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Who will you vote for in the federal election?

Conservative (Stephen Harper)
156
30%
Liberal (Justin Trudeau)
117
23%
NDP (Thomas Mulcair)
132
25%
Green Party (Elizabeth May)
25
5%
Bloc Québécois (Gilles Duceppe)
25
5%
Other party please specify
11
2%
Undecided
9
2%
I'm not voting
44
8%
 
Total votes : 519

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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:56 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Ainin wrote:Tbh, I don't see much changing in Quebec.

A Tory riding or two near Quebec City might turn orange, the tiny Bloc caucus will likely be obliterated by the NDP and the Liberals will likely retake the Anglophone Montreal West Island riding of Pierrefonds-Roxboro from the NDP. Strength in Democracy will probably die a quiet death at the hands of the NDP. I don't see anything else changing.

Francophone Quebec won't vote for a Trudeau, Montreal will never elect a Tory, right-wingers won't vote for the NDP, Bloc's renewal is dead on arrival; not much space for change.


I'm inclined to agree. The largest changes will undoubtedly come from Alberta and Ontario, maybe even BC will have some large changes. The outskirts of Vancouver and the inland regions that traditionally vote Tory could have threats from the NDP. Vancouver Island is largely Tory held as well, but I see this changing. As for Alberta, with the NDP surge there, I expect most urban ridings to go NDP, as well as quite a few random ass ridings that have traditionally been Tory as fuck.


If we're talking about Alberta, I expect a few Edmonton ridings to go NDP and Edmonton Center is considered a toss-up between the Liberals and the NDP. Calgary Center, Calgary Confederation, and Calgary Skyview are the ridings that are the most likely to go Liberal. There aren't any other ridings in the province expected to flip outside of Lethbridge.

It's the prairies that are becoming interesting. Saskatoon, for example, is completely Tory now, but it's three ridings are expected to go NDP this time. The Tories might even be kicked out of Regina as well. Winnipeg is expected to return to the Liberals.

I think most of the political shifts will be in Ontario and the West, if the latest polls are to believed.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:35 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Merizoc wrote:It's what SocDems and DemSocs have been doing around the world for the past couple of decades. UK Labour, Danish Social Democrats, Brazil's Worker's Party, and of course, SYRIZA are all just a few examples.


SYRIZA had no choice, Labour is about to be led by a near marxist, and the Brazilian Workers Party is led by a quasi-chavist who has led her country straight to stagnation and economic stasis.

But, that's all for another thread.

I disagree, that's irrelevant to what I said nonetheless, and she's even worse than that, respectively.

And given that this is a political thread, I'd say comparisons to other countries are very fair.

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Postby Pot4toes » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:38 pm

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:40 pm

Okay? Anything substantial to add?

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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:43 pm

Pot4toes wrote:I'm American, and I'll looking at this like
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Funny, That was my exact reaction to when I watched a comparison video of our debates, and the republicans' primaries by young turks.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:21 am

The Greater Union of Kinnota wrote:I find it a little unsettling that NDP is straying from its social democratic ideals, what with Mulcair's "newfound" centre-right leanings in the wake of this slight recession. They're becoming more of a neoliberal, third-way, Blair-esque-type party, something that I personally am not supportive of. I was really hoping that NDP would provide a solid centre-left alternative to the Liberals and Conservatives (namely, one that was progressive and environmentally friendly, yet viable), but as of late, I am not so certain.

I dunno, at best I'd think we could call some of Mulcair's financial policies neoliberal... but it's hard to tell whether that's purely a defensive move against Harper or a true policy shift.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:00 pm

So I took the vote compass test https://votecompass.cbc.ca

Results: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=3 ... 1440981308
Apparently, I'm just left of the liberals, but I agree the most with them and greens, though that might be me putting I don't know in some spots (example: How much of a role should the private sector have in health care?)

Is there really a movement here for us to cut ties to the monarchy?

edits, fixed my answer on labor.
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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:19 pm

Fanosolia wrote:So I took the vote compass test https://votecompass.cbc.ca

Results: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=3 ... 1440981308
Apparently, I'm just right of the liberals, but I agree the most with them and greens, though that might be me putting I don't know in some spots (example: How much of a role should the private sector have in health care?)

Is there really a movement here for us to cut ties to the monarchy?


Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.

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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:26 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:So I took the vote compass test https://votecompass.cbc.ca

Results: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=3 ... 1440981308
Apparently, I'm just right of the liberals, but I agree the most with them and greens, though that might be me putting I don't know in some spots (example: How much of a role should the private sector have in health care?)

Is there really a movement here for us to cut ties to the monarchy?


Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.


I see. Well, part of me would like us to be a parliamentary republic, for no reason other than principle, but does us being a monarchy really do a whole lot in our lives?
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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:43 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Nocturnalis wrote:
Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.


I see. Well, part of me would like us to be a parliamentary republic, for no reason other than principle, but does us being a monarchy really do a whole lot in our lives?


The monarchy itself plays a tiny, practically imperceptible role, in the lives of the average Canadian. Even Quebec sovereignists are opposed to the monarchy more out of their distaste for anything 'Canadian' than any republican principles.
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Postby Camicon » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:43 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Nocturnalis wrote:
Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.


I see. Well, part of me would like us to be a parliamentary republic, for no reason other than principle, but does us being a monarchy really do a whole lot in our lives?

