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Who will you vote for in the federal election?

Conservative (Stephen Harper)
156
30%
Liberal (Justin Trudeau)
117
23%
NDP (Thomas Mulcair)
132
25%
Green Party (Elizabeth May)
25
5%
Bloc Québécois (Gilles Duceppe)
25
5%
Other party please specify
11
2%
Undecided
9
2%
I'm not voting
44
8%
 
Total votes : 519

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Postby Atlanticatia » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:56 am

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Sort of. They were a party that staunchly supported less pandering to the Quebecois, lower taxes, Friedmanomics, and cleaning up apathy and corruption. They merged into the Conservatives, and yes, it has become shit. But, the Reform Party itself was actually decent.


Friedmanomics sucks.


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Postby Nation of Quebec » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:57 am

Alvisiror wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:
That's a bit of a bigoted statement to say that all Jews and Ukrainians will be automatically voting for the Conservatives.

Harper has also pissed off the veterans and many have started to campaign against the Conservative.


Obviously not all of them will automatically vote for him but his actions so far will result in a lot of votes from these groups. He is a strong supporter of Israel and Ukraine, he was awarded the King David award by influential Montreal Jews and was the first leader to recognize Ukraine's new government.

Can you provide a source for how he pissed off veterans?

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The irony of this post makes me laugh.


How is this ironic?


Mulcair andTrudeau are supportive of Israel and Ukraine. The other two simply don't pander to the extent Harper has.

Angry veterans planning campaign against Harper:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/angry-v ... -1.2833635

It is ironic because you are accusing someone else of being brainwashed by the so-called "liberal media", when your own posts clearly show a clear bias towards Harper and the Conservatives. That probably disqualifies you from calling someone being brainwashed.
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Postby Alvisiror » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:40 am

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Mulcair and Trudeau are supportive of Israel and Ukraine. The other two simply don't pander to the extent Harper has.

Angry veterans planning campaign against Harper:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/angry-v ... -1.2833635

It is ironic because you are accusing someone else of being brainwashed by the so-called "liberal media", when your own posts clearly show a clear bias towards Harper and the Conservatives. That probably disqualifies you from calling someone being brainwashed.


Thanks for the link. Harper isn't perfect but I see him as a better choice than the other two. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:47 am

Alvisiror wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:
Mulcair and Trudeau are supportive of Israel and Ukraine. The other two simply don't pander to the extent Harper has.

Angry veterans planning campaign against Harper:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/angry-v ... -1.2833635

It is ironic because you are accusing someone else of being brainwashed by the so-called "liberal media", when your own posts clearly show a clear bias towards Harper and the Conservatives. That probably disqualifies you from calling someone being brainwashed.


Thanks for the link. Harper isn't perfect but I see him as a better choice than the other two. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.
I've noticed that whenever there is a mention of LGBTs the liberal media automatically says you have to support them no questions asked and if you don't you're a bigot.
I'm not a fan of LGTs (I'm fine with bisexuals) and I don't think they have any right to say what is undeniably right since that is very dogmatic.

It sounds like you've been brainwashed by I don't know what. The Sun?
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Postby Alvisiror » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:40 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Alvisiror wrote:
Thanks for the link. Harper isn't perfect but I see him as a better choice than the other two. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.
I've noticed that whenever there is a mention of LGBTs the liberal media automatically says you have to support them no questions asked and if you don't you're a bigot.
I'm not a fan of LGTs (I'm fine with bisexuals) and I don't think they have any right to say what is undeniably right since that is very dogmatic.

It sounds like you've been brainwashed by I don't know what. The Sun?


I don't read the Sun. I read the news from a variety of sources and that is not one of them.
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Postby Saint-Thor » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:06 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Saint-Thor wrote:Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that Mulcair is not a socialist. Something the NDP is supposed to be

No, actually it isn't. The NDP is officially social democratic with a socialist faction. It also recognizes the influence of democratic socialists on the party and its values.


Apparently you're right: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-vot ... -1.1385171

New leader, new vision. Layton was about to do it too. Socialism is so cold war I guess.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:31 pm

Apparently Doug Ford wants to be Prime Minister:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/doug-fo ... -1.3199767

Do we really need our own version of Donald Trump?

