9 Dead in SC Church Shooting - Hate Crime Confirmed.

[HMS Vanguard]

"...the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terrorism."
- Karl Marx, "The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 7 November 1848.

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."
- Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels "Suppression of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung", Neue Rheinische Zeitung, May 19, 1849

Somebody here is deliberately equating "terrorism" as used in the 19th century, that is, a reference to la Terreur, a period of intestine fight between the various factions of the French Revolution leading to summary executions granted by "special tribunals", and "terrorism" as used in the 20th and 21st centuries.
False equivalence.

They're certainly different concepts but are immoral for basically the same reason: they both involve murdering political opponents for their beliefs. Ultimately Marx's version is more evil, and has claimed far more lives, because he isn't proposing to kill a few to win control. He is proposing to slaughter his helpless enemies after he has already defeated them.

[Risottia]

Somebody here is deliberately equating "terrorism" as used in the 19th century, that is, a reference to la Terreur, a period of intestine fight between the various factions of the French Revolution leading to summary executions granted by "special tribunals", and "terrorism" as used in the 20th and 21st centuries.
False equivalence.

They're certainly different concepts but are immoral (...)

Absolutely immoral, fine. But you can't really say they're the same thing. Hence, there is no reason why the XIX-century definition of "terrorism" should pop up in a thread about a XXI-century act of terrorism, unless it's to use it to promote some logically fallacious argument.

[Norstal]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world. Not all racists will gravitate towards violence, some of us just want to be left alone to ardently oppose fair housing or engage in White flight for example, so we can live in our respective racial majority neighborhoods unhindered.

I know as well as anyone that it is nobody's fault what race they're born into, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned about my race's demographics, status, etc. At the end of the day, I relish my skin color, so I primarily like to associate with my own kind. If I were Black in another life, chances are I'd be a Black Panther or apart of a similar group if I had the same outlook on life.

So you're not part of the human race?

[HMS Vanguard]

They're certainly different concepts but are immoral (...)

Absolutely! But you can't really say they're the same thing. Hence, there is no reason why the XIX-century definition of "terrorism" should pop up in a thread about a XXI-century act of terrorism, unless it's to use it to promote some logically fallacious argument.

On the other hand, the person you're responding to didn't claim they were. The comparison was between Socialism and National Socialism, not Marx's and modern views of terrorism. The sort of terrorism to which Marx is referring is more similar to the practices of the National Socialists than the modern form. I guess one could argue that you made an off-topic reply to an off-topic post.

[Esternial]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world. Not all racists will gravitate towards violence, some of us just want to be left alone to ardently oppose fair housing or engage in White flight for example, so we can live in our respective racial majority neighborhoods unhindered.

I know as well as anyone that it is nobody's fault what race they're born into, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned about my race's demographics, status, etc. At the end of the day, I relish my skin color, so I primarily like to associate with my own kind. If I were Black in another life, chances are I'd be a Black Panther or apart of a similar group if I had the same outlook on life.

Wow, that sound like mentally unstable banter from nutjobs that see conspiracies in their breakfast cheerios.

You should see to getting some of these people sectioned for their own safety.

[Risottia]

Absolutely! But you can't really say they're the same thing. Hence, there is no reason why the XIX-century definition of "terrorism" should pop up in a thread about a XXI-century act of terrorism, unless it's to use it to promote some logically fallacious argument.

On the other hand, the person you're responding to didn't claim they were. The comparison was between Socialism and National Socialism,

Which is notoriously bullshit. Just like the claims that "omg the evil Soviets killed more people than Nazis" or similar shit.

I guess one could argue that you made an off-topic reply to an off-topic post.

I guess one could.

[Imperializt Russia]

Somebody here is deliberately equating "terrorism" as used in the 19th century, that is, a reference to la Terreur, a period of intestine fight between the various factions of the French Revolution leading to summary executions granted by "special tribunals", and "terrorism" as used in the 20th and 21st centuries.
False equivalence.

They're certainly different concepts but are immoral for basically the same reason: they both involve murdering political opponents for their beliefs. Ultimately Marx's version is more evil, and has claimed far more lives, because he isn't proposing to kill a few to win control. He is proposing to slaughter his helpless enemies after he has already defeated them.

Though elements of the French Revolution continued to be fought for one reason or another until 1799, la Terreur ran for a year, starting about when the monarchy had already fallen. King Louis XVI was actually a relatively late killing for the Reign of Terror, only executed in January 1793.

[The 502nd SS]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

How is he racist?

[Llamalandia]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

Wait what? Since when joe arpaio a racist? I mean, I know he has been criticized for the way he runs his jail, but I wasn't aware of a racial component to that. If you mean his tough on illegal immigration, well that's not racist. Nothing wrong with not wanting illegal immigrants flooding the country. As long as he isn't also deliberately harassing legal immigrants without cause, then I fail to see how he's a racist.

[Norstal]

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

How is he racist?

Racial profiling isn't racist?

Or how about believing Obama is a foreigner despite him showing his birth certificate? What kind of discrimination is that? Sexism?

[Saiwania]

Is irrelevant. More to the point, it's not an argument you can support - because you can't post them as a source, here.

