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Who will you vote for in the federal election?

Conservative (Stephen Harper)
156
30%
Liberal (Justin Trudeau)
117
23%
NDP (Thomas Mulcair)
132
25%
Green Party (Elizabeth May)
25
5%
Bloc Québécois (Gilles Duceppe)
25
5%
Other party please specify
11
2%
Undecided
9
2%
I'm not voting
44
8%
 
Total votes : 519

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Lovable Alien Overlord
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:30 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:I just turned 18, and this is the first time I'll ever vote in an election. With that said, I will support Harper because he's the least likely to break something. Personally, I don't trust Trudeau or Mulcair with the fate of my country.


Strange reasoning, since Harper's economic stewardship is pretty much the only reason why Canafa's fallen into a recession again.

You forgot the falling oil prices, which is rather convenient. Stephen Harper wanted to build the Keystone Pipeline, which would have made Albertan oil more attractive and boosted local industry. However, it was Obama who put the kibosh on that project, and I recognize Harper's efforts regardless. If there was a different American president, Canada's economy wouldn't be hurting so much.

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Lovable Alien Overlord
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:32 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Strange reasoning, since Harper's economic stewardship is pretty much the only reason why Canafa's fallen into a recession again.


Yeah, it's hard to take Harper seriously when he's been leading us into another recession, never balanced a budget, ruined Canada's reputation on the world stage, and left behind a partisan swamp of corruption and scandal. I'm not sure why you'd call that "not breaking anything".

Perhaps the Libertarian party might be a good party for the dissatisfied Conservative if they can't support the NDP or Liberals.

Harper did the right thing when he stood with Israel. That's actually another reason why I'll be voting for him.

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Nation of Quebec
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:33 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:
Yeah, it's hard to take Harper seriously when he's been leading us into another recession, never balanced a budget, ruined Canada's reputation on the world stage, and left behind a partisan swamp of corruption and scandal. I'm not sure why you'd call that "not breaking anything".

Perhaps the Libertarian party might be a good party for the dissatisfied Conservative if they can't support the NDP or Liberals.

Harper did the right thing when he stood with Israel. That's actually another reason why I'll be voting for him.


All the parties support Israel. What makes the Conservatives so special about that particular issue?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:35 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Strange reasoning, since Harper's economic stewardship is pretty much the only reason why Canafa's fallen into a recession again.

You forgot the falling oil prices, which is rather convenient. Stephen Harper wanted to build the Keystone Pipeline, which would have made Albertan oil more attractive and boosted local industry. However, it was Obama who put the kibosh on that project, and I recognize Harper's efforts regardless. If there was a different American president, Canada's economy wouldn't be hurting so much.

Don't try to pin your problems on us. It isn't our fault you elected Harper.
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Lovable Alien Overlord
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:36 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:You forgot the falling oil prices, which is rather convenient. Stephen Harper wanted to build the Keystone Pipeline, which would have made Albertan oil more attractive and boosted local industry. However, it was Obama who put the kibosh on that project, and I recognize Harper's efforts regardless. If there was a different American president, Canada's economy wouldn't be hurting so much.

Don't try to pin your problems on us. It isn't our fault you elected Harper.

It isn't our fault that you elected Obama.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:37 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Don't try to pin your problems on us. It isn't our fault you elected Harper.

It isn't our fault that you elected Obama.

Canada's economy should be diversified enough that it doesn't matter.
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:38 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:It isn't our fault that you elected Obama.

Canada's economy should be diversified enough that it doesn't matter.

It is diversified, but that doesn't give our ally an excuse to attack one of our vital industries.

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:39 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:It isn't our fault that you elected Obama.

Canada's economy should be diversified enough that it doesn't matter.

So much this. Harper was an idiot for putting all his eggs in the oil sands, and look what it did.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:41 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Canada's economy should be diversified enough that it doesn't matter.

It is diversified, but that doesn't give our ally an excuse to attack one of our vital industries.

The United States is not attacking you. Anyway, the US is the largest oil producer, that gives an excuse for not needing cheaper oil.
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:43 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:It is diversified, but that doesn't give our ally an excuse to attack one of our vital industries.

The United States is not attacking you. Anyway, the US is the largest oil producer, that gives an excuse for not needing cheaper oil.

By limiting the extent to which our natural resources can be used, that is definitely n attack of sorts. Harper 2015!

