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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:13 pm

Bigotry at it's finest. Wonderful world we live in.

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Postby Quirina » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:13 pm

Ardoki wrote:-snip-

You never broke a single thing on them. You're just denying how each quotes were meant. You intentionally misinterpreted it for your defense.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM is still SOCIALISM. I mean, the words alone prove it.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:14 pm

Quirina wrote:
Ardoki wrote:-snip-

You never broke a single thing on them. You're just denying how each quotes were meant. You intentionally misinterpreted it for your defense.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM is still SOCIALISM. I mean, the words alone prove it.

The Democratic Peoples Republic of [North] Korea would like to disagree with you.
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Postby Todeslager » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:14 pm

Tsaraine wrote:My Twitter feed is full of people complaining about racially biased reporting in the media about this case, apparently the American news media isn't condemning this terrorist to the same degree that they do black kids shot by police. Which is probably true but grows tiresome after hearing it the third time, and utterly wearying by the fifteenth.

Anyway one of the things the Twits are doing is sharing pictures of Dylan Roof posing shirtless with a gun and burning an American flag in order to paint him as a "thug" to point out the discrepancy in how the media portrays killers based on race. But I have to say, Roof doesn't look like a thug. He looks like an ITG trying - and utterly failing - to look tough. That bowl cut is just the shameful cherry on top of a stupid cake.

Dylan Roof isn't thuggish. He's just pathetic.

He's also unabashedly a terrorist, a murderer, and guilty of hate crimes, and I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. One doesn't have to be a "thug" to be an evil little shit.


One of the more disturbing contrasts I've seen a photo of John Lee Malvo wearing ballistic armor and handcuffed as cops lead him to arraignment proceedings juxtaposed with a photo of Dylann Storm Roof wearing ballistic armor and NOT HANDCUFFED as cops lead him to arraignment proceedings.

I'm not sure why Roof wasn't handcuffed, but the image in that context is powerfully evocative.
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Postby Ardoki » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:14 pm

You are still on my ignore list, so I can't see your posts Quirinia.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:So is the Confederate flag drama worthy of its own thread? Because I'm seeing a lot of articles about people burning them all of qa sudden.


That flag deserves to be burned. I am a secessionist and I still think so.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:15 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:So, stoop to his level, let him rest in peace, and make him a martyr. Fantastic.


Making him a "martyr" won't really elevate him because he's already done the act. Killing him means that we won't have to waste money on another guy in our prison system, it will provide closure knowing that he's no longer out there, and no matter what way you deliver it, death is not something fun to experience.

Life imprisonment will ensure he has no access to the public and would cost less than the death penalty. And death isn't anything to experience. There is no experience. Death is the end of experience. I doubt lethal injection is a hellish way to go, either.
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Postby Quirina » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:15 pm

Camicon wrote:
Quirina wrote:You never broke a single thing on them. You're just denying how each quotes were meant. You intentionally misinterpreted it for your defense.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM is still SOCIALISM. I mean, the words alone prove it.

The Democratic Peoples Republic of [North] Korea would like to disagree with you.

I'll have Cuscatlan, who is more knowledgeable about the similarity and affiliation of NAZIS on the Left, tell you his story. I'm excited on seeing Ardoki cornered again.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:17 pm

Quirina wrote:NATIONAL SOCIALISM is still SOCIALISM. I mean, the words alone prove it.

I'm a neoconservative capitalist, Quirina.

Yeah, I don't support any capitalist tenets, hierarchy in general, conservatism, or a State at all, but I just said those words, so I'm a neocon capitalist, right? The Soviet Union was communist too, huh?
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Postby Camicon » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:17 pm

Quirina wrote:
Camicon wrote:The Democratic Peoples Republic of [North] Korea would like to disagree with you.

I'll have Cuscatlan, who is more knowledgeable about the similarity and affiliation of NAZIS on the Left, tell you his story. I'm excited on seeing Ardoki cornered again.

My point being that the name of a thing does not necessarily present an accurate summary of what that thing is. In case you missed it.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:17 pm

Quirina wrote:
Ardoki wrote:-snip-

You never broke a single thing on them. You're just denying how each quotes were meant. You intentionally misinterpreted it for your defense.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM is still SOCIALISM. I mean, the words alone prove it.


And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic. I mean, the words alone prove it.

More importantly, this is not the thread for explaining how national socialism isn't socialism.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:17 pm

Quirina wrote:
Ardoki wrote:-snip-

You never broke a single thing on them. You're just denying how each quotes were meant. You intentionally misinterpreted it for your defense.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM is still SOCIALISM. I mean, the words alone prove it.


Threadjack is Threadjack, Qui...




But if killing this white supremacist murder supposedly stoop America and/or the state of South Carolina to his level, how will continuously feeding him and housing him not?
How is going soft on terrorism, extremism, murder, racism any better than killing him and being done with it?


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Postby Quirina » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:17 pm

Ardoki wrote:You are still on my ignore list, so I can't see your posts Quirinia.

You really can't say that. You can ignore my posts, and can still see it if you wish. Thus, reacting to me..
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:18 pm

Quirina wrote:
Camicon wrote:The Democratic Peoples Republic of [North] Korea would like to disagree with you.