The point was that even I get dismayed at the excuses made. Is there anything that is not the Jews' fault to neo-Nazis and certain others within the White power movement? This was a clear cut hate crime, but in all honesty- it is rare for any non-White suspects to ever be charged with hate crimes if they do something similar. It is easier for a Black panther or La Raza member for example, to avoid the extra time associated with crimes that have racism motivations. The two Black panthers that guarded that voting booth and turned some people away, got off scott free because Eric Holder had other priorities.

[-Ebola-]

How is he racist?

Racial profiling isn't racist?

Or how about believing Obama is a foreigner despite him showing his birth certificate? What kind of discrimination is that? Sexism?

Maybe Arpaio is secretly a woman and a feminazi.

[Gauthier]

Racial profiling isn't racist?

Or how about believing Obama is a foreigner despite him showing his birth certificate? What kind of discrimination is that? Sexism?

Maybe Arpaio is secretly a woman and a feminazi.

After Rachel Dolezal, this can no longer be dismissed as a joke.

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Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

How is he racist?

If Mexicans were Jews Arpaio would be Himmler.

[Domineering Westerners]

Is irrelevant. More to the point, it's not an argument you can support - because you can't post them as a source, here.

The point was that even I get dismayed at the excuses made. Is there anything that is not the Jews' fault to neo-Nazis and certain others within the White power movement? This was a clear cut hate crime, but in all honesty- it is rare for any non-White suspects to ever be charged with hate crimes if they do something similar. It is easier for a Black panther or La Raza member for example, to avoid the extra time associated with crimes that have racism motivations. The two Black panthers that guarded that voting booth and turned some people away, got off scott free because Eric Holder had other priorities.

What about our favorite "white" Hispanic: the Zim Zam? Sure, he wasn't convicted (thank god), but they wanted his head on a platter.

[Gauthier]

How is he racist?

If Mexicans were Jews Arpaio would be Himmler.

Doesn't he put them in prison camps?

[Ifreann]

If Mexicans were Jews Arpaio would be Himmler.

Doesn't he put them in prison camps?

I don't think the feds let him arrest people for illegal immigration any more, so he might have had to diversify the population of his prison camps.

[MERIZoC]

If Mexicans were Jews Arpaio would be Himmler.

Doesn't he put them in prison camps?

It's not pretty.

Arpaio set up a "Tent City" in 1993 as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail for convicted and sentenced prisoners. Arpaio has described Tent City as a concentration camp. Tent City is located in a yard next to a more permanent structure containing toilets, showers, and an area for meals.
On July 2, 2011, when the temperature in Phoenix hit 118 °F (48 °C), Arpaio measured the temperature inside Tent City at 145 °F (63 °C). Some inmates complained that fans near their beds were not working, and that their shoes were melting from the heat. During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths."
In 1997, Amnesty International published a report on Arpaio's jails which found that Tent City is not an "adequate or humane alternative to housing inmates in suitable ... jail facilities." Tent City is criticized by groups contending that there are violations of human and constitutional rights.
In 2005, Pearl Wilson whose son was murdered in Tent City, wrote a letter to the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors asking for Tent City to be torn down.
Arpaio stated that he reserves the punishment of living in tent city "for those who have been convicted". However, most of the population consists of pre-trial inmates.

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Nazism, the ideology called for the extermination and enslavement of all non-"Aryans".

Please show me where socialism called for such a thing? Because otherwise you cannot compare the ideologies.

Oh, I can.

"This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom."
- Friedrich Engels, "Schelling and Revelation: Conclusion", 1841

"...the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terrorism."
- Karl Marx, "The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 7 November 1848.

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."
- Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels "Suppression of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung", Neue Rheinische Zeitung, May 19, 1849

"Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way."
- Karl Marx, "Forced Emigration", New York Tribune 1853:

This is Marx only, I will not be quoting here Lenin, Stalin, Mao &CO, but if you want, I will.

Let's try this in modern times. Take all acts of politically motivated terrorism on US soil, divide it into left and right wing. The left wing body count is under 100, the right-wing body count is in the thousands even if you took away Oklahoma City.

[The 502nd SS]

How is he racist?

Racial profiling isn't racist?

Or how about believing Obama is a foreigner despite him showing his birth certificate? What kind of discrimination is that? Sexism?

I haven't been following the case that closely and I didn't know anything about him, so calm down.

[Imperializt Russia]

Arpaio set up a "Tent City" in 1993 as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail for convicted and sentenced prisoners.
...
Arpaio stated that he reserves the punishment of living in tent city "for those who have been convicted". However, most of the population consists of pre-trial inmates.

Because that statement would have made it better even if it were true.
I'm even sidestepping the "concentration camp" remark.

[Minoa]

This is outright horrific: the shootings are a massive set back for racial equality in the US.

[Blakk Metal]

How is he racist?

If Mexicans were Jews Arpaio would be Himmler.

Godwin's law

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If Mexicans were Jews Arpaio would be Himmler.

Godwin's law

You can compare two hateful, racist people even if the crimes of one are severely out of proportion with the other. For example, Dylann Roof is quite like ISIS, although he only murdered 9 and ISIS has killed thousands.

One doesn't have to actually commit genocide to be cut from the same cloth as those who did.

[Grave_n_idle]

This is outright horrific: the shootings are a massive set back for racial equality in the US.

No, they are just a manifestation. The shootings were just a symptom of an underlying condition.