TET: All Glory To Pusheen!

[Jute]

Whitewash? I didn't even mention ethnicities or anything like that...

You're doing this on purpose.

I am definitely don't doing anything deliberately to upset you. If I did unintentionally, then I'm really sorry.

[Italios]

shemale
General Gage says, get the cannons ready
We dress up as Lochness monsters, and tear around terrorizing the French people.... rawr!

"Shemale" is still generally seen as an insult by most people and often refers to porn actors... I thought that was clear from the last time?

I have never heard shemale actually being used negatively, but if I don't wanna be called that, ok. I actually don't know your gender myself, so....

[Jute]

"Shemale" is still generally seen as an insult by most people and often refers to porn actors... I thought that was clear from the last time?

I have never heard shemale actually being used negatively, but if I don't wanna be called that, ok. I actually don't know your gender myself, so....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=852335

[Auremena]

Doesn't Tom Sawyer trick a neighbour into whitewashing a fence for him?

Tom Sawyer is as Tom Sawyer does.

But I like French people...

I like French people too, but this way they will give us their pastries so we stop!

Isn't it easier to just buy all the pastries at the patisserie?

[Forsher]

The person you are arguing with is unimportant. They are, for all intents and purposes, nothing more than a responsive outlet that supplies the other half of the conversation. Expecting to change their view is unfair and unrealistic. However, there are the lurkers. You are always trying to convince the lurkers who are, by definition, silent so, this way, everyone remains incentivised and no-one's the worse off.

tl;dr - NSG arguments are a bit like prayers, you're having a conversation with an entity you aren't sure is there and know won't respond.

Huh, I never thought about it that way.

Imagine that for several months (in fact, I believe, the better part of a year) the same half or dozen or so posters spend page after page after page on largely the same emotive topic that tends to attract trolls that adopt extreme views from both ends of the continuum (if such a word makes sense) and this same core of posters experiences very little in terms of the stance that they take. Now, do you think, in those circumstances, that views on why things are done and how they are done will develop? They sort of have to. Even once you start making things way too personal you run out of rationales pretty quickly and half the argument is how it's posted. Things got messy. And pretty much only stopped when one of the ideological positions left the site en masse for unrelated reasons.

The point is, you spend enough time doing something, you either stop doing it or get a lot more philosophical about what is going on. Lurkers is what struck me because I am unwilling to let go of the sides mentality. That approach works for other people.

My views on lurkers also overlap substantially with my views on the nature of the forum itself (see earlier tonight when we were discussing NS's trans community a few pages back) which is why you get: "Today's lurker is tomorrow's poster."

Another way of looking at it that I came across when I was trying to find an approximate genesis/better expression of the idea is this:

Speaking as someone who learned the basis of debate from the movie 'Thank you for smoking', I believe this relative has a more juvenile form of the argument style perfected in that movie.

Namely, 'I don't have to be right, you have to be wrong, and if you are wrong, then I am right'

Who does the judging is not explained in this way of thinking about things (I believe we accepted that was the audience in that thread, which I'd equate to lurkers) but it's a neat idea.

[Ava Ire]

Thank you kind sir/ma'am/thing/Karl.

It is my 4th of July flag.

Ah. Forgot my gender?

Nope!
Sir.

"Shemale" is still generally seen as an insult by most people and often refers to porn actors... I thought that was clear from the last time?

I have never heard shemale actually being used negatively, but if I don't wanna be called that, ok. I actually don't know your gender myself, so....

No, it's pretty negative. Especially for those who have already expressed their gender.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You're doing this on purpose.

I am definitely don't doing anything deliberately to upset you. If I did unintentionally, then I'm really sorry.

The term whitewashing is also widely used to refer to behaviour that has nothing to do with race.

[Larthinia]

You're doing this on purpose.

I am definitely don't doing anything deliberately to upset you. If I did unintentionally, then I'm really sorry.

The first time Jute made someone upset.

This day must enter in history.

[Jute]

I am definitely don't doing anything deliberately to upset you. If I did unintentionally, then I'm really sorry.

The first time Jute made someone upset.

