2015 Canadian Election

[Fanosolia]

Why do you say that? Other than size and pesky culture tradition making near impossible? What might be a better approach since we're made up of provinces?

Allow each province to establish their own version of the Ghent system. It might work better in some metropolises than perhaps, the Northern territories.

Okay, I was thinking something long those lines after reading the system. It makes sense, more population there than in the territories.

I guess my only question is then, since over there they don't bargain for employment protection, is that under employers discretion?

[Osterrland]

I wish that it was Harper, not Layton that died of cancer.

Ouch, you're able to make inflammatory statements about a leader. How edgy and cool. Wow, you're an anarchist too.

God son, you're just on fire today.

[Alvisiror]

I'm starting to think that voting for Harper won't be so bad after all. At least I know what he will be doing, Trudeau seems inexperienced and idealistic while Mulcair just seems fake. I can't explain it but whenever I see him talk it feels like he is forcing the smile to his face. It's just too creepy.

[Gim]

I'm starting to think that voting for Harper won't be so bad after all. At least I know what he will be doing, Trudeau seems inexperienced and idealistic while Mulcair just seems fake. I can't explain it but whenever I see him talk it feels like he is forcing the smile to his face. It's just too creepy.

I think Conservatives would be the best in maintaining the current state of Canada. I personally find it neither good nor bad. I think the NDP would push the legalization of Marijuana. Liberals, with Justin Trudeau, is just out of the question.

[Saint-Thor]

I'm starting to think that voting for Harper won't be so bad after all. At least I know what he will be doing, Trudeau seems inexperienced and idealistic while Mulcair just seems fake. I can't explain it but whenever I see him talk it feels like he is forcing the smile to his face. It's just too creepy.

I hope Trudeau will resign after he lost this election. He was elected 8 years ago and he's still inexperienced. He's clearly not cut for the job.

[Gim]

I'm starting to think that voting for Harper won't be so bad after all. At least I know what he will be doing, Trudeau seems inexperienced and idealistic while Mulcair just seems fake. I can't explain it but whenever I see him talk it feels like he is forcing the smile to his face. It's just too creepy.

I hope Trudeau will resign after he lost this election. He was elected 8 years ago and he's still inexperienced. He's clearly not cut for the job.

He just needs more experience in politics. In a decade or two later, he'll become a much better candidate.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I dont understand how people can say Trudeau is inexperienced, he is the same age as David Cameron when he became the British Prime Minister, and is only 3 years younger then Harper or Obama when they were elected into their respective offices. Joe Clark was 39 when he became Prime Minister. He is educated, and is has taught both Math and French. he has been an MP since 2008, that's 7 years, a little bit longer than how long Harper was an MP before becoming Prime Minister.

This is an average persons career, and I don't think anything about it inherently disqualifies him from being Prime Minister. Plus he arguably has the most experienced team and qualified candidates

[Gim]

I dont understand how people can say Trudeau is inexperienced, he is the same age as David Cameron when he became the British Prime Minister, and is only 3 years younger then Harper or Obama when they were elected into their respective offices. He is educated, and is has taught both Math and French. he has been an MP since 2008, that's 7 years, a little bit longer than how long Harper was an MP before becoming Prime Minister.

This is an average persons career, and I don't think anything about it inherently disqualifies him from being Prime Minister.

I am clueless as to how he earned those jobs. He admires dictatorship in China, thinks budgets balance themselves, and is in favour of income-splitting, eventually taking away senior pension.

[Kubra]

I dont understand how people can say Trudeau is inexperienced, he is the same age as David Cameron when he became the British Prime Minister, and is only 3 years younger then Harper or Obama when they were elected into their respective offices. He is educated, and is has taught both Math and French. he has been an MP since 2008, that's 7 years, a little bit longer than how long Harper was an MP before becoming Prime Minister.

This is an average persons career, and I don't think anything about it inherently disqualifies him from being Prime Minister.

I am clueless as to how he earned those jobs. He admires dictatorship in China, thinks budgets balance themselves, and is in favour of income-splitting, eventually taking away senior pension.

Got anything not straight up ripped off actual attack ads

[Gim]

I am clueless as to how he earned those jobs. He admires dictatorship in China, thinks budgets balance themselves, and is in favour of income-splitting, eventually taking away senior pension.

Got anything not straight up ripped off actual attack ads

Well, he said those things in his own words. I heard that.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I dont understand how people can say Trudeau is inexperienced, he is the same age as David Cameron when he became the British Prime Minister, and is only 3 years younger then Harper or Obama when they were elected into their respective offices. He is educated, and is has taught both Math and French. he has been an MP since 2008, that's 7 years, a little bit longer than how long Harper was an MP before becoming Prime Minister.

This is an average persons career, and I don't think anything about it inherently disqualifies him from being Prime Minister.

