9 Dead in SC Church Shooting - Hate Crime Confirmed.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The public marginalization of explicit racists is working. No one of serious import WANTS to be known as a racist.

And this is bad, because? You can oppose immigration without being a racist. Example: "hey, let's not let anyone who doesn't have a degree from a decent university come to our country, until we fix up our economy!" Seriously, how does a racist contribute to society? Why shouldn't society marginalize those who contribute nothing and promote fighting based on something that people cannot control?

Where did Todeslager say it was bad?

[Shofercia]

And this is bad, because? You can oppose immigration without being a racist. Example: "hey, let's not let anyone who doesn't have a degree from a decent university come to our country, until we fix up our economy!" Seriously, how does a racist contribute to society? Why shouldn't society marginalize those who contribute nothing and promote fighting based on something that people cannot control?

Where did Todeslager say it was bad?

If he didn't imply it, my mistake. I think I clearly implied that it was a good thing.

[Saiwania]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world. Not all racists will gravitate towards violence, some of us just want to be left alone to ardently oppose fair housing or engage in White flight for example, so we can live in our respective racial majority neighborhoods unhindered.

I know as well as anyone that it is nobody's fault what race they're born into, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned about my race's demographics, status, etc. At the end of the day, I relish my skin color, so I primarily like to associate with my own kind. If I were Black in another life, chances are I'd be a Black Panther or apart of a similar group if I had the same outlook on life.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world. Not all racists will gravitate towards violence, some of us just want to be left alone to ardently oppose fair housing or engage in White flight for example, so we can live in our respective racial majority neighborhoods unhindered.

I know as well as anyone that it is nobody's fault what race they're born into, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned about my race's demographics, status, etc. At the end of the day, I relish my skin color, so I primarily like to associate with my own kind. If I were Black in another life, chances are I'd be a Black Panther or apart of a similar group if I had the same outlook on life.

After far too long dealing with you, I can only say the following to this, and to all other further communications from you, especialy as regards issues involving race:

What.

Fucking.

Ever.

[Mahameghavahana]

We need stricter gun laws. If this country is going to allow so many civil and political freedoms, it needs to clamp down on economic freedoms like what shops can sell and what not.

The irony is, South Carolina is one of the few states WITH gun laws, and that too very strict. I don't think we should make this an issue about guns. I'm no conservative, but personally, I don't think banning guns will solve crime here. I heard somewhere that SC has a provision against allowing churches to carry guns, so if anything it might have been LESS gun laws that would've prevented this. Don't take my word for these sources. And regardless, this was a heinous crime. My prayers go to the families who have lost members to the shooting, as well as to those who were shot.

[Todeslager]

I think it's time for us, as a society, to stamp out racial hatred. We have to realize that some viewpoints are dangerous and should not be treated equally. We cannot treat racist views as valid opinions - we can't give platforms to these opinions, nor tolerate them. Along with education - educating people on anti-racist viewpoints and tolerance - we can't sit idly by as racial hatred is disseminated in society. Just as most people don't think that incitement to violence should not be tolerate, we should not tolerate incitement to hatred. This means not tolerating a symbol of racial hatred like the Confederate flag - especially not tolerating it when it flies on public property. We cannot allow racism to be normalized, and I think that requires a response from both society and the government, along with other institutions.

As far as I'm aware, the Confederate battle flag is only flown with public funding in historical military battlefield museums and parks, and on war memorial monuments, and in that context, and is not in and of itself an official endorsement of racial hatred anymore than the public funding of flying the American flag is an endorsement of mass rapes conducted by Union troops under General Butler upon female civilians when New Orleans was captured.

That certain racist asshole groups have adopted the Confederate battle flag as a symbol is no more or less offensive than when they march with the American flag. Removing the Confederate flag from public historical monuments seems to me more like desecrating a tombstone than actually stamping out racism.

NS bans on swastikas aside, the Nazis weren't evil because they flew a certain flag. We have to remember history so we can fail to repeat it, and I just don't see how removing a historical flag from sites dedicated to remembering rather than denying a repulsive part of American history will stop racists from continuing to be racists under the same banner or any other.

