9 Dead in SC Church Shooting - Hate Crime Confirmed.

[HMS Vanguard]

Do you consider their somewhat unique reasons for doing so remotely interesting?

The Nazis privatised many formerly state-owned enterprises.

They were heavy supporters of capitalism, despite what their propaganda said (which you seem to have a keen interest in).

So your view is that the poster does not reflect the National Socialists' beliefs and that they lied to their supporters about their opposition to capitalism and belief in socialism?

[Grave_n_idle]

Stormfront's view on this...

Is irrelevant.

More to the point, it's not an argument you can support - because you can't post them as a source, here.

[Ardoki]

The Nazis privatised many formerly state-owned enterprises.

They were heavy supporters of capitalism, despite what their propaganda said (which you seem to have a keen interest in).

So your view is that the poster does not reflect the National Socialists' beliefs and that they lied to their supporters about their opposition to capitalism and belief in socialism?

Have you ever heard of propaganda?

Yes, since the actions of the Nazis were not only not socialist but in fact capitalist, they did lie to their people and opposition. There was a reason they originally portrayed themselves as Nazis, it was because in inter-war Germany Socialism was very popular, and they used that fact to get elected.

[Grave_n_idle]

What I posted is on topic. I see people in here trying to stigmatize all racists as potential criminals.

Anyone is a potential criminal. Racists are just particularly problematic because racists are especially susceptible to radicalisation.

Its a spectrum that goes from mild to severe. This gunman simply took White supremacism too far

White supremacism is already 'too far'.

...and hurt the movement in the long term when it is already in a state of mere survival and disarray from the simple fact that there are fewer Whites

That's a nonsense. If there were a statistically meaningful reduction in the white population, that would make the 'movement' of white racists easier.

...and all the non-White ethnicities are growing to a larger share of the total gene pool. For racists to function nowadays, we pretty much have to practice what we preach covertly.

Racists should 'practice' covertly. It's okay for you to have these prejudices, it's not okay for you to share them or act on them.

If no one is going to care about their own racial groups, someone has to...

Not really. Race doesn't matter.

[HMS Vanguard]

So your view is that the poster does not reflect the National Socialists' beliefs and that they lied to their supporters about their opposition to capitalism and belief in socialism?

Have you ever heard of propaganda?

Yet. Let us consider some examples.


A British poster from WWII. Did the British government want women working in factories, or not?


An American poster from WWII. Did the American government consider people volunteering information about shipping routes a problem, or not?


A Japanese poster from WWII. Did the Japanese government want Australians to be worried about their wives sleeping with allied servicemen back home, or not?


A more modern propaganda poster. Does the US government want people to recycle, or not?

Propaganda isn't synonymous with lies. It has a definite purpose and factual claims it makes may or may not be true (maybe loose lips don't sink ships!), but it ultimately reflects the values that it wants to impart to its audience. It has to, because otherwise it serves no purpose. In their election poster the Nazis are stating that 1. capitalism is bad and 2. they are a better choice for someone who opposes capitalism than the Social Democrats. This is a weird thing to say if they actually support capitalism. How many parties in history have stood on a platform opposite to their actual beliefs, and somehow managed to maintain consistency over many decades and after taking in millions of new members, who weren't in on the scam? This is a conspiracy theory of a very high order.

Yes, since the actions of the Nazis were not only not socialist but in fact capitalist, they did lie to their people and opposition. There was a reason they originally portrayed themselves as Nazis, it was because in inter-war Germany Socialism was very popular, and they used that fact to get elected.

I don't think you are right. The National Socialists, like the Italian Fascists, believed in an economy managed by the state via regulation of corporatist cartels. Every historical work I've read that treated the German economy in this time has supported that view.

[West Aurelia]

-snip-

Not sure how this is relevant.

[HMS Vanguard]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world.

That's fascinating. It precisely mirrors the common belief among Muslims that terrorist attacks committed by Islamic extremists in the West are false flag operations on the part of Jews, Israel, the US, the UK, etc.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, since the actions of the Nazis were not only not socialist but in fact capitalist, they did lie to their people and opposition. There was a reason they originally portrayed themselves as Nazis, it was because in inter-war Germany Socialism was very popular, and they used that fact to get elected.

I don't think you are right. The National Socialists, like the Italian Fascists, believed in an economy managed by the state via regulation of corporatist cartels. Every historical work I've read that treated the German economy in this time has supported that view.

Critically, this makes the Nazis absolutely not socialist and entirely capitalist.

[Greed and Death]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

[HMS Vanguard]

I don't think you are right. The National Socialists, like the Italian Fascists, believed in an economy managed by the state via regulation of corporatist cartels. Every historical work I've read that treated the German economy in this time has supported that view.

Critically, this makes the Nazis absolutely not socialist and entirely capitalist.

Thank you for another baffling contribution...

[Herskerstad]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

That's nice of him, though I'd be surprised if police already is not sending their men at least for the short-term in case of a copy-cat.

[Big Jim P]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

Mostly just a political gesture, as many citizens of Arizona carry guns and can protect themselves.

Of course they might not carry in church.

[Dyakovo]

Critically, this makes the Nazis absolutely not socialist and entirely capitalist.

Thank you for another baffling contribution...

What is so hard to understand?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Make him an example.
Make it known that South Carolina as a state does not tolerate this sort of action, and no mercy will be given to those who commit such heinous atrocities.
Show that they do not take this sort of thing lightly...

So, stoop to his level, let him rest in peace, and make him a martyr. Fantastic.

I've found that anyone can make anyone into a martyr for anything if they suspend enough disbelief in their cause.

Internet trolls, for example.

[El Cuscatlan]

Can you please provide evidence to prove their authenticity.

Because I looked at them really closely with an image editor, and you can clearly see they are fakes. Even someone with just a cursory knowledge of historic symbolism, knows they cannot possible be correct.

Challenge accepted. Tell me how are they fakes and I shall respond.

The first one is obviously a fake. If it were truly Soviet it would say 'CCCP' (Союз Советских Социалистических Республик). Instead it has 'PCCP' written on it, which proves it has nothing to do with the Soviet Union. I'm not sure if you were trying to mislead me, as it is obviously fake.

For your reference, it says "RSFSR" when translated to Cyrillic. Sorry but if you knew Russian (I speak barely, but know Cyrylic) you would have known that the Ф sign in the middle stands for "f" letter in English. The same that if you known that USSR was created in 1922. That pin is from Polish - Bolshevik war (1919-1921), which ended year before. In that time there was no USSR: there was RSFSR, Russian Socialist Federative republic, or Российская Советская Федеративная Социалистическая Республика if you want Russian that much.

The second one does nothing to prove the Nazis were Socialist. Have you ever heard of a Socialist who privatises state-owned corporations?

I have not seen, but that is conditional; if the corporations are private, it does not mean that they are free in the market. In Nazi Germany corporations were not allowed to operate freely, but restricted on every move by ministry of economy.

Let me quote somebody:

"“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Adolf Hitler - See more at: http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/naz ... 2Oi8f.dpuf"

“The Reichswirtschaftsministerium (‘Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs’) tells the shop managers what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. It assigns every worker to his job and fixes his wages. It decrees to whom and on what terms the capitalists must entrust their funds. Market exchange is merely a sham.”
Ludwig von Mises (historian / economist) - See more at: http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/naz ... 2Oi8f.dpuf

[Imperializt Russia]

The second one does nothing to prove the Nazis were Socialist. Have you ever heard of a Socialist who privatises state-owned corporations?

I have not seen, but that is conditional; if the corporations are private, it does not mean that they are free in the market. In Nazi Germany corporations were not allowed to operate freely, but restricted on every move by ministry of economy.

Let me quote somebody:

"“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Adolf Hitler - See more at: http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/naz ... 2Oi8f.dpuf

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The Nazis privatised many formerly state-owned enterprises.

They were heavy supporters of capitalism, despite what their propaganda said (which you seem to have a keen interest in).

So your view is that the poster does not reflect the National Socialists' beliefs and that they lied to their supporters about their opposition to capitalism and belief in socialism?

The origins of National Socialism were very much anti-capitalist in conjunction with its anti-Semitism. Goebbels remained a hardline socialist, for instance. But by the time Hitler rose to power, much of that message was thrown away.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

[Dyakovo]

Sheriff Joe is sending armed volunteers to guard black churches.

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

Assuming it's even true. A vast majority of what Greedles says is false.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

EDIT:

The first one is obviously a fake. If it were truly Soviet it would say 'CCCP' (Союз Советских Социалистических Республик). Instead it has 'PCCP' written on it, which proves it has nothing to do with the Soviet Union. I'm not sure if you were trying to mislead me, as it is obviously fake.

CPSU > SR > RSDRP > RSFSR (name of the Russian council of ministers within the USSR itself until 1974)

PC*CP is the crylic form of RSFSR

Replace R's with P's, F with a *.

So yeah, nothing to do with Russia after your were born.
-But had literally everything to do with soviet Russia when I was born.

Lrn to soviet history before trying to teach it. You'll instantly offend 15 billion less people with access to thermonuclear weapons.

[Greed and Death]

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

Assuming it's even true. A vast majority of what Greedles says is false.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /28996519/

Also keep in mind many time I make up stuff and it becomes true like when the Crimea was invaded.

[Blakk Metal]

Doesn't make him any less evil and racist.

Assuming it's even true. A vast majority of what Greedles says is false.

I put up a link earlier. It's true.

[Saiwania]

That's fascinating. It precisely mirrors the common belief among Muslims that terrorist attacks committed by Islamic extremists in the West are false flag operations on the part of Jews, Israel, the US, the UK, etc.

I occasionally like to keep tabs on Stormfront to see how they'll react to certain events and a lot of what their users say is a load of crap. The tone there is so much more rude and hostile than what would ever be allowed here. But it is a fact that plenty of Muslims and White supremacists do illegal things. So it isn't hard for me to believe that Dylann Roof did shoot up a Black church.

Stormfront needs to own up to the fact that radicals gravitate towards them. I don't believe this ZOG members keep referring to. I'm not sure what these people have against Jews because I'd much rather support Israel over Palestine. It is probably because they have a large neo-Nazi presence and they of course- can't get over the fact that the Holocaust has irreparably damaged the NSDAP brand which they want to revive or emulate. I can't become apart of that website in good conscious seeing the amount of vitriol and disunity there. I'm simply not ideologically pure enough for them.

[HMS Vanguard]

So your view is that the poster does not reflect the National Socialists' beliefs and that they lied to their supporters about their opposition to capitalism and belief in socialism?

The origins of National Socialism were very much anti-capitalist in conjunction with its anti-Semitism. Goebbels remained a hardline socialist, for instance. But by the time Hitler rose to power, much of that message was thrown away.

The Nazis did exactly what they said they would do: establish a regimented economy on the basis of nationalised industries on the one hand, and "class collaborationist" business cartels obeying instructions from the ministries on the other. Imperializt Russia, in his drive-by manner, thinks that this is "absolutely not socialist and entirely capitalist", but this is a purely semantic attack. It's exactly what the Nazis said they would do in their manifestos, and therefore how they justified their claim to be an anti-capitalist party.

[Risottia]

"...the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terrorism."
- Karl Marx, "The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 7 November 1848.

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."
- Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels "Suppression of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung", Neue Rheinische Zeitung, May 19, 1849

Somebody here is deliberately equating "terrorism" as used in the 19th century, that is, a reference to la Terreur, a period of intestine fight between the various factions of the French Revolution leading to summary executions granted by "special tribunals", and "terrorism" as used in the 20th and 21st centuries.
False equivalence.