Alvisiror wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:
Mulcair and Trudeau are supportive of Israel and Ukraine. The other two simply don't pander to the extent Harper has.

Angry veterans planning campaign against Harper:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/angry-v ... -1.2833635

It is ironic because you are accusing someone else of being brainwashed by the so-called "liberal media", when your own posts clearly show a clear bias towards Harper and the Conservatives. That probably disqualifies you from calling someone being brainwashed.


Thanks for the link. Harper isn't perfect but I see him as a better choice than the other two. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.
I've noticed that whenever there is a mention of LGBTs the liberal media automatically says you have to support them no questions asked and if you don't you're a bigot.
I'm not a fan of LGTs (I'm fine with bisexuals) and I don't think they have any right to say what is undeniably right since that is very dogmatic.


and this conversation is over. I don't want to waste my time discussing left-wing media conspiracy theories.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:39 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:Apparently Doug Ford wants to be Prime Minister:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/doug-fo ... -1.3199767

Do we really need our own version of Donald Trump?

Implying he's remotely relevant outside of Etobicoke.
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Postby Sulfar » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:14 pm

I'll have to vote strategically for the NDP. Oh, the joys of FPTP...
Could be worse I guess, Harper could win again.

*shudders*

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Postby Nation of Quebec » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:52 pm

Ainin wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:Apparently Doug Ford wants to be Prime Minister:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/doug-fo ... -1.3199767

Do we really need our own version of Donald Trump?

Implying he's remotely relevant outside of Etobicoke.


Don't forget the Ford's endless pandering to Scarborough. I have to admit the idea of Doug Ford running for Prime Minister would give the late night comedians plenty of material to work with.

Sulfar wrote:I'll have to vote strategically for the NDP. Oh, the joys of FPTP...
Could be worse I guess, Harper could win again.

*shudders*


http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/canada.html

This is a good site to check back to. It aggregates the current polls and offers a projection of each riding. You can find your riding and which party is the most likely to benefit from strategic voting. It's run by Eric Grenier who has the Poll Tracker on CBC.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:26 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Ainin wrote:Implying he's remotely relevant outside of Etobicoke.


Don't forget the Ford's endless pandering to Scarborough. I have to admit the idea of Doug Ford running for Prime Minister would give the late night comedians plenty of material to work with.

Sulfar wrote:I'll have to vote strategically for the NDP. Oh, the joys of FPTP...
Could be worse I guess, Harper could win again.

*shudders*


http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/canada.html

This is a good site to check back to. It aggregates the current polls and offers a projection of each riding. You can find your riding and which party is the most likely to benefit from strategic voting. It's run by Eric Grenier who has the Poll Tracker on CBC.

Don't forget that LeadNow is commissioning riding-specific polling in areas where the Conservatives only won narrowly as part of their anti-Harper "Vote Together" project. See here(ridings with polls already released have an asterisk)
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Postby Kubra » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:57 pm

Alvisiror wrote:
Geilinor wrote:It sounds like you've been brainwashed by I don't know what. The Sun?


I don't read the Sun. I read the news from a variety of sources and that is not one of them.
lol if you're gonna say pretty much the same things as a sun whilst getting your news from a variety of sources, why not save yourself the trouble and just read the Sun? You'd save time.
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Postby Ainin » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:21 am

Alvisiror wrote:
Geilinor wrote:It sounds like you've been brainwashed by I don't know what. The Sun?


I don't read the Sun. I read the news from a variety of sources and that is not one of them.

Fox News, The National Post and Rob Ford's radio show.
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Postby Tayrona » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:39 am

I'm 78% Conservative.

Guess I would vote for them if I was Canadian.
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Postby Camicon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:46 am

Nation of Quebec wrote:http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/canada.html

This is a good site to check back to. It aggregates the current polls and offers a projection of each riding. You can find your riding and which party is the most likely to benefit from strategic voting. It's run by Eric Grenier who has the Poll Tracker on CBC.

That site doesn't have my federal riding listed on it. Why aren't they using the most updated riding names?
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:42 am

It appears that the Duffy trial just might have a bigger impact than some people would believe:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3199132

Camicon wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/canada.html

This is a good site to check back to. It aggregates the current polls and offers a projection of each riding. You can find your riding and which party is the most likely to benefit from strategic voting. It's run by Eric Grenier who has the Poll Tracker on CBC.

