9 Dead in SC Church Shooting - Hate Crime Confirmed.

[Todeslager]

Or the Council of Conservative Citizens, a group who Roof attributed part of his "racial awareness" and whose website is conveniently down at the moment?

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Then you implicitly admit that both racism and racists exist despite the word being misused at times.

How? Should I have used scare quotes?

You have a problem with the way the word "racist" is misused at times. This does not negate the existence of actual racists, nor does it negate the times actual racists are correctly identified as such.

Are you positive you're not sure the Nazis were racist? Really?

[Camicon]

We do we let racist people exist out of prison?

Because people have a right to reasonably express their views, and don't deserve to be locked up just because those views happen to be extraordinarily shitty.

[Ardoki]

We do we let racist people exist out of prison?

Because people have a right to reasonably express their views, and don't deserve to be locked up just because those views happen to be extraordinarily shitty.

So you support the Holocaust then?

The Nazis were racist, they killed many millions of innocent civilians.

[Bontavation]

The possibility of the word "racism" being situationally misused / misapplied

How is it misuse when said misuse is the norm? I can give many more examples.

Plenty of words are misused.

People write, "there" instead of "they're". That doesn't mean that "there" isn't a real word.

[Camicon]

Because people have a right to reasonably express their views, and don't deserve to be locked up just because those views happen to be extraordinarily shitty.

So you support the Holocaust then?

The Nazis were racist, they killed many millions of innocent civilians.

Whoa, fuck man, how did you get from "reasonably express" to "GOOOOOOOOOO HOLOCAUST!". Jesus Fucking Christ, do you have any idea how completely fucking unacceptable that is?

[Mavorpen]

How is it misuse when said misuse is the norm? I can give many more examples.

Plenty of words are misused.

People write, "there" instead of "they're". That doesn't mean that "there" isn't a real word.

Similarly, he's misusing the word "norm." "Norm" does not mean "a few examples I can cherry pick out of the innumerable amount of times the word has been said."

Doesn't mean that the word doesn't have an actual meaning.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So you support the Holocaust then?

The Nazis were racist, they killed many millions of innocent civilians.

Whoa, fuck man, how did you get from "reasonably express" to "GOOOOOOOOOO HOLOCAUST!". Jesus Fucking Christ, do you have any idea how completely fucking unacceptable that is?

Ardoki does that, just one of those things you have to accept on ye olde Internet.

[Ardoki]

So you support the Holocaust then?

The Nazis were racist, they killed many millions of innocent civilians.

Whoa, fuck man, how did you get from "reasonably express" to "GOOOOOOOOOO HOLOCAUST!". Jesus Fucking Christ, do you have any idea how completely fucking unacceptable that is?

Racism was responsible for the holocaust.

Therefore racism must not be allowed to exist, lest another racist crime against humanity could occur.

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

[Tsaraine]

My Twitter feed is full of people complaining about racially biased reporting in the media about this case, apparently the American news media isn't condemning this terrorist to the same degree that they do black kids shot by police. Which is probably true but grows tiresome after hearing it the third time, and utterly wearying by the fifteenth.

Anyway one of the things the Twits are doing is sharing pictures of Dylan Roof posing shirtless with a gun and burning an American flag in order to paint him as a "thug" to point out the discrepancy in how the media portrays killers based on race. But I have to say, Roof doesn't look like a thug. He looks like an ITG trying - and utterly failing - to look tough. That bowl cut is just the shameful cherry on top of a stupid cake.

Dylan Roof isn't thuggish. He's just pathetic.

He's also unabashedly a terrorist, a murderer, and guilty of hate crimes, and I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. One doesn't have to be a "thug" to be an evil little shit.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

I am going to remind you that there is a reason I have sigged the link to a post of yours where you advocate "any who oppose" the sort of state you believe in should be killed...

[Big Jim P]

My Twitter feed is full of people complaining about racially biased reporting in the media about this case, apparently the American news media isn't condemning this terrorist to the same degree that they do black kids shot by police. Which is probably true but grows tiresome after hearing it the third time, and utterly wearying by the fifteenth.

Anyway one of the things the Twits are doing is sharing pictures of Dylan Roof posing shirtless with a gun and burning an American flag in order to paint him as a "thug" to point out the discrepancy in how the media portrays killers based on race. But I have to say, Roof doesn't look like a thug. He looks like an ITG trying - and utterly failing - to look tough. That bowl cut is just the shameful cherry on top of a stupid cake.

Dylan Roof isn't thuggish. He's just pathetic.

He's also unabashedly a terrorist, a murderer, and guilty of hate crimes, and I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. One doesn't have to be a "thug" to be an evil little shit.

QFFT!

[Mavorpen]

My Twitter feed is full of people complaining about racially biased reporting in the media about this case, apparently the American news media isn't condemning this terrorist to the same degree that they do black kids shot by police. Which is probably true but grows tiresome after hearing it the third time, and utterly wearying by the fifteenth.

