraine Megathread: Crimea River Part Deux

[Estruia]

Only in Russia is a "significant" event consists of a Government news agency putting down some blogger.

Why are you using what is essentially an Imperial-Russian flag? Or am I mistaken?

The colors are in the wrong order.

[The balkens]

Why are you using what is essentially an Imperial-Russian flag? Or am I mistaken?

The colors are in the wrong order.

And there is an Iron Cross, the yellow replaces the red.

[Estruia]

The colors are in the wrong order.

And there is an Iron Cross, the yellow replaces the red.

It looks like an Austrian Imperial/Russian Imperial hybrid.

[The balkens]

And there is an Iron Cross, the yellow replaces the red.

It looks like an Austrian Imperial/Russian Imperial hybrid.

Meh.

[Shofercia]

Russia Today schools Forbes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxYs0qeHX_Q

Long story short, a Forbes blogger picked up an article in "Business Life" that claimed that Russia suffered 5,200 casualties in Ukraine. So RT wanted to find out what Business Life is, but there wasn't a single reachable phone number, or address. So they finally got in touch, via e-mail. Turns out that Business Life's article was posted on February, and wasn't edited until August 23rd. The edit "miraculously" happened to contain the 5,200 casualty information. And yes, this couldn've been discovered via a simple Google cache search. Ouch! Of course it's RT, so they do have a crazy guy at the end, telling us not to believe everything that we see online. But, excluding that last bit, RT got the facts right by fact checking. I don't understand why they didn't just say "it was over 9,000!"

"...a Forbes blogger..." The first person that came to my mind was that sad sack of human refuse, Paul Roderick Gregory. Of course, my suspicions were correct. All those years of peddling bullshit finally came back around on him.

Wonderful news.

Indeed

Russia Today schools Forbes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxYs0qeHX_Q

Long story short, a Forbes blogger picked up an article in "Business Life" that claimed that Russia suffered 5,200 casualties in Ukraine. So RT wanted to find out what Business Life is, but there wasn't a single reachable phone number, or address. So they finally got in touch, via e-mail. Turns out that Business Life's article was posted on February, and wasn't edited until August 23rd. The edit "miraculously" happened to contain the 5,200 casualty information. And yes, this couldn've been discovered via a simple Google cache search. Ouch! Of course it's RT, so they do have a crazy guy at the end, telling us not to believe everything that we see online. But, excluding that last bit, RT got the facts right by fact checking. I don't understand why they didn't just say "it was over 9,000!"

I'm sure the people RT get their headlines from are trustworthy!

Ahh yes, the classic "every media bullshits" attack. If only it actually contributed something of substance this time... but it didn't.

Forbes is generally regarded as a decent source, RT is not, so RT kicking their ass is kind of significant.

Forbes bloggers are in fact, contrary to popular belief, not a decent source. I'm not entirely sure why anyone is surprised that a blogger was put in their place by an entire News Agency.

Because if you would've actually watched the video, you'd know that numerous news agencies used the blogger a source. Let's see who got their news from an unreliable source, shall we?

UK's Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 72603.html

Whilst Russia continues to deny that its troops are fighting in the ongoing Ukrainian conflict, a respected news site in Russia seemingly inadvertently published secret figures that detail deaths and causalities of forces on the ground. According to Forbes, Russian news site Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn) revealed what seem to be official figures detailing the number of Russian troops killed and injured in "Eastern Ukraine." The site, which generally focuses on coverage of markets, finance and leisure, posted a piece entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” that at first glance would be uncontroversial. But the article appears to detail the numbers of Russian deaths, as well as the figures for those injuried. The content was hastily removed, but it was webcached by the Ukrainian journal Novy Region (New Region).