That site doesn't have my federal riding listed on it. Why aren't they using the most updated riding names?


That's strange. My riding was redistributed and renamed and it's on there.
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Postby Camicon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:56 am

Nation of Quebec wrote:It appears that the Duffy trial just might have a bigger impact than some people would believe:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3199132

Camicon wrote:That site doesn't have my federal riding listed on it. Why aren't they using the most updated riding names?


That's strange. My riding was redistributed and renamed and it's on there.

Funny thing. Most of the riding names they have listed, for Calgary at least, don't appear on the Elections Canada federal ridings list; nor are most of them listed as having been redrawn in the last decade, even though the riding boundaries listed on the federal site are incongruent with the boundaries that would coincide with the names given on threehundredeight.com.
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I hope that First Nations do vote in this election in greater numbers. There will likely be a dozen or more ridings that will probably come down to a couple hundred votes or less. Nunavut, for example, has a high Inuit population and 308 is currently projecting a very slim Liberal gain.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:48 pm

Ainin wrote:
Alvisiror wrote:
I don't read the Sun. I read the news from a variety of sources and that is not one of them.

Fox News, The National Post and Rob Ford's radio show.

You forgot Ezra Levant's blog.
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Postby Fanosolia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:54 am

Well I came across this in the toronto star, titled "harper, mulcair opt out of debate on womans issues." It about a debate for gender equality won't attend by the ndp leader do to what seems to be a straegic move to only attend debates with harper. I can understand why, he wants to use his resources looking better than harper, though I can see the concern of this issues becoming "invisible" if not addressed.

What do you guess think?

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Postby Oneracon » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:51 am

Fanosolia wrote:Well I came across this in the toronto star, titled "harper, mulcair opt out of debate on womans issues." It about a debate for gender equality won't attend by the ndp leader do to what seems to be a straegic move to only attend debates with harper. I can understand why, he wants to use his resources looking better than harper, though I can see the concern of this issues becoming "invisible" if not addressed.

What do you guess think?

(Ps would link but heading into work, sorry. I'll do that in an edit)

I'll save you the trouble of seeking the link out again and toss it up here: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015 ... group.html

Personally I'm torn on this decision. I think that more debates are good, but I can also see where Mulcair is coming from in that he wants to preserve his "Prime Minister in waiting" reputation and solely face off against Harper. Debates that only feature the leaders of opposition parties could potentially strengthen Harper because the other leaders will spend more time tearing each other down rather than talking about the absentee Harper.

I'm hoping that after the mess that were the debates in this election, the new government will establish some form of independent body to regulate election debates (maybe put it under the Chief Electoral Officer).
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Postby Alvisiror » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:15 pm

Kubra wrote:
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I don't read the Sun. I read the news from a variety of sources and that is not one of them.
lol if you're gonna say pretty much the same things as a sun whilst getting your news from a variety of sources, why not save yourself the trouble and just read the Sun? You'd save time.

Geilinor wrote:Fox News, The National Post and Rob Ford's radio show.


Fox news sometimes has the correct information and so does the National post as for Rob Ford's radio show I've never listened to it.
Fox news however has a very strong religious conservative bias which is why I prefer a wide range of sources in order to come to my conclusion.
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Postby Alvisiror » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:17 pm

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I hope that First Nations do vote in this election in greater numbers. There will likely be a dozen or more ridings that will probably come down to a couple hundred votes or less. Nunavut, for example, has a high Inuit population and 308 is currently projecting a very slim Liberal gain.


I really hope we can integrate First Nations people into Canadian society somehow instead of these constant legal battles over land.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:21 pm

Alvisiror wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:
I hope that First Nations do vote in this election in greater numbers. There will likely be a dozen or more ridings that will probably come down to a couple hundred votes or less. Nunavut, for example, has a high Inuit population and 308 is currently projecting a very slim Liberal gain.


I really hope we can integrate First Nations people into Canadian society somehow instead of these constant legal battles over land.

"Integrate the natives" is pretty much always code for cultural genocide. The federal government should stuff off and leave the First Nations be.

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