This day must enter in history.

Not really.

[Italios]

I have never heard shemale actually being used negatively, but if I don't wanna be called that, ok. I actually don't know your gender myself, so....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=852335

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.

Tom Sawyer is as Tom Sawyer does.I like French people too, but this way they will give us their pastries so we stop!

Isn't it easier to just buy all the pastries at the patisserie?

I don't have that many Euros.

[Gallade]

Yes. Several neighbours.

I should probably read the book. And the one about Huckleberry Finn.

You should, they generally come together in one volume for convenience. The southern vernacular, especially the slaves, takes some serious getting used to, though. Still, great reads.

[Auremena]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=852335

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.

Isn't it easier to just buy all the pastries at the patisserie?

I don't have that many Euros.

I don't have any Euros.
I do have some old French francs tho, somewhere...

[Jute]

I am definitely don't doing anything deliberately to upset you. If I did unintentionally, then I'm really sorry.

The term whitewashing is also widely used to refer to behaviour that has nothing to do with race.

Well, I didn't know that, sorry. Or maybe had forgotten about that in that moment. Either way, I didn't mean for it to come across like that, as if I was downplaying anything...

[Italios]

I should probably read the book. And the one about Huckleberry Finn.

You should, they generally come together in one volume for convenience. The southern vernacular, especially the slaves, takes some serious getting used to, though. Still, great reads.

And if you liked Huckleberry Fin, may I suggest Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry, also has some strong language, but also a really good book.

[Jute]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=852335

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.

Isn't it easier to just buy all the pastries at the patisserie?

I don't have that many Euros.

That is not true. It's actually not that unreliable at all when it comes to slang words.
But take a look here, then: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shemale

[Gallade]

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.I don't have that many Euros.

I don't have any Euros.
I do have some old French francs tho, somewhere...

I don't have any euro. Bish. ;)

[Ava Ire]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=852335

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.

Uh, why not just call them "they" instead? Really...

[Italios]

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.
I don't have that many Euros.

That is not true. It's actually not that unreliable at all when it comes to slang words.
But take a look here, then: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shemale

Ah. Okay. Sorry, Jute. Did not mean it negatively

[Kiruri]

Thank you Lordie. Sorry bout the double post

I had to do a double take for a second, because I thought I'd replied to a post before you'd made it. Tired Lordy doesn't exactly fire on all cylinders.

:3 yeah, sorry bout that. I was on my cell and I have a tendency to screw up posting when I access the forums via mobile. Not sure why but it just happens.

But totally get some rest ^.^ I prefer a well oiled furry functioning lordie

[The Lendol Archipelago]

I should probably read the book. And the one about Huckleberry Finn.

You should, they generally come together in one volume for convenience. The southern vernacular, especially the slaves, takes some serious getting used to, though. Still, great reads.

I've got the one about Tom Sawyer and the one about Huckleberry Finn. The vernacular was what put me off when I first tried to read them a couple of years ago.

[The Serbian Empire]

shemale

Also, piss off.

Oh how much urine can we all dump on a person who calls us shemales?

[Gallade]

You should, they generally come together in one volume for convenience. The southern vernacular, especially the slaves, takes some serious getting used to, though. Still, great reads.

And if you liked Huckleberry Fin, may I suggest Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry, also has some strong language, but also a really good book.

Aye, Roll of Thunder was on the curriculum while I was teaching. Also a great series.

[Kiruri]

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.I don't have that many Euros.

I don't have any Euros.
I do have some old French francs tho, somewhere...

Hello Aure

[Dumb Ideologies]

I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender

Don't do that. Don't do that ever.

[Italios]

I don't have any Euros.
I do have some old French francs tho, somewhere...

I don't have any euro. Bish.

How about I just don't have enough money in general?

This is Urban Dictionary; everything is negative. I use it just when I'm not sure of someone's gender.

Uh, why not just call them "they" instead? Really...

I personally do not like using they; I understand it can be singular in specific circumstances but it still makes me feel weird when I'm referred to as a "they"... Just call me "he" or "she", I don't care if you're wrong about my gender or not.