Radio Free Bullshit, excuse me, "Liberty": http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-ukr ... 10762.html

A Russian-language website has caused a stir with a report asserting that more than 2,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the conflict in eastern Ukraine. Delovaya Zhizn, which translates as Business Life, published the information online in March, as part of a larger story of how the Russian federal budget was compensating relatives of servicemen killed in the line of duty. The report went unnoticed until Ukrainian websites and Forbes magazine's online edition drew attention to it this week. Two former U.S. ambassadors to Russia and Ukraine -- Michael McFaul and Steven Pifer, respectively -- tweeted out mention of the report.

And in case you missed it: Two former U.S. ambassadors to Russia and Ukraine -- Michael McFaul and Steven Pifer, respectively -- tweeted out mention of the report.

NBC News: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukrain ... ed-n416206

The website of Delovaya Zhizn — which means Business Life — reported that as of early February nearly 2,000 families had received compensation of around $43,000 for relatives slain fighting in eastern Ukraine. Another 3,200 families had received $21,500 as compensation for soldiers wounded in battle, the site reported. While the article was published in March, it did not make headlines until it was censored this week. A copy of the story in Russian can still be found at Archive.org.

So many organizations took the idiotic story as face value, without doing the rudimentary fact checking that even RT requires.

Forbes bloggers are in fact, contrary to popular belief, not a decent source. I'm not entirely sure why anyone is surprised that a blogger was put in their place by an entire News Agency.

Only in Russia is a "significant" event consists of a Government news agency putting down some blogger.

See above for the numerous organizations that published the story. I could find more if you'd like. Then again, maybe you think that Putin somehow owns NBC

[Estruia]

"...a Forbes blogger..." The first person that came to my mind was that sad sack of human refuse, Paul Roderick Gregory. Of course, my suspicions were correct. All those years of peddling bullshit finally came back around on him.

Wonderful news.

Indeed

I'm sure the people RT get their headlines from are trustworthy!

Ahh yes, the classic "every media bullshits" attack. If only it actually contributed something of substance this time... but it didn't.

Forbes bloggers are in fact, contrary to popular belief, not a decent source. I'm not entirely sure why anyone is surprised that a blogger was put in their place by an entire News Agency.

Because if you would've actually watched the video, you'd know that numerous news agencies used the blogger a source. Let's see who got their news from an unreliable source, shall we?

UK's Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 72603.html

Whilst Russia continues to deny that its troops are fighting in the ongoing Ukrainian conflict, a respected news site in Russia seemingly inadvertently published secret figures that detail deaths and causalities of forces on the ground. According to Forbes, Russian news site Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn) revealed what seem to be official figures detailing the number of Russian troops killed and injured in "Eastern Ukraine." The site, which generally focuses on coverage of markets, finance and leisure, posted a piece entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” that at first glance would be uncontroversial. But the article appears to detail the numbers of Russian deaths, as well as the figures for those injuried. The content was hastily removed, but it was webcached by the Ukrainian journal Novy Region (New Region).

Radio Free Bullshit, excuse me, "Liberty": http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-ukr ... 10762.html

A Russian-language website has caused a stir with a report asserting that more than 2,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the conflict in eastern Ukraine. Delovaya Zhizn, which translates as Business Life, published the information online in March, as part of a larger story of how the Russian federal budget was compensating relatives of servicemen killed in the line of duty. The report went unnoticed until Ukrainian websites and Forbes magazine's online edition drew attention to it this week. Two former U.S. ambassadors to Russia and Ukraine -- Michael McFaul and Steven Pifer, respectively -- tweeted out mention of the report.

And in case you missed it: Two former U.S. ambassadors to Russia and Ukraine -- Michael McFaul and Steven Pifer, respectively -- tweeted out mention of the report.

NBC News: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukrain ... ed-n416206

The website of Delovaya Zhizn — which means Business Life — reported that as of early February nearly 2,000 families had received compensation of around $43,000 for relatives slain fighting in eastern Ukraine. Another 3,200 families had received $21,500 as compensation for soldiers wounded in battle, the site reported. While the article was published in March, it did not make headlines until it was censored this week. A copy of the story in Russian can still be found at Archive.org.

So many organizations took the idiotic story as face value, without doing the rudimentary fact checking that even RT requires.