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:45 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The United States is not attacking you. Anyway, the US is the largest oil producer, that gives an excuse for not needing cheaper oil.

By limiting the extent to which our natural resources can be used, that is definitely n attack of sorts. Harper 2015!

Use your natural resources inside Canada.
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:46 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:By limiting the extent to which our natural resources can be used, that is definitely n attack of sorts. Harper 2015!

Use your natural resources inside Canada.

We do, but we need to export them as well. It's called economics.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:48 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Use your natural resources inside Canada.

We do, but we need to export them as well. It's called economics.

Build a pipeline through BC and ship it. It's called logic.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:48 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Use your natural resources inside Canada.

We do, but we need to export them as well. It's called economics.

Do you want to know what else is part of economics? Choice. Choosing whether or not to buy something. And choosing not to buy something is not an attack.

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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:48 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:We do, but we need to export them as well. It's called economics.

Build a pipeline through BC and ship it. It's called logic.

BC ain't allowing that to happen.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:49 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Build a pipeline through BC and ship it. It's called logic.

BC ain't allowing that to happen.

Which is why it's silly of him to blame Obama for the recession.
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Postby Camicon » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:51 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Use your natural resources inside Canada.

We do, but we need to export them as well. It's called economics.

The Canadian economy as a whole is too dependent on oil sands revenue, and exports to the USA. On the latter front, the EU trade deal that Harper is getting done seems to be about the only intelligent decision he's made, regarding the economy.
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:53 pm

Camicon wrote:
Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:We do, but we need to export them as well. It's called economics.

The Canadian economy as a whole is too dependent on oil sands revenue, and exports with the USA. On the latter front, the EU trade deal that Harper is getting done seems to be about the only intelligent decision he's made, regarding the economy.

The EU trade agreement is one of many policies Harper has enacted that diversified Canada's trade. Other policies include the free trade agreements with India and Korea.

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Postby Marcurix » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:54 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Canada's economy should be diversified enough that it doesn't matter.

So much this. Harper was an idiot for putting all his eggs in the oil sands, and look what it did.


...except he didn't.

He's been pro-oil, that's true, but your statement implies he had a much greater control in directing the growth that came from oil that he actually did.

Napkiraly wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Build a pipeline through BC and ship it. It's called logic.

BC ain't allowing that to happen.


It's not BC'S call, given cross provincial infrastructure is federal jurisdiction.
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:00 pm

Even if I change my mind on who I'm going to vote for, I will never vote for the party of Kathleen Wynne and Trudeau. I was one of the students caught up in those teacher's strikes this year, and my grade 12 year was ruined because of it!

Screw the Liberals!

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Postby Nation of Quebec » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:00 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Canada's economy should be diversified enough that it doesn't matter.

So much this. Harper was an idiot for putting all his eggs in the oil sands, and look what it did.


Exactly this. Harper completely screwed over the manufacturing industry, particularly in Ontario. In fact I seem to recall the Conservatives telling people not to invest in Ontario. That's not a good way to drum up business.
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Postby Marcurix » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:02 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Merizoc wrote:So much this. Harper was an idiot for putting all his eggs in the oil sands, and look what it did.


Exactly this. Harper completely screwed over the manufacturing industry, particularly in Ontario. In fact I seem to recall the Conservatives telling people not to invest in Ontario. That's not a good way to drum up business.


Explain your reasoning.
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Postby Lovable Alien Overlord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:04 pm

Harper didn't screw up Ontario's economy! That blame belongs to the uncompetitive economic policies of the Liberal government!

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Postby Fanosolia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:05 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Strange reasoning, since Harper's economic stewardship is pretty much the only reason why Canafa's fallen into a recession again.


Yeah, it's hard to take Harper seriously when he's been leading us into another recession, never balanced a budget, ruined Canada's reputation on the world stage, and left behind a partisan swamp of corruption and scandal. I'm not sure why you'd call that "not breaking anything".

Perhaps the Libertarian party might be a good party for the dissatisfied Conservative if they can't support the NDP or Liberals.


Don't forget about progressive canada.
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Postby Fanosolia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:08 pm

Lovable Alien Overlord wrote:Harper didn't screw up Ontario's economy! That blame belongs to the uncompetitive economic policies of the Liberal government!


A provincial government is part of the national government you realize that? Saying that Ontario's uncompetivie economy is the only reason for our recession is a bit dishonest.
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