Anyway one of the things the Twits are doing is sharing pictures of Dylan Roof posing shirtless with a gun and burning an American flag in order to paint him as a "thug" to point out the discrepancy in how the media portrays killers based on race. But I have to say, Roof doesn't look like a thug. He looks like an ITG trying - and utterly failing - to look tough. That bowl cut is just the shameful cherry on top of a stupid cake.

Dylan Roof isn't thuggish. He's just pathetic.

He's also unabashedly a terrorist, a murderer, and guilty of hate crimes, and I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. One doesn't have to be a "thug" to be an evil little shit.

Your first mistake was using Twitter.

[Camicon]

Whoa, fuck man, how did you get from "reasonably express" to "GOOOOOOOOOO HOLOCAUST!". Jesus Fucking Christ, do you have any idea how completely fucking unacceptable that is?

Racism was responsible for the holocaust.

Therefore racism must not be allowed to exist, lest another racist crime against humanity could occur.

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

Racism was a contributing factor towards how the people who perpetrated the Holocaust justified their actions. And it's present in the justification for a great many terrible things. Racism is bad, yeah.

That doesn't give you the right to preemptively incarcerate people who have racist views. Children with racist parents often develop racist views, simply because they don't know any better. But saying and believing something should not be crimes. Acting criminally on those beliefs, advocating that others do the same, should be a crime and is a crime in many developed nations. That doesn't mean we need Thought Police going around and throwing people into jail for things that they might do.

[Ardoki]

Racism was responsible for the holocaust.

Therefore racism must not be allowed to exist, lest another racist crime against humanity could occur.

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

Racism was a contributing factor towards how the people who perpetrated the Holocaust justified their actions. And it's present in the justification for a great many terrible things. Racism is bad, yeah.

That doesn't give you the right to preemptively incarcerate people who have racist views. Children with racist parents often develop racist views, simply because they don't know any better. But saying and believing something should not be crimes. Acting criminally on those beliefs, advocating that others do the same, should be a crime and is a crime in many developed nations. That doesn't mean we need Thought Police going around and throwing people into jail for things that they might do.

It would be a rehabilitation facility. Like a cross between a school and a hospital/psychiatric centre.

They would learn to be tolerant.

[Todeslager]

Whoa, fuck man, how did you get from "reasonably express" to "GOOOOOOOOOO HOLOCAUST!". Jesus Fucking Christ, do you have any idea how completely fucking unacceptable that is?

Racism was responsible for the holocaust.

Therefore racism must not be allowed to exist, lest another racist crime against humanity could occur.

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

The best way to end racism is to marginalize it in all ways, so that racists are reduced to making basic financial decisions, like forgoing toothpaste and Ramen noodles so they can afford to buy Nazi regalia and crystal meth.

[Ardoki]

Racism was responsible for the holocaust.

Therefore racism must not be allowed to exist, lest another racist crime against humanity could occur.

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

The best way to end racism is to marginalize it in all ways, so that racists are reduced to making basic financial decisions, like forgoing toothpaste and Ramen noodles so they can afford to buy Nazi regalia and crystal meth.

But that will not change their views.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Racism was a contributing factor towards how the people who perpetrated the Holocaust justified their actions. And it's present in the justification for a great many terrible things. Racism is bad, yeah.

That doesn't give you the right to preemptively incarcerate people who have racist views. Children with racist parents often develop racist views, simply because they don't know any better. But saying and believing something should not be crimes. Acting criminally on those beliefs, advocating that others do the same, should be a crime and is a crime in many developed nations. That doesn't mean we need Thought Police going around and throwing people into jail for things that they might do.

It would be a rehabilitation facility. Like a cross between a school and a hospital/psychiatric centre.

They would learn to be tolerant.

Your idea sounds fucking horrible.

[Camicon]

Racism was a contributing factor towards how the people who perpetrated the Holocaust justified their actions. And it's present in the justification for a great many terrible things. Racism is bad, yeah.

That doesn't give you the right to preemptively incarcerate people who have racist views. Children with racist parents often develop racist views, simply because they don't know any better. But saying and believing something should not be crimes. Acting criminally on those beliefs, advocating that others do the same, should be a crime and is a crime in many developed nations. That doesn't mean we need Thought Police going around and throwing people into jail for things that they might do.

It would be a rehabilitation facility. Like a cross between a school and a hospital/psychiatric centre.

They would learn to be tolerant.

We can marginalize racist beliefs in our society through the systems already in place. Our education systems, social media campaigns, public discourse, that sort of thing. We don't need to pick people up off the streets because they "don't like black people", and throw them into a psychiatric facility.

Complete eradication is impossible, as nice as it would be, and abandoning the principals upon which society is built in pursuit of that goal is complete and utter idiocy.