[Tsaraine]

I think it's time for us, as a society, to stamp out racial hatred. We have to realize that some viewpoints are dangerous and should not be treated equally. We cannot treat racist views as valid opinions - we can't give platforms to these opinions, nor tolerate them. Along with education - educating people on anti-racist viewpoints and tolerance - we can't sit idly by as racial hatred is disseminated in society. Just as most people don't think that incitement to violence should not be tolerate, we should not tolerate incitement to hatred. This means not tolerating a symbol of racial hatred like the Confederate flag - especially not tolerating it when it flies on public property. We cannot allow racism to be normalized, and I think that requires a response from both society and the government, along with other institutions.

As far as I'm aware, the Confederate battle flag is only flown with public funding in historical military battlefield museums and parks, and on war memorial monuments, and in that context, and is not in and of itself an official endorsement of racial hatred anymore than the public funding of flying the American flag is an endorsement of mass rapes conducted by Union troops under General Butler upon female civilians when New Orleans was captured.

That certain racist asshole groups have adopted the Confederate battle flag as a symbol is no more or less offensive than when they march with the American flag. Removing the Confederate flag from public historical monuments seems to me more like desecrating a tombstone than actually stamping out racism.

NS bans on swastikas aside, the Nazis weren't evil because they flew a certain flag. We have to remember history so we can fail to repeat it, and I just don't see how removing a historical flag from sites dedicated to remembering rather than denying a repulsive part of American history will stop racists from continuing to be racists under the same banner or any other.

You're incorrect about where the Confederate flag is flown, I'm afraid: it's at the South Carolina capitol. And while the American flag has been lowered to half-mast in recognition of the recent killing, the Confederate flag hasn't - because SC has passed a law making it illegal to without a supermajority.

[Todeslager]

And this is bad, because? You can oppose immigration without being a racist. Example: "hey, let's not let anyone who doesn't have a degree from a decent university come to our country, until we fix up our economy!" Seriously, how does a racist contribute to society? Why shouldn't society marginalize those who contribute nothing and promote fighting based on something that people cannot control?

Where did Todeslager say it was bad?

I didn't. The essential opposite is what I said... Marginalizing racists until they all become toothless denizens of duct taped trailer parks and dying of heart disease and meth overdoses and self-inflicted perpetual unemployment is the way to go... And it is working.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I think it's time for us, as a society, to stamp out racial hatred. We have to realize that some viewpoints are dangerous and should not be treated equally. We cannot treat racist views as valid opinions - we can't give platforms to these opinions, nor tolerate them. Along with education - educating people on anti-racist viewpoints and tolerance - we can't sit idly by as racial hatred is disseminated in society. Just as most people don't think that incitement to violence should not be tolerate, we should not tolerate incitement to hatred. This means not tolerating a symbol of racial hatred like the Confederate flag - especially not tolerating it when it flies on public property. We cannot allow racism to be normalized, and I think that requires a response from both society and the government, along with other institutions.

As far as I'm aware, the Confederate battle flag is only flown with public funding in historical military battlefield museums and parks, and on war memorial monuments,

It's currently being flown over the South Carolina Capitol, and not at half-mast, either. I don't know if it's with public funding or not, but the placement sure as heck gives it a seal of official approval.

and in that context, and is not in and of itself an official endorsement of racial hatred anymore than the public funding of flying the American flag is an endorsement of mass rapes conducted by Union troops under General Butler upon female civilians when New Orleans was captured.

Right. Except that the American flag, whatever history it may have, originated as the symbol of a people who wished to be free of what they saw as foreign tyranny, of taxation without representation. There are a number of arguments that could be made about that, but one thing is clear: it was not about slavery, despite the fact that many in the Americas were slaveholders. The right to own and traffic in human beings was not threatened at the time by British rule. The Civil War, however, was based upon the desire of an aristocratic segment of Southern society to continue to have the legal right to own, enslave, work, beat, flog, rape, maim, and often kill their fellow human beings, and they were perfectly willing to commit treason and kill their countrymen, sometimes their own flesh and blood, for this right.

