9 Dead in SC Church Shooting - Hate Crime Confirmed.

[Cote d Argent]

And radicals islam is terror and gamg culture is thuggery

Sorry, but saying "I'm here to shoot black people" in a church tips towards racism.

Yes, radical islam is terrorism and gang culture is thuggery

and those are both bad.

Take the conservative fearmongering somewhere else please.

This isn't the place for tea party bullshit.

But it is the place for bolshevik scare mongering about racism being anything other than a lunatic fringe in USA?

[Blakk Metal]

But what I said, his anger at black violence, isn't.

This is the most asinine and offensive line of non-reasoning that I've seen on this site, and I say that as someone who has debated God Kefka/Infected Mushroom.

I'm not even arguing for anything. What's wrong with you?

[Cote d Argent]

If he is medically insane, then he shouldn't be legally responsible for what he did.

But he should be kept away from society.

The problem is people always jump to mental illness with white shooters, yet every crime that happens with a black guy, it's because they're a thug, and black culture is the culprit.

It's actually the reverse. Anytime a white person shoots someone or even if they arent really white just assumed to be, its about racism or sexism or some other ism or phobia. If a poc shoots someone it is taboo to look at their ideology its all blamed on that individual or being provoked by that useful boogyman the cishet white male or patriarchy.

[Mushet]

I never expected an NSG'er to support this barbarism.

Yeah, that kinda stunned me as well.

You two need to lurk moar.

Seriously I'm not surprised by divisive views on here, pretty much the only way is if somebody says something uncharacteristic of them, and this is far from one of those cases.

[The Grim Reaper]

If he is medically insane, then he shouldn't be legally responsible for what he did.

But he should be kept away from society.

The problem is people always jump to mental illness with white shooters, yet every crime that happens with a black guy, it's because they're a thug, and black culture is the culprit.

Without commenting on the latter portion of the post, I 'believe' that in the USA an insanity plea will have you committed. It's not particularly effective, because hey, US healthcare, but it's better than jail for people who are genuinely medically insane. That would have the intended effect of segregating the individual from society. That part was a response solely to the quoted post.

I absolutely accept that the latter remark may have veracity, but I'm not American - I don't know what your media is like. Australian media does not cover shootings a whole lot, nor do the foreign media outlets I purvey (The BBC, mainly, as well as Al-Jazeera). So I can't comment on whether it's accurate. I imagine it is, but I can't really back that up with evidence, statistical or anecdotal.

What I can do is argue that both statements - one pertaining to mental illness, and one pertaining to societal issues - are two halves of the same issue. If this is the case with media, I agree that it is possible people are cherrypicking evident, true elements of the story to present a certain racially-based narrative.

[Gauthier]

But he should be kept away from society.

The problem is people always jump to mental illness with white shooters, yet every crime that happens with a black guy, it's because they're a thug, and black culture is the culprit.

Without commenting on the latter portion of the post, I 'believe' that in the USA an insanity plea will have you committed. It's not particularly effective, because hey, US healthcare, but it's better than jail for people who are genuinely medically insane. That would have the intended effect of segregating the individual from society. That part was a response solely to the quoted post.

I absolutely accept that the latter remark may have veracity, but I'm not American - I don't know what your media is like. Australian media does not cover shootings a whole lot, nor do the foreign media outlets I purvey (The BBC, mainly, as well as Al-Jazeera). So I can't comment on whether it's accurate. I imagine it is, but I can't really back that up with evidence, statistical or anecdotal.

What I can do is argue that both statements - one pertaining to mental illness, and one pertaining to societal issues - are two halves of the same issue. If this is the case with media, I agree that it is possible people are cherrypicking evident, true elements of the story to present a certain racially-based narrative.

In the case of Dylann Roof, it's likely that mental illness merely aggravated his acquired racist tendencies. However there does seem to be a habit on media of jumping to label white shooters as mentally ill in order to imply that the shootings were not pre-meditated but in fact spur of the moment bouts of insanity far from the norm for white people, whereas a black or Middle Eastern shooter will almost always bring on a diatribe about ghetto culture and the Inherent Evil of Islam.

[Blakk Metal]

Without commenting on the latter portion of the post, I 'believe' that in the USA an insanity plea will have you committed. It's not particularly effective, because hey, US healthcare, but it's better than jail for people who are genuinely medically insane. That would have the intended effect of segregating the individual from society. That part was a response solely to the quoted post.