[Luminesa]

We do we let racist people exist out of prison?

Because people have a right to reasonably express their views, and don't deserve to be locked up just because those views happen to be extraordinarily shitty.

There has to be a limit to what is allowed in society. Reasonable expression is not shooting a group of people who are holding a bible study in a
church. Not to mention that, like some other people have said here, racism often leads to bigger problems, like the Jim Crow laws, the Rwandan Genocide, the Holocaust...I'm not saying you support any of those things, obviously (no sane person would), but if we really want to progress as a society, we have to get rid of any sort of racism, and learn to truly understand different cultures and people.

So yes. Roof deserves to be in jail. For life.

[Ardoki]

Because people have a right to reasonably express their views, and don't deserve to be locked up just because those views happen to be extraordinarily shitty.

There has to be a limit to what is allowed in society. Reasonable expression is not shooting a group of people who are holding a bible study in a
church. Not to mention that, like some other people have said here, racism often leads to bigger problems, like the Jim Crow laws, the Rwandan Genocide, the Holocaust...I'm not saying you support any of those things, obviously (no sane person would), but if we really want to progress as a society, we have to get rid of any sort of racism, and learn to truly understand different cultures and people.

So yes. Roof deserves to be in jail. For life.

+1 comrade.

This is a good response.

[Camicon]

There has to be a limit to what is allowed in society. Reasonable expression is not shooting a group of people who are holding a bible study in a
church. Not to mention that, like some other people have said here, racism often leads to bigger problems, like the Jim Crow laws, the Rwandan Genocide, the Holocaust...I'm not saying you support any of those things, obviously (no sane person would), but if we really want to progress as a society, we have to get rid of any sort of racism, and learn to truly understand different cultures and people.

So yes. Roof deserves to be in jail. For life.

+1 comrade.

This is a good response.

So, saying that people have a right to reasonably express shitty views immediately makes you jump to "YOU SUPPORT THE HOLOCAUST!", but tacking on the blindingly obvious "racism is bad, and we as a society should work to remove it as much as we can", makes you feel all happy inside.

Fucking brilliant logic.

[Todeslager]

The best way to end racism is to marginalize it in all ways, so that racists are reduced to making basic financial decisions, like forgoing toothpaste and Ramen noodles so they can afford to buy Nazi regalia and crystal meth.

But that will not change their views.

Perhaps not, but a toothless idiot circle jerking to Triumph des Willens with fellow toothless idiots in a dilapidated trailer park doesn't tend to be able to make persuasive demonstrations of his alleged racial superiority outside said self-annihilating circle.

[Inyourfaceistan]

There has to be a limit to what is allowed in society. Reasonable expression is not shooting a group of people who are holding a bible study in a
church. Not to mention that, like some other people have said here, racism often leads to bigger problems, like the Jim Crow laws, the Rwandan Genocide, the Holocaust...I'm not saying you support any of those things, obviously (no sane person would), but if we really want to progress as a society, we have to get rid of any sort of racism, and learn to truly understand different cultures and people.

So yes. Roof deserves to be in jail. For life.

+1 comrade.

This is a good response.

Did you read his response?

Did you not just send me a telegram stating that cultures which dont adhere to values that you agree with should be replaced?

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Furthermore I fully believe and fully hope this criminal gets the death penalty...

[Luminesa]

+1 comrade.

This is a good response.

So, saying that people have a right to reasonably express shitty views immediately makes you jump to "YOU SUPPORT THE HOLOCAUST!", but tacking on the blindingly obvious "racism is bad, and we as a society should work to remove it as much as we can", makes you feel all happy inside.

Fucking brilliant logic.

I never jumped to anything. If you read it, I said that I know you don't support it. I'm saying racism is one of those really bad slippery slopes that can lead to really bad stuff like the Holocaust really fast.

I don't mean anything hostile at all.

[El Cuscatlan]

Racism was responsible for the holocaust.

Therefore racism must not be allowed to exist, lest another racist crime against humanity could occur.

Freedom of speech should stop at hateful speech. Hate never brings anything good; only death, destruction, misery and hurt.

Socialism was responsible for 100 million deaths, roughly 16x more than holocaust. Not like I am defending Hitler, but I am pretty sure you are a socialist.

According to your logic (I am NOT threatening now) you should also go under barrel. So enjoy the benefits of free society that allows you to speak stuff like that, and do not replace it for oppressive one.

It would be a rehabilitation facility. Like a cross between a school and a hospital/psychiatric centre.

They would learn to be tolerant.

You can b 100% sure that many of those people will not change their mind. Considering that you hate Christians, let it be known that in past Christians faced enormous persecution (Rome for example), but Christianity NEVER was eradicated. Christians were thrown to lions, crucified, beheaded, yet, as you see, we are still here, 2000 years after thousands were torn apart by lions or died in other violent ways.

What makes you think that this "re-education" will succeed?