I'll have Cuscatlan, who is more knowledgeable about the similarity and affiliation of NAZIS on the Left, tell you his story. I'm excited on seeing Ardoki cornered again.

So North Korea is a Democratic Republic run by the people? Because I'm not sure how this post addresses Cam's.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:18 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Riysa wrote:
Making him a "martyr" won't really elevate him because he's already done the act. Killing him means that we won't have to waste money on another guy in our prison system, it will provide closure knowing that he's no longer out there, and no matter what way you deliver it, death is not something fun to experience.

Life imprisonment will ensure he has no access to the public and would cost less than the death penalty. And death isn't anything to experience. There is no experience. Death is the end of experience. I doubt lethal injection is a hellish way to go, either.

Depends on whether or not they fuck up the drug cocktail. If it comes to that for Roof, I think the executioner might do that on purpose.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:18 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:But if killing this white supremacist murder supposedly stoop America and/or the state of South Carolina to his level, how will continuously feeding him and housing him not?
How is going soft on terrorism, extremism, murder, racism any better than killing him and being done with it?

How is the end of consciousness worse than spending the rest of your life alone and imprisoned?

Killing him is stooping to his level because he killed people. He didn't feed and house them.
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Postby Utrinque Paratus » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:18 pm

This is a black methodist church


Kinda segregating themselves.
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Postby Ardoki » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:19 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Riysa wrote:
Making him a "martyr" won't really elevate him because he's already done the act. Killing him means that we won't have to waste money on another guy in our prison system, it will provide closure knowing that he's no longer out there, and no matter what way you deliver it, death is not something fun to experience.

Life imprisonment will ensure he has no access to the public and would cost less than the death penalty. And death isn't anything to experience. There is no experience. Death is the end of experience. I doubt lethal injection is a hellish way to go, either.

Life imprisonment would make you go insane, it is a horrible experience.

Death is not really bad, it is relief from suffering. Being dead is not a negative experience, it is just nothing.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:19 pm

Camicon wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Life imprisonment will ensure he has no access to the public and would cost less than the death penalty. And death isn't anything to experience. There is no experience. Death is the end of experience. I doubt lethal injection is a hellish way to go, either.

Depends on whether or not they fuck up the drug cocktail. If it comes to that for Roof, I think the executioner might do that on purpose.

If he does get the death penalty, I hope it's a black man that does the deed.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:20 pm

Utrinque Paratus wrote:
This is a black methodist church


Kinda segregating themselves.

What the holy fuck does this have to do with anything? You act like racial relations in South Carolina are the blacks' fault.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:20 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Camicon wrote:Because people have a right to reasonably express their views, and don't deserve to be locked up just because those views happen to be extraordinarily shitty.

So you support the Holocaust then?

The Nazis were racist, they killed many millions of innocent civilians.


The Nazis also committed a number of violent crimes before coming to power, which they could have easily been locked up for without making racism a crime. Hitler was involved in the Beer Hall Putsch and actually did go to prison -- but he should have had a much longer sentence considering the seriousness of the crime.
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Postby Riysa » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:20 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Riysa wrote:
Making him a "martyr" won't really elevate him because he's already done the act. Killing him means that we won't have to waste money on another guy in our prison system, it will provide closure knowing that he's no longer out there, and no matter what way you deliver it, death is not something fun to experience.

Life imprisonment will ensure he has no access to the public and would cost less than the death penalty. And death isn't anything to experience. There is no experience. Death is the end of experience. I doubt lethal injection is a hellish way to go, either.
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Riysa wrote:
Making him a "martyr" won't really elevate him because he's already done the act. Killing him means that we won't have to waste money on another guy in our prison system, it will provide closure knowing that he's no longer out there, and no matter what way you deliver it, death is not something fun to experience.

The death penalty is more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.


Last I checked, sodium thiopental wasn't delivered in platinum capsules. Care to source these claims?

Life imprisonment is no guarantee, and he's still using up space.

Lethal injection kills by suffocating the person to death. There's still going to be some reception of pain, and it isn't quick like a bullet to the head, either.

What would keeping him alive accomplish? If he's not going to be doing anything other than sitting in a jail cell all day, then he might as well be dead - at least he isn't draining money from the government in the latter.

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Postby Ardoki » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:21 pm

Quirina wrote:
Ardoki wrote:You are still on my ignore list, so I can't see your posts Quirinia.

You really can't say that. You can ignore my posts, and can still see it if you wish. Thus, reacting to me..

I gave you a third chance, however you continued your negative behaviour.

So I'm ignoring your hateful posts.

P.S. You once admitted that you were a nazi.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:21 pm

Utrinque Paratus wrote:
This is a black methodist church


Kinda segregating themselves.

Because voluntarily going to a place where they don't have people sneering at them or assuming terrible things about them, simply because of the colour of their skin, is equivalent to being forcibly segregated and being assigned a sub-human status by the country they live in.

Right.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:21 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Life imprisonment will ensure he has no access to the public and would cost less than the death penalty. And death isn't anything to experience. There is no experience. Death is the end of experience. I doubt lethal injection is a hellish way to go, either.

Life imprisonment would make you go insane, it is a horrible experience.

Death is not really bad, it is relief from suffering. Being dead is not a negative experience, it is just nothing.


This guy wouldn't have very far to go.

I agree with you: let him live and let him suffer. Help him suffer as necessary.
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