I am clueless as to how he earned those jobs. He admires dictatorship in China, thinks budgets balance themselves, and is in favour of income-splitting, eventually taking away senior pension.

Wow, someone has bought into the Tory Machine.

He is in favour of removing income splitting for families, because it is bad policy. Even Jim Flaherty thought so. It affects the people who dont need it. Only 15% of all canadian families would get a benefit, and it costs the federal government $2.7 billion. Money that could be spent on healthcare, improving the living standards of our aboriginal population, or fixing our infrastructure. As stated in the deabte, he has never, and never have any of the other leaders for that matter, called for touching seniors pensions.

The budgets balanced themselves quote, along with the admiration for China, would probably be two of the biggest loads of Tory crap I can think of. They are small snippets from larger comments. Let me share those with you.
A)

“The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy and the budget will balance itself,” This way they’re artificially fixing a target of a balanced budget in an election year and they’re going through all sorts of twists and turns and bends to try and get it just right and the timing just right and the announcement. And that’s irresponsible. What you need to do is create an economy that works for Canadians, works for middle class Canadians, allows young people to find jobs, allows seniors to feel secure in their retirement.”

He is saying that when the economy begins to grow, the budget deficit will grow smaller, until there is a balance, along with the financial policies that the federal government must put in place. Sure, it is an unnuanced statement, but the Tory spin machine went into overdrive to make it this load of crap that they use to fire up the base.

"You know, there's a level of of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest...we need to start investing in solar.' I mean there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about of having a dictatorship that he can do everything he wanted that I find quite interesting.
But if I were to reach out and say which...which kind of administration I most admire, I think there's something to be said right here in Canada for the way our territories are run. Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and the Yukon are done without political parties around consensus. And are much more like a municipal government. And I think there's a lot to be said for people pulling together to try and solve issues rather than to score points off of each other. And I think we need a little more of that.
But Sun News can now report that I prefer China."

As for this second quote, same thing, the Tories decided they want to cut and paste his words to suit their needs. His "admiration" for China was a joke, to lead into the teasing about Harper wanting a dictatorship and such. He was kidding around with the audience. He went on to say how what he really admired was the non-partisan governments in Nunavut and NWT, because it is less of a battle and less divisive, like what he has tried to do and proposes to do with the senate.

I believe that addresses all your points, anything else?

[Kubra]

Got anything not straight up ripped off actual attack ads

Well, he said those things in his own words. I heard that.

Don't matter, since you haven't discussed the substance of such, only stated them in the same blunt fashion as, well, actual attack ads, because all you've done is parrot them.

[Gim]

Well, he said those things in his own words. I heard that.

Don't matter, since you haven't discussed the substance of such, only stated them in the same blunt fashion as, well, actual attack ads, because all you've done is parrot them.

And I agree with them?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Don't matter, since you haven't discussed the substance of such, only stated them in the same blunt fashion as, well, actual attack ads, because all you've done is parrot them.

And I agree with them?

Please refer to my previous post as to why you should not believe them

[Kubra]

Don't matter, since you haven't discussed the substance of such, only stated them in the same blunt fashion as, well, actual attack ads, because all you've done is parrot them.

And I agree with them?

and that you agree with them so easily, without a second thought to what the source is and how the information is presented, is really worrying.

[Gim]

And I agree with them?

and that you agree with them so easily, without a second thought to what the source is and how the information is presented, is really worrying.

I guess ads serve no purpose then, given the fact that they are not substantial. You've certainly enlightened me. Why do people even make ads?

[Kubra]

and that you agree with them so easily, without a second thought to what the source is and how the information is presented, is really worrying.

I guess ads serve no purpose then, given the fact that they are not substantial. You've certainly enlightened me. Why do people even make ads?

Assuming you're not being sarcastic, this post should look more like this

Please refer to my previous post as to why you should not believe them

I guess ads serve no purpose then, given the fact that they are not substantial. You've certainly enlightened me. Why do people even make ads?

I ain't taking credit when I did shit all

[Gim]

I am clueless as to how he earned those jobs. He admires dictatorship in China, thinks budgets balance themselves, and is in favour of income-splitting, eventually taking away senior pension.

Wow, someone has bought into the Tory Machine.

He is in favour of removing income splitting for families, because it is bad policy. Even Jim Flaherty thought so. It affects the people who dont need it. Only 15% of all canadian families would get a benefit, and it costs the federal government $2.7 billion. Money that could be spent on healthcare, improving the living standards of our aboriginal population, or fixing our infrastructure. As stated in the deabte, he has never, and never have any of the other leaders for that matter, called for touching seniors pensions.