Only in Russia is a "significant" event consists of a Government news agency putting down some blogger.

See above for the numerous organizations that published the story. I could find more if you'd like. Then again, maybe you think that Putin somehow owns NBC

Lol. I'm supposed to care that they used him as a source, why? Your constant Crusade against the West is getting tiresome, Shof.

[Shofercia]

Lol. I'm supposed to care that they used him as a source, why? Your constant Crusade against the West is getting tiresome, Shof.

If you cannot attack the argument, attack the person making it. Finally you show your true colors, Estruia, not that I ever had any doubt. My "Crusade", isn't against the West; it's against the bomb happy, sometimes insane, interventionist acts by those who think that America should run the World. I'd prefer my tax dollars to go to education. That actually helps the West. So, I guess, according to Estruia, a crusader is someone who funds the education system of his adversaries. Wow, just... wow!

So as the first captain of My "Crusade", I hereby summon, the "Proud Putinista", Ian Bremmer: http://www.businessinsider.com/ian-brem ... icy-2015-5

"And now the point is: How is America going to react to all of this?"

There are three specific foreign policy options for the US, according to him:

Indispensable America — US exceptionalism on a global scale. Indispensable America is the idea that Americans care about and actively work to make the world safer — especially because this ensures the safety of the American people. Furthermore, if America won't play the role of the world's policeman, then no one will — and that could lead to a much more dangerous world.

Moneyball America — running America like a company. Moneyball America takes a calculated look at what America is spending money on, how to minimize costs, and how to maximize the benefits.

Independent America — American values do matter, but the way to promote them is by investing in and focusing on the US rather than policing the world around. Once you build up and improve America, you will inevitably project American values across the world.

My "Crusade", (if posting on NSG can be called a Crusade,) is against the so called "Indispensable America" Model, which means that US is exceptional enough to be the World Cop. If an officer in my hood obliterated one house, set another on fire, and then tried to storm a mansion, I'd send for a replacement, wouldn't you?

[The balkens]

What did we do wrong in the eyes of a Russophile, now?

[Shofercia]

What did we do wrong in the eyes of a Russophile, now?

You're welcome to read my two previous posts. If you don't get it, I can't help you. Also, unless you can prove that you're related to royalty, you should stop using "we" and use the pronoun "I" instead

[Bratislavskaya]

Just thought I'd mention that at current there are apparently large protests in front of the Ukrainian Parliament, seemingly by Svoboda and Co.

[Chossudovsky]

Right Sector terrorist Oleg Sentsov sentenced to twenty years labour

Good decision by the court and good work from the Crimean authorities in averting another Odessa style massacre.

[The balkens]

Right Sector terrorist Oleg Sentsov sentenced to twenty years labour

Good decision by the court and good work from the Crimean authorities in averting another Odessa style massacre.

He was a FUCKING FILM DIRECTOR!?

Jesus Bearfucking christ, i didnt know producing film is "Terrorism" in Russia! Might as well arrest those fuckers that film abusing LGBT people!

What? No? That doesnt apply!?

[United Marxist Nations]

Right Sector terrorist Oleg Sentsov sentenced to twenty years labour

Good decision by the court and good work from the Crimean authorities in averting another Odessa style massacre.

He was a FUCKING FILM DIRECTOR!?

Jesus Bearfucking christ, i didnt know producing film is "Terrorism" in Russia! Might as well arrest those fuckers that film abusing LGBT people!

What? No? That doesnt apply!?

Read the fucking story, he helped organize a terrorist group that burned down two office buildings, Jesus Christ. Just because "Russia" doesn't mean that everything they do is some kind of persecution, good god.

[The balkens]

He was a FUCKING FILM DIRECTOR!?

Jesus Bearfucking christ, i didnt know producing film is "Terrorism" in Russia! Might as well arrest those fuckers that film abusing LGBT people!

What? No? That doesnt apply!?

