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Postby Lordieth » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:09 am

Bralia wrote:
Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.

For some reason, people are usually pretty friendly around here. It's very odd.


NS is pretty liberal (lower-case L, not to be confused with the political movement of Liberalism).
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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:09 am

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Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.

I have wondered the same. Might be the moderators' actions against trolls and insulting people.

I've noticed more than a few coming to the realisation after joining NS. Barring some of them just saying it for attention and acceptance (I'd like to believe people aren't that low), it adds the question if transgender is more common than thought when societal old habits are removed.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:09 am

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The Serbian Empire wrote:I'm trying to lose weight for two reasons, I want to see what platform I have to work with. I may find more stuff as not passable with less fat obscuring features of mine.

I'm actually not too broken up about my weight. I've actually gotten slimmer recently, but I still have lumps on my chest that make me have odd positive feelings.

For me, the weight loss is also due to health issues as I've had elevated blood pressure and don't want my career to end at 50 like my father's did due to stroke from about two decades of high blood pressure.
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Postby Larthinia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:10 am

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I have a question: how do you get this feeling you do not belong to the body you have been born with (in other words how did you get the feeling you are a transgender?)
It always seemed weird to me.

Once again, you have forgotten this is the Internet and weird doesn't exist here.

I have not forgotten this is the internet.

If you say weird doesn't exist, then search meatspin and goatse. (at your own risk)
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Postby Italios » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:10 am

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Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.

I've been battling with my identity and with the nature of why do I like to wear women's clothing so much. It has reached the point that I realized through meditation that I've been a fraud to myself only held back by my shoulders preventing the full transformation. I've had this gender identity issue for years to the point I've played as female characters whenever possible for the last 13 years in video games and was living vicariously through my avatars.

People can address as either he or she as long as they know I'm a human being, with a brain, and a heart, and a pair of lungs. :p
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Postby Auremena » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:11 am

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Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.

I've been battling with my identity and with the nature of why do I like to wear women's clothing so much. It has reached the point that I realized through meditation that I've been a fraud to myself only held back by my shoulders preventing the full transformation. I've had this gender identity issue for years to the point I've played as female characters whenever possible for the last 13 years in video games and was living vicariously through my avatars.
Funny story, I've only played as male characters twice in RPGs, once just cause I wanted to see if I could do the gay Shephard romance in ME3, and once with a friend in FNV, where I didn't want to out myself, or at least I feared I would.
Hell, even in like Halo where the male/female difference is slight, I always used the female. It just felt "right," y'know.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:11 am

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Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.
Think it's the internet in general. I can tell you if I had many RL friends I'd spend a lot more time with them instead of here, but seeing as it's been difficult to make them because of my looks...


Not every forum is as tolerant and accepting as NS is.

You're a nice person, Aure. I don't think making friends is your problem. There are plenty of people out there who would accept you for who you are. Perhaps a little harder to find, but they do exist. I'd have given up long ago if I thought all people were selfish, careless beings.
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Postby Bralia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:12 am

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Bralia wrote:I'm actually not too broken up about my weight. I've actually gotten slimmer recently, but I still have lumps on my chest that make me have odd positive feelings.


I have a question: how do you get this feeling you do not belong to the body you have been born with (in other words how did you get the feeling you are a transgender?)
It always seemed weird to me.

I'm certainly not like most people. I wasn't born this way. To put it mostly simply, it's been the result of long-term, serious disenfranchisement with male culture and expectations. I'm a person who's chosen the life, more or less. That's another part of the reason why I feel especially "vulnerable", for a lack of a better word, and lack the motivation to do too much with myself. I'm not like other transgenders and they'd probably look down on me for making them look bad.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:13 am

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Bralia wrote:For some reason, people are usually pretty friendly around here. It's very odd.

NS is pretty liberal (lower-case L, not to be confused with the political movement of Liberalism).

Despite the neverending attempts of certain stubborn individuals whose personal frustations and impotent rage have been elevated to the level of a honest to God ideology. Granted, things would maybe get a bit boring without said malcontents, but warning levels in general would be lower as well.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:14 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.

I've been battling with my identity and with the nature of why do I like to wear women's clothing so much. It has reached the point that I realized through meditation that I've been a fraud to myself only held back by my shoulders preventing the full transformation. I've had this gender identity issue for years to the point I've played as female characters whenever possible for the last 13 years in video games and was living vicariously through my avatars.