It doesn't. Don't fix what ain't broke, and all that.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:53 pm

The Vote Compass thing never seems to work for me. It doesn't like Chrome for some reason.

Nocturnalis wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:So I took the vote compass test https://votecompass.cbc.ca

Results: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=3 ... 1440981308
Apparently, I'm just right of the liberals, but I agree the most with them and greens, though that might be me putting I don't know in some spots (example: How much of a role should the private sector have in health care?)

Is there really a movement here for us to cut ties to the monarchy?


Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.


I actually don't support the monarchy. There is no reason why we need them or send our tax money to them.

It's not a deal breaker, but I'm still curious as to why we still have the monarchy.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:54 pm

Camicon wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I see. Well, part of me would like us to be a parliamentary republic, for no reason other than principle, but does us being a monarchy really do a whole lot in our lives?

It doesn't. Don't fix what ain't broke, and all that.
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Fanosolia wrote:
I see. Well, part of me would like us to be a parliamentary republic, for no reason other than principle, but does us being a monarchy really do a whole lot in our lives?


The monarchy itself plays a tiny, practically imperceptible role, in the lives of the average Canadian. Even Quebec sovereignists are opposed to the monarchy more out of their distaste for anything 'Canadian' than any republican principles.


yeah I figured as much, more of a symbol than anything else I feel.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:54 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:The Vote Compass thing never seems to work for me. It doesn't like Chrome for some reason.

Nocturnalis wrote:
Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.


I actually don't support the monarchy. There is no reason why we need them or send our tax money to them.

It's not a deal breaker, but I'm still curious as to why we still have the monarchy.


Really? I used chrome and it's fine for me.
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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:15 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:The Vote Compass thing never seems to work for me. It doesn't like Chrome for some reason.

Nocturnalis wrote:
Results here: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=1 ... 1440983041

Aside from the Quebec sovereignists, I wouldn't think so. Apparently, most Canadians aren't even aware we are a monarchy. On the other hand, neither are we strong monarchists in general. There are certainly those who advocate for a Canadian republic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_ ... n_Republic ), but they are in the extreme minority.


I actually don't support the monarchy. There is no reason why we need them or send our tax money to them.

It's not a deal breaker, but I'm still curious as to why we still have the monarchy.


While we do send money to the monarchy, none of it goes to the Queen. It also costs us a lot less than some other institutions (~1.53 per Canadian for the monarchy as opposed to ~2.45 per Canadian for the Senate according to the Monarchist League of Canada - if we're cutting costs, abolish the Senate!). What we're spending all that money on is maintaining historic buildings (such as government houses) and using it to honour Canadians who have served the country...all things we'd be doing regardless if we were a monarchy or a republic.

The only time we actually pay for the Royals is when they come here to visit, and even then we usually pay the same amount or more for leaders who don't have any constitutional connection to our land, such as the US President.

We have the monarchy because why fix what isn't broken? The monarch acts as an important element of continuity and national unity within our political system, with 'real powers' that are negligible at best.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Fanosolia wrote:So I took the vote compass test https://votecompass.cbc.ca

Results: https://votecompass.cbc.ca/results/?s=3 ... 1440981308
Apparently, I'm just left of the liberals, but I agree the most with them and greens, though that might be me putting I don't know in some spots (example: How much of a role should the private sector have in health care?)

Is there really a movement here for us to cut ties to the monarchy?

edits, fixed my answer on labor.


Wow, what a stupid test. Puts me more conservative yet more left wing than the CPC. After it asks you a whole bunch of irrelevant, somewhat intrusive crap. And I don't even know how to reweight my questions because the site is extremely painful to navigate and use.

Besides, I still prefer the isidewith test.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:36 pm

On the Vote Compass test I got:

82% Green Party
80% NDP
74% Liberals
40% Conservatives
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

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Postby Democratic Socialist States of Africa » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:58 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:On the Vote Compass test I got:

82% Green Party
80% NDP
74% Liberals
40% Conservatives


On a political test I took, I always got NDP. ;)

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Postby Oneracon » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:23 pm

Vote Compass Results:

78% NDP
78% Liberal
77% Green
46% Conservative




If you guys haven't done so yet, try looking at your result graph in 3D. They use a third axis based on the Constitution (reform vs. status quo).
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:03 pm

72% NDP
71% Liberal
64% Green
44% Conservatives

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Postby Saint-Thor » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:12 pm

82% BQ
75% NDP
65% Green
60% Liberals
34% Conservatives

It's funny to learn how the Green are totally against the recognition of Québec as a nation in the Constitution. Even more than the Liberals and Conservatives.

Nocturnalis wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I see. Well, part of me would like us to be a parliamentary republic, for no reason other than principle, but does us being a monarchy really do a whole lot in our lives?


The monarchy itself plays a tiny, practically imperceptible role, in the lives of the average Canadian. Even Quebec sovereignists are opposed to the monarchy more out of their distaste for anything 'Canadian' than any republican principles.

No republican principles uh? The republican principles are as old as the 1830's in Lower Canada. Good reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lower_Canada

You won't see anywhere any kind of support to any monarchy among the sovereignists. They wouldn't even support a French monarchy.

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Postby Ainin » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:26 am

How much you agree with the parties:

82% NDP
78% BQ
76% GPC
71% LPC