I absolutely accept that the latter remark may have veracity, but I'm not American - I don't know what your media is like. Australian media does not cover shootings a whole lot, nor do the foreign media outlets I purvey (The BBC, mainly, as well as Al-Jazeera). So I can't comment on whether it's accurate. I imagine it is, but I can't really back that up with evidence, statistical or anecdotal.

What I can do is argue that both statements - one pertaining to mental illness, and one pertaining to societal issues - are two halves of the same issue. If this is the case with media, I agree that it is possible people are cherrypicking evident, true elements of the story to present a certain racially-based narrative.

In the case of Dylann Roof, it's likely that mental illness merely aggravated his acquired racist tendencies. However there does seem to be a habit on media of jumping to label white shooters as mentally ill in order to imply that the shootings were not pre-meditated but in fact spur of the moment bouts of insanity far from the norm for white people, whereas a black will be ignored, and a Middle Eastern shooter will almost always bring on a diatribe about ghetto culture and the Inherent Evil of Islam poverty].

Corrected.

[Gauthier]

In the case of Dylann Roof, it's likely that mental illness merely aggravated his acquired racist tendencies. However there does seem to be a habit on media of jumping to label white shooters as mentally ill in order to imply that the shootings were not pre-meditated but in fact spur of the moment bouts of insanity far from the norm for white people, whereas a black will be ignored, and a Middle Eastern shooter will almost always bring on a diatribe about ghetto culture and the Inherent Evil of Islam poverty].

Corrected.

Applying for a journalism spot on FOXNews, I take it?

[Blakk Metal]

Corrected.

Applying for a journalism spot on FOXNews, I take it?

Better than being a liar.

[Gauthier]

Applying for a journalism spot on FOXNews, I take it?

Better than being a liar.

Rather be a liar than a FOXNews journalist myself.

[Blakk Metal]

Better than being a liar.

Rather be a liar than a FOXNews journalist myself.

That explains why complain about the Illuminati mythical media biases.

[Gauthier]

Rather be a liar than a FOXNews journalist myself.

That explains why complain about the Illuminati mythical media biases.

Shooters of color are called ‘terrorists’ and ‘thugs.’ Why are white shooters called ‘mentally ill’?

Only In Republican America Is This Man NOT A Thug And A Terrorist

[Oil exporting People]

Only In Republican America Is This Man NOT A Thug And A Terrorist

Actually, that's a lie and we both know it. Fox News was outlining this guy is a racist and a domestic terrorist all day yesterday and even took a screencap of their website to post in here last night:



So yes, there is Fox calling this man a domestic terrorist. I expect you to apologize for this slander upon Republicans, and admit your mistake.

[Camicon]

I hope he isn't suffering from insanity. That would mean he isn't legally responsible for what he did.

Hey, here's an idea, let's stop blaming horrible acts of violence on mental illness, hmm?

If he is medically insane, then he shouldn't be legally responsible for what he did.

To clarify: I am not hoping that he is not found to be medically insane, I am hoping that he is not medically insane. The latter offers the surviving victims a chance to make sense of what happened, and discourages a false media discourse where his actions are blamed on something that was not the actual cause.

Only In Republican America Is This Man NOT A Thug And A Terrorist

Actually, that's a lie and we both know it. Fox News was outlining this guy is a racist and a domestic terrorist all day yesterday and even took a screencap of their website to post in here last night:



So yes, there is Fox calling this man a domestic terrorist. I expect you to apologize for this slander upon Republicans, and admit your mistake.

A picture of some FOX News video thumbnails, and the words "domestic" and "terrorist" are not shown once. What is that supposed to prove, exactly?

[Blakk Metal]

If he is medically insane, then he shouldn't be legally responsible for what he did.

To clarify: I am not hoping that he is not found to be medically insane, I am hoping that he is not medically insane. The latter offers the surviving victims a chance to make sense of what happened, and discourages a false media discourse where his actions are blamed on something that was not the actual cause.

Actually, that's a lie and we both know it. Fox News was outlining this guy is a racist and a domestic terrorist all day yesterday and even took a screencap of their website to post in here last night:



So yes, there is Fox calling this man a domestic terrorist. I expect you to apologize for this slander upon Republicans, and admit your mistake.

A picture of some FOX News video thumbnails, and the words "domestic" and "terrorist" are not shown once. What is that supposed to prove, exactly?

Look at the right middle one. It clearly says 'domestic terrorist'. In fact, here's the video.

[Oil exporting People]

A picture of some FOX News video thumbnails, and the

words "domestic" and "terrorist" are not shown once. What is that supposed to prove, exactly?