The budgets balanced themselves quote, along with the admiration for China, would probably be two of the biggest loads of Tory crap I can think of. They are small snippets from larger comments. Let me share those with you.
A)

“The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy and the budget will balance itself,” This way they’re artificially fixing a target of a balanced budget in an election year and they’re going through all sorts of twists and turns and bends to try and get it just right and the timing just right and the announcement. And that’s irresponsible. What you need to do is create an economy that works for Canadians, works for middle class Canadians, allows young people to find jobs, allows seniors to feel secure in their retirement.”

He is saying that when the economy begins to grow, the budget deficit will grow smaller, until there is a balance, along with the financial policies that the federal government must put in place. Sure, it is an unnuanced statement, but the Tory spin machine went into overdrive to make it this load of crap that they use to fire up the base.

"You know, there's a level of of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest...we need to start investing in solar.' I mean there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about of having a dictatorship that he can do everything he wanted that I find quite interesting.
But if I were to reach out and say which...which kind of administration I most admire, I think there's something to be said right here in Canada for the way our territories are run. Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and the Yukon are done without political parties around consensus. And are much more like a municipal government. And I think there's a lot to be said for people pulling together to try and solve issues rather than to score points off of each other. And I think we need a little more of that.
But Sun News can now report that I prefer China."

As for this second quote, same thing, the Tories decided they want to cut and paste his words to suit their needs. His "admiration" for China was a joke, to lead into the teasing about Harper wanting a dictatorship and such. He was kidding around with the audience. He went on to say how what he really admired was the non-partisan governments in Nunavut and NWT, because it is less of a battle and less divisive, like what he has tried to do and proposes to do with the senate.

I believe that addresses all your points, anything else?

Perhaps, Trudeau is not as dumb as it sounds. It was a mistake for me to just listen to the advertisements that attack the candidate. Thank you for your enlightening words, as I have already told you in the telegram I sent you.

[Atlanticatia]

Hey, TLT, I don't know if you know this either, but you wouldn't happen to have any clue on how to have our country more unionized like over in Scandinavia?

Well the reason that the Scandinavian countries are hugely unionized is because they have a huge tradition in unionization. The Anglo countries do not in comparison. Another reason is that for at least a couple of those countries, there is a specific system in place (called the "Ghent" system) that encourages unions to make deals with corporations with the government as a detached third party mediator. Personally as a libertarian, I ultimately prefer the individual being the final mediator, but I am not entirely opposed to the Ghent system, although I am wary that it would potentially create corrupt unions, that doesn't seem to be the case in Denmark to my knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghent_system

Very interesting. More focused on the US, but I know Canada shares some of the same problems:
http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/38 ... ihan-salam

Other factors may be that due to the small size of the Scandinavian countries relative to Canada, it would of been easy for unionists all throughout the country to come together and strike, whereas if you live in Vancouver, you can't exactly call Fred from Toronto to come and strike. (Also, Olaf knows Helga who knows Sven, where Fred may not always keep tabs on what his friend is doing).

Although I doubt that Canada should copy Scandinavia if it means handling unions better (I am not entirely convinced either), perhaps looking into some ways that other countries handle their unions could potentially help. At least it would be a fair better deal than national right-to-work laws.

The Ghent system also means that trade unions provide unemployment benefits, rather than the state. So basically if you want to have unemployment insurance, you have to join a union.

[Nation of Quebec]

Latest poll from Leger Marketing shows the Conservatives in third place:

http://leger360.com/admin/upload/publi_ ... 150815.pdf

Mainstreet so far seems like the only pollster out; they are the only ones showing the Conservatives in the lead (although this lead is within the margin of error.) I suspect this may have to do with the political leanings of the poll's backers.

Perhaps, Trudeau is not as dumb as it sounds. It was a mistake for me to just listen to the advertisements that attack the candidate. Thank you for your enlightening words, as I have already told you in the telegram I sent you.

This is why you should never believe a political attack ad. It's not as if they were designed to deliberately mislead you by smearing the other guy. You should do you own research to filter out the bullshit.

I'm glad that the Liberals haven't stooped down to this level yet.

Actually, since the election began I've only seen one political ad on television - a Conservative attack ad just last night.

[Chameliya]

After watching the Maclean's debate I think I'd support Elizabeth May and the Green Party - but then again, I'm just a Brit.

[MERIZoC]

Duceppe and Mulcair slam Harper for not attending Montreal Pride Parade.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mulcair-duceppe-criticize-harper-for-not-attending-montreal-pride-1.3192943

This isn't going to win the Conservatives any friends.

[Hopeavia]

Pour Libertè, Pour la langue française, Duceppe

[Geilinor]

Got anything not straight up ripped off actual attack ads

Well, he said those things in his own words. I heard that.

Those are soundbites taken out of context.

[Gim]

Well, he said those things in his own words. I heard that.

Those are soundbites taken out of context.

Oh, I see what you're saying now.