It's nice to know you feel like you can talk about it openly here. At least you know there are many others here you can relate to.
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Postby Larthinia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:14 am

Bralia wrote:
Larthinia wrote:
I have a question: how do you get this feeling you do not belong to the body you have been born with (in other words how did you get the feeling you are a transgender?)
It always seemed weird to me.

I'm certainly not like most people. I wasn't born this way. To put it mostly simply, it's been the result of long-term, serious disenfranchisement with male culture and expectations. I'm a person who's chosen the life, more or less. That's another part of the reason why I feel especially "vulnerable", for a lack of a better word, and lack the motivation to do too much with myself. I'm not like other transgenders and they'd probably look down on me for making them look bad.

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Postby Auremena » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:15 am

Lordieth wrote:
Auremena wrote:Think it's the internet in general. I can tell you if I had many RL friends I'd spend a lot more time with them instead of here, but seeing as it's been difficult to make them because of my looks...
Not every forum is as tolerant and accepting as NS is.

You're a nice person, Aure. I don't think making friends is your problem. There are plenty of people out there who would accept you for who you are. Perhaps a little harder to find, but they do exist. I'd have given up long ago if I thought all people were selfish, careless beings.
True, I just see it more easy to express when appearance isn't necessarily factored in, like, for the most part online, I don't even mention it, and I get by pretty well, right?
I don't really have a vehicle for that yet, like, school is online and no work yet. If I get one of the officey jobs I'm in process for atm, like, I think it'll be easier, coworkers ask you out for drinks after work and the like.
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Postby Larthinia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:15 am

Y'know, sometimes, when I see so many transgenders and LGBT's in NS, I think that not they are the minority on NS, and that the heterosexuals are the minority. But that's just me.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:15 am

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Lordieth wrote:I do wonder why NS has such a relatively large trans community. It certainly seems so to me. Perhaps it says something positive about this place.


It could say that it is just less harmful than everywhere else. That's not a positive about NS it's a negative for everywhere else.

It could be that NS is just the internet's equivalent of the quiet little seat in the back of the library that no-one notices and no-one remembers. That's not really a positive either. In this view, NS is basically this place where people can retreat and ignore the real world. Actually that makes it more like a negative.

But, really, I would argue that people who are marginalised and are made to feel it find an apolitical lifestyle or a politically apathetic one harder to maintain. In this idea, NS is the intersection of a) young, b) doesn't have an established political channel and c) political, where b) is subject to some influence of those first two points. This has been extensively argued as a negative too, but explains the relatively large size of the trans community by the simple fact that your baseline appears to be the general population.


Being a political forum, I'd like to think that it attracts a certain level of intellect, and that it's that general lack of ignorance which is what makes NS a more welcoming and diverse place.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:15 am

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Jute wrote:I have wondered the same. Might be the moderators' actions against trolls and insulting people.

I've noticed more than a few coming to the realisation after joining NS. Barring some of them just saying it for attention and acceptance (I'd like to believe people aren't that low), it adds the question if transgender is more common than thought when societal old habits are removed.

I believe it is more common once old societal habits are removed. As I've become more separated from high school in my rural conservative hometown the more I've become what I am today. Simply, I became reclusive after graduating high school out of fear that people would discover my crossdressing habit. Then I became more comfortable with myself as I've matured and realized that if this was just a phase, I'd have moved on by now like what I did with 4chan.
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Postby Forsher » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:16 am

Lordieth wrote:
Bralia wrote:For some reason, people are usually pretty friendly around here. It's very odd.


NS is pretty liberal (lower-case L, not to be confused with the political movement of Liberalism).


Again, probably a function of youth. It seems that it is harder to pass on such prejudices without legal ones to support them... and of course social views depend on having what we might consider a critical mass anyway.

Bralia wrote:I'm certainly not like most people. I wasn't born this way. To put it mostly simply, it's been the result of long-term, serious disenfranchisement with male culture and expectations.


That's the interesting thing about masculinity, it's far more heavily tied up with things like sexuality and "not being different" in a way that femininity just isn't. There has, after all, been the tomboy for a long time but there is no, say, tomgirl.
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Postby Larthinia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:16 am

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Postby Charlia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:17 am

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Lordieth wrote:
NS is pretty liberal (lower-case L, not to be confused with the political movement of Liberalism).


Again, probably a function of youth. It seems that it is harder to pass on such prejudices without legal ones to support them... and of course social views depend on having what we might consider a critical mass anyway.

Bralia wrote:I'm certainly not like most people. I wasn't born this way. To put it mostly simply, it's been the result of long-term, serious disenfranchisement with male culture and expectations.


That's the interesting thing about masculinity, it's far more heavily tied up with things like sexuality and "not being different" in a way that femininity just isn't. There has, after all, been the tomboy for a long time but there is no, say, tomgirl.
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I think that might be a 'janegirl', all things considered.

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Postby Auremena » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:17 am

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Gallade wrote:I've noticed more than a few coming to the realisation after joining NS. Barring some of them just saying it for attention and acceptance (I'd like to believe people aren't that low), it adds the question if transgender is more common than thought when societal old habits are removed.

I believe it is more common once old societal habits are removed. As I've become more separated from high school in my rural conservative hometown the more I've become what I am today. Simply, I became reclusive after graduating high school out of fear that people would discover my crossdressing habit. Then I became more comfortable with myself as I've matured and realized that if this was just a phase, I'd have moved on by now like what I did with 4chan.
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Postby Italios » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:17 am

Larthinia wrote:Y'know, sometimes, when I see so many transgenders and LGBT's in NS, I think that not they are the minority on NS, and that the heterosexuals are the minority. But that's just me.

I think a lot of hetreosexuals don't even bother putting that in their sig, I mean it's not like your sexuality plays a huge role here, right? NSG is a nation simulation game, I personally do not care what kind of people your are interested in.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:17 am

Auremena wrote:
Lordieth wrote:Not every forum is as tolerant and accepting as NS is.

You're a nice person, Aure. I don't think making friends is your problem. There are plenty of people out there who would accept you for who you are. Perhaps a little harder to find, but they do exist. I'd have given up long ago if I thought all people were selfish, careless beings.
True, I just see it more easy to express when appearance isn't necessarily factored in, like, for the most part online, I don't even mention it, and I get by pretty well, right?
I don't really have a vehicle for that yet, like, school is online and no work yet. If I get one of the officey jobs I'm in process for atm, like, I think it'll be easier, coworkers ask you out for drinks after work and the like.


It's because you're not worrying about your appearance, and people like you because you're a likeable person. As they would in real life, if you too, didn't worry about your appearance when you spoke to people. Not that you have any reason to worry, in my view, but you understand what I'm saying, I hope.
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Postby Auremena » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:18 am

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Larthinia wrote:Y'know, sometimes, when I see so many transgenders and LGBT's in NS, I think that not they are the minority on NS, and that the heterosexuals are the minority. But that's just me.
I think a lot of hetreosexuals don't even bother putting that in their sig, I mean it's not like your sexuality plays a huge role here, right? NSG is a nation simulation game, I personally do not care what kind of people your are interested in.
Hell, outside of dating, sexuality matters naught, at least in my opinion.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:18 am

Larthinia wrote:Y'know, sometimes, when I see so many transgenders and LGBT's in NS, I think that not they are the minority on NS, and that the heterosexuals are the minority. But that's just me.

Nah. TET in particular is LGBT heavy, but the site as a whole is most certainly majorly heterosexual.

What I will never stop finding amusing though is NSG having more MTF women than cisgender women.
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Postby Larthinia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:19 am

Italios wrote:
Larthinia wrote:Y'know, sometimes, when I see so many transgenders and LGBT's in NS, I think that not they are the minority on NS, and that the heterosexuals are the minority. But that's just me.

I think a lot of hetreosexuals don't even bother putting that in their sig, I mean it's not like your sexuality plays a huge role here, right? NSG is a nation simulation game, I personally do not care what kind of people your are interested in.


I agree. If you're wondering why I put heterosexual, it's because idk to be honest.
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Anti: racism, drugs, alcohol, war, Iran, ISIS, China, Putin, North Korea.
male, blonde, tall, Romanian, heterosexual, religious, you have nothing else to know about me.

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Postby Lordieth » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:19 am

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Lordieth wrote:
NS is pretty liberal (lower-case L, not to be confused with the political movement of Liberalism).


Again, probably a function of youth. It seems that it is harder to pass on such prejudices without legal ones to support them... and of course social views depend on having what we might consider a critical mass anyway.


Or perhaps succeeding generations in the West are becoming more liberal over time.
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