Read the fucking story, he helped organize a terrorist group that burned down two office buildings, Jesus Christ. Just because "Russia" doesn't mean that everything they do is some kind of persecution, good god.

and nothing of value was lost. apparently.

And from the article, id say the trial was highly politicized, akin to the Rosenberg trial.

[United Marxist Nations]

Read the fucking story, he helped organize a terrorist group that burned down two office buildings, Jesus Christ. Just because "Russia" doesn't mean that everything they do is some kind of persecution, good god.

and nothing of value was lost. apparently.

What tf are you even trying to say here, that terrorism doesn't bother you if perpetrated against Russians?

[Estruia]

He was a FUCKING FILM DIRECTOR!?

Jesus Bearfucking christ, i didnt know producing film is "Terrorism" in Russia! Might as well arrest those fuckers that film abusing LGBT people!

What? No? That doesnt apply!?

Read the fucking story, he helped organize a terrorist group that burned down two office buildings, Jesus Christ. Just because "Russia" doesn't mean that everything they do is some kind of persecution, good god.

To be fair, the article claimed all of that without providing any sort of serious details. It was rather poorly written. It asserted a lot, but did not go into any sort of detail, which makes it difficult for non-Russian Nationalists to swallow.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying that you can't say "Look at the article!!" when the article basically says nothing of value.

[The balkens]

and nothing of value was lost. apparently.

What tf are you even trying to say here, that terrorism doesn't bother you if perpetrated against Russians?

Nobody fucking died, apparently. If its against some piece of Russian architecture, i'd see not problem against it.

[Estruia]

and nothing of value was lost. apparently.

What tf are you even trying to say here, that terrorism doesn't bother you if perpetrated against Russians?

I think he's saying that only material goods were lost, which can be easily replaced. It is horrible that two offices were burned down, but it certainly isn't on part with something like the Odessa Fire.

[United Marxist Nations]

What tf are you even trying to say here, that terrorism doesn't bother you if perpetrated against Russians?

Nobody fucking died, apparently. If its against some piece of Russian architecture, i'd see not problem against it.

I assume that destruction of property is legal in your country then?

[United Marxist Nations]

Read the fucking story, he helped organize a terrorist group that burned down two office buildings, Jesus Christ. Just because "Russia" doesn't mean that everything they do is some kind of persecution, good god.

To be fair, the article claimed all of that without providing any sort of serious details. It was rather poorly written. It asserted a lot, but did not go into any sort of detail, which makes it difficult for non-Russian Nationalists to swallow.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying that you can't say "Look at the article!!" when the article basically says nothing of value.

Well, it is only about the sentencing; the acts themselves were carried out more than a year ago.

[Estruia]

To be fair, the article claimed all of that without providing any sort of serious details. It was rather poorly written. It asserted a lot, but did not go into any sort of detail, which makes it difficult for non-Russian Nationalists to swallow.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying that you can't say "Look at the article!!" when the article basically says nothing of value.

Well, it is only about the sentencing; the acts themselves were carried out more than a year ago.

You would think that they would want to include every possible detail that they could. The article is very far from quality journalism though, so I can't say I'm surprised.

[The balkens]

Nobody fucking died, apparently. If its against some piece of Russian architecture, i'd see not problem against it.

I assume that destruction of property is legal in your country then?

More of a Pastime to some people. Welcome to America.

[Estruia]

I assume that destruction of property is legal in your country then?

More of a Pastime to some people. Welcome to America.

I mean, just look at Seattle during their Mayday Parades. That place turns into a mess.

[The balkens]

More of a Pastime to some people. Welcome to America.

I mean, just look at Seattle during their Mayday Parades. That place turns into a mess.

Sometimes its art. Look at Graffiti.

[Estruia]

I mean, just look at Seattle during their Mayday Parades. That place turns into a mess.

Sometimes its art. Look at Graffiti.

Personally, I don't like graffiti. I wouldn't even really call it art. However, that isn't the subject of this thread, so I think we shouldn't continue on with this, lol.