Did you even bother to read it? Second row, second video in clear letters states: Geraldo: Charlestown Massacre "an act of domestic terrorism"

[Cote d Argent]

If he is medically insane, then he shouldn't be legally responsible for what he did.

To clarify: I am not hoping that he is not found to be medically insane, I am hoping that he is not medically insane. The latter offers the surviving victims a chance to make sense of what happened, and discourages a false media discourse where his actions are blamed on something that was not the actual cause.

Actually, that's a lie and we both know it. Fox News was outlining this guy is a racist and a domestic terrorist all day yesterday and even took a screencap of their website to post in here last night:



So yes, there is Fox calling this man a domestic terrorist. I expect you to apologize for this slander upon Republicans, and admit your mistake.

A picture of some FOX News video thumbnails, and the words "domestic" and "terrorist" are not shown once. What is that supposed to prove, exactly?

Yes please ignore the words domestic terrorist that are right there

[Gun Manufacturers]

If he is medically insane, then he shouldn't be legally responsible for what he did.

To clarify: I am not hoping that he is not found to be medically insane, I am hoping that he is not medically insane. The latter offers the surviving victims a chance to make sense of what happened, and discourages a false media discourse where his actions are blamed on something that was not the actual cause.

Actually, that's a lie and we both know it. Fox News was outlining this guy is a racist and a domestic terrorist all day yesterday and even took a screencap of their website to post in here last night:



So yes, there is Fox calling this man a domestic terrorist. I expect you to apologize for this slander upon Republicans, and admit your mistake.

A picture of some FOX News video thumbnails, and the words "domestic" and "terrorist" are not shown once. What is that supposed to prove, exactly?

Second row, on the right.

[Camicon]

Oh dear. I missed a few words. The end is nigh. Or something.

[Cote d Argent]

Oh dear. I missed a few words. The end is nigh. Or something.

Its ok liberal Bolsheviks like you refuse to face inconvenient facts all the time.

[Blakk Metal]

Yet, not oddly enough, conservatives like FOX News say that the shootings weren't racially motivated.

FOX has been trying to push the "attack on faith" angle hard, because for some reason, that's easier than "attack on black people". The "I want to start a race war" and apartheid South Africa patch are obvious.

Wrong. Just after 1:40 of this video, Geraldo Rivera clearly says "We can't dance around it, they're dead because they're black."

[Blakk Metal]

Oh dear. I missed a few words. The end is nigh. Or something.

Its ok liberal Bolsheviks like you refuse to face inconvenient facts all the time.

Define 'liberal Bolsheviks'.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Executing him would keep this man away from society.

Seriously, no on this rehabilitation. Its not worth it.

Executions cost more than life-in-prison. Rehabilitation offers the slim chance that Roof might give back to society.

I've heard many an argument to the contrary, especially with prison-overcrowding leading to "life-imprisonment" only lasting about 5 years actually in-prison, everything else on parole.

[Camicon]

Oh dear. I missed a few words. The end is nigh. Or something.

Its ok liberal Bolsheviks like you refuse to face inconvenient facts all the time.

I just admitted that I made a mistake. How exactly is that "refusing to face inconvenient facts"? And do you even know what a Bolshevik is? Or what liberal means, for that matter? I'm betting good money that you don't.

FOX has been trying to push the "attack on faith" angle hard, because for some reason, that's easier than "attack on black people". The "I want to start a race war" and apartheid South Africa patch are obvious.

Wrong. Just after 1:40 of this video, Geraldo Rivera clearly says "We can't dance around it, they're dead because they're black."

Well, good for that one FOX News anchor then. Now, if only the rest of the right-wing media would sack up.

Executions cost more than life-in-prison. Rehabilitation offers the slim chance that Roof might give back to society.

I've heard many an argument to the contrary, especially with prison-overcrowding leading to "life-imprisonment" only lasting about 5 years actually in-prison, everything else on parole.

You actually think someone like Dylan Roof would ever get out on parol? The US justice system is fucked sideways, but not that far sideways.

[Mavorpen]

Its ok liberal Bolsheviks like you refuse to face inconvenient facts all the time.

I just admitted that I made a mistake. How exactly is that "refusing to face inconvenient facts"? And do you even know what a Bolshevik is? Or what liberal means, for that matter? I'm betting good money that you don't.

Wrong. Just after 1:40 of this video, Geraldo Rivera clearly says "We can't dance around it, they're dead because they're black."

Well, good for that one FOX News anchor then. Now, if only the rest of the right-wing media would sack up.

I mean, I think that being proud of just one Fox news anchor being logical says a lot about how low the expectations are for it.