You may disagree, as is your right. If you want to argue the point, then start a thread, and I will wearily participate. However, know that you're going to have to bring something startlingly original (and well-sourced) to the party, since this isn't my first rodeo.

That certain racist asshole groups have adopted the Confederate battle flag as a symbol is no more or less offensive than when they march with the American flag. Removing the Confederate flag from public historical monuments seems to me more like desecrating a tombstone than actually stamping out racism.

It's more like the removal of a symbol of the worst that the South ever had to offer, leaving them room to invent something that symbolizes everything positive that the region provides to the world.

NS bans on swastikas aside, the Nazis weren't evil because they flew a certain flag. We have to remember history so we can fail to repeat it, and I just don't see how removing a historical flag from sites dedicated to remembering rather than denying a repulsive part of American history will stop racists from continuing to be racists under the same banner or any other.

The point isn't to stop racists from being racists. To paraphrase Jesus, the fucking stupid assholes will be with you always. The point is to not give the fucking stupid assholes an official imprateur.

[Todeslager]

As far as I'm aware, the Confederate battle flag is only flown with public funding in historical military battlefield museums and parks, and on war memorial monuments, and in that context, and is not in and of itself an official endorsement of racial hatred anymore than the public funding of flying the American flag is an endorsement of mass rapes conducted by Union troops under General Butler upon female civilians when New Orleans was captured.

That certain racist asshole groups have adopted the Confederate battle flag as a symbol is no more or less offensive than when they march with the American flag. Removing the Confederate flag from public historical monuments seems to me more like desecrating a tombstone than actually stamping out racism.

NS bans on swastikas aside, the Nazis weren't evil because they flew a certain flag. We have to remember history so we can fail to repeat it, and I just don't see how removing a historical flag from sites dedicated to remembering rather than denying a repulsive part of American history will stop racists from continuing to be racists under the same banner or any other.

You're incorrect about where the Confederate flag is flown, I'm afraid: it's at the South Carolina capitol. And while the American flag has been lowered to half-mast in recognition of the recent killing, the Confederate flag hasn't - because SC has passed a law making it illegal to without a supermajority.

Read my post and your linked article again. The Confederate battle flag is flying at a war memorial, in a historical / educational context. Not offensive.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're incorrect about where the Confederate flag is flown, I'm afraid: it's at the South Carolina capitol. And while the American flag has been lowered to half-mast in recognition of the recent killing, the Confederate flag hasn't - because SC has passed a law making it illegal to without a supermajority.

Read my post and your linked article again. The Confederate battle flag is flying at a war memorial, in a historical / educational context. Not offensive.

So it's okay to fly the flags that symbolize the cause of treasonous slavers so long as it's to honor their sacrificies in traitorous battle against their countrymen. Got it.

[Mavorpen]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world. Not all racists will gravitate towards violence, some of us just want to be left alone to ardently oppose fair housing or engage in White flight for example, so we can live in our respective racial majority neighborhoods unhindered.

I know as well as anyone that it is nobody's fault what race they're born into, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned about my race's demographics, status, etc. At the end of the day, I relish my skin color, so I primarily like to associate with my own kind. If I were Black in another life, chances are I'd be a Black Panther or apart of a similar group if I had the same outlook on life.

After far too long dealing with you, I can only say the following to this, and to all other further communications from you, especialy as regards issues involving race:

What.

Fucking.

Ever.

What took you so long? It's long sunk in for me that his sole purpose is to garner attention for his personal beliefs, to the point where he'll shove it into any topic no matter how unrelated. He's not really here to discuss or debate. He's here to hear himself talk, so to speak.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Stormfront's view on this, is of course- that this is a false flag operation meant to further discredit and persecute them by the Zionists who secretly control the world. Not all racists will gravitate towards violence, some of us just want to be left alone to ardently oppose fair housing or engage in White flight for example, so we can live in our respective racial majority neighborhoods unhindered.

I know as well as anyone that it is nobody's fault what race they're born into, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned about my race's demographics, status, etc. At the end of the day, I relish my skin color, so I primarily like to associate with my own kind. If I were Black in another life, chances are I'd be a Black Panther or apart of a similar group if I had the same outlook on life.

Of course you would know what Stormfront thinks.

[Todeslager]

As far as I'm aware, the Confederate battle flag is only flown with public funding in historical military battlefield museums and parks, and on war memorial monuments,

It's currently being flown over the South Carolina Capitol, and not at half-mast, either. I don't know if it's with public funding or not, but the placement sure as heck gives it a seal of official approval.

You are mistaken. It is flying over a war memorial next to the SC state Capitol building, and is no more an official seal of approval of racism than the golden arches down the block in the same Capitol is an official endorsement of eating Chicken McNuggets.

and in that context, and is not in and of itself an official endorsement of racial hatred anymore than the public funding of flying the American flag is an endorsement of mass rapes conducted by Union troops under General Butler upon female civilians when New Orleans was captured.

Right. Except that the American flag, whatever history it may have, originated as the symbol of a people who wished to be free of what they saw as foreign tyranny, of taxation without representation. There are a number of arguments that could be made about that, but one thing is clear: it was not about slavery, despite the fact that many in the Americas were slaveholders. The right to own and traffic in human beings was not threatened at the time by British rule. The Civil War, however, was based upon the desire of an aristocratic segment of Southern society to continue to have the legal right to own, enslave, work, beat, flog, rape, maim, and often kill their fellow human beings, and they were perfectly willing to commit treason and kill their countrymen, sometimes their own flesh and blood, for this right.

You may disagree, as is your right. If you want to argue the point, then start a thread, and I will wearily participate. However, know that you're going to have to bring something startlingly original (and well-sourced) to the party, since this isn't my first rodeo.

Save your hot air for a cold day. The flag you want removed IS FLYING ATOP A MUSEUM, in a historical context.

That certain racist asshole groups have adopted the Confederate battle flag as a symbol is no more or less offensive than when they march with the American flag. Removing the Confederate flag from public historical monuments seems to me more like desecrating a tombstone than actually stamping out racism.

It's more like the removal of a symbol of the worst that the South ever had to offer, leaving them room to invent something that symbolizes everything positive that the region provides to the world.

Or, just revising history.

NS bans on swastikas aside, the Nazis weren't evil because they flew a certain flag. We have to remember history so we can fail to repeat it, and I just don't see how removing a historical flag from sites dedicated to remembering rather than denying a repulsive part of American history will stop racists from continuing to be racists under the same banner or any other.

The point isn't to stop racists from being racists. To paraphrase Jesus, the fucking stupid assholes will be with you always. The point is to not give the fucking stupid assholes an official imprateur.

But it doesn't.

[Saiwania]

What took you so long? It's long sunk in for me that his sole purpose is to garner attention for his personal beliefs, to the point where he'll shove it into any topic no matter how unrelated. He's not really here to discuss or debate. He's here to hear himself talk, so to speak.

What I posted is on topic. I see people in here trying to stigmatize all racists as potential criminals. Its a spectrum that goes from mild to severe. This gunman simply took White supremacism too far and hurt the movement in the long term when it is already in a state of mere survival and disarray from the simple fact that there are fewer Whites and all the non-White ethnicities are growing to a larger share of the total gene pool. For racists to function nowadays, we pretty much have to practice what we preach covertly. If no one is going to care about their own racial groups, someone has to- and that is the role that racists play. Under normal circumstances, people generally wouldn't be bothered by racism, except in places which are too mixed to have any clear majority group.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

After far too long dealing with you, I can only say the following to this, and to all other further communications from you, especialy as regards issues involving race:

What.

Fucking.

Ever.

What took you so long? It's long sunk in for me that his sole purpose is to garner attention for his personal beliefs, to the point where he'll shove it into any topic no matter how unrelated. He's not really here to discuss or debate. He's here to hear himself talk, so to speak.

Such a sound. Anyone to hear it has more patience than most.

[Todeslager]

Read my post and your linked article again. The Confederate battle flag is flying at a war memorial, in a historical / educational context. Not offensive.

So it's okay to fly the flags that symbolize the cause of treasonous slavers so long as it's to honor their sacrificies in traitorous battle against their countrymen. Got it.

Apparently it is okay. It's still there. Now, you might have a point if the war memorial were flying the national flag of the CSA rather than the flag of its military on a monument...

[El Cuscatlan]

Yeah. A bunch of assassinations against leaders is comparable to the Holocaust.

And a thousand nationalists were killed. You think that is comparable to 11 million deaths.

I am pretty sure that 2nd link is not assassination upon leader. Besides you have problems with mathematics, no offence to you:

100 000 000 > 6 000 000.

Not to mention that Hitler himself was as socialist as USSR. He fulfils as many of the ten planks as Stalin did.

Not to mention that swastika was originally socialist symbol:

.... Soviets using nazi symbol....

... and Nazis using communist symbol!

[Mavorpen]

What took you so long? It's long sunk in for me that his sole purpose is to garner attention for his personal beliefs, to the point where he'll shove it into any topic no matter how unrelated. He's not really here to discuss or debate. He's here to hear himself talk, so to speak.

Such a sound. Anyone to hear it has more patience than most.

I was amused by it for a bit, but quickly grew tired. Basically how I feel about babies.

Also, that awkward moment when you think a post you read is your own because the poster has a flag you used to have.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Such a sound. Anyone to hear it has more patience than most.

I was amused by it for a bit, but quickly grew tired. Basically how I feel about babies.

Also, that awkward moment when you think a post you read is your own because the poster has a flag you used to have.

The flag confused me too.

[Steamtopia]

What took you so long? It's long sunk in for me that his sole purpose is to garner attention for his personal beliefs, to the point where he'll shove it into any topic no matter how unrelated. He's not really here to discuss or debate. He's here to hear himself talk, so to speak.

What I posted is on topic. I see people in here trying to stigmatize all racists as potential criminals. Its a spectrum that goes from mild to severe. This gunman simply took White supremacism too far and hurt the movement in the long term when it is already in a state of mere survival and disarray from the simple fact that there are fewer Whites and all the non-White ethnicities are growing to a larger share of the total gene pool. For racists to function nowadays, we pretty much have to practice what we preach covertly. If no one is going to care about their own racial groups, someone has to- and that is the role that racists play. Under normal circumstances, people generally wouldn't be bothered by racism, except in places which are too mixed to have any clear majority group.

He didn't hurt the movement. The movement hurts itself by simply existing.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Such a sound. Anyone to hear it has more patience than most.

I was amused by it for a bit, but quickly grew tired. Basically how I feel about babies.

Also, that awkward moment when you think a post you read is your own because the poster has a flag you used to have.

The surprise in that is stunning

Heh heh heh. I am Mavorpen now.

Not.

[Mavorpen]

I was amused by it for a bit, but quickly grew tired. Basically how I feel about babies.

Also, that awkward moment when you think a post you read is your own because the poster has a flag you used to have.

The surprise in that is stunning

Heh heh heh. I am Mavorpen now.

Not.

I always knew you were me from the past.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

The surprise in that is stunning

Heh heh heh. I am Mavorpen now.

Not.

I always knew you were me from the past.

The Past and the Present. Together, they make the future Mavorpen.

[Todeslager]

What took you so long? It's long sunk in for me that his sole purpose is to garner attention for his personal beliefs, to the point where he'll shove it into any topic no matter how unrelated. He's not really here to discuss or debate. He's here to hear himself talk, so to speak.

What I posted is on topic. I see people in here trying to stigmatize all racists as potential criminals. Its a spectrum that goes from mild to severe. This gunman simply took White supremacism too far and hurt the movement in the long term when it is already in a state of mere survival and disarray from the simple fact that there are fewer Whites and all the non-White ethnicities are growing to a larger share of the total gene pool. For racists to function nowadays, we pretty much have to practice what we preach covertly. If no one is going to care about their own racial groups, someone has to- and that is the role that racists play. Under normal circumstances, people generally wouldn't be bothered by racism, except in places which are too mixed to have any clear majority group.

Speaking as a Tsalagi descendant (that's "Cherokee" to you, whitey) maybe "South Carolina" was better off before the superior folk came around to escape the oppression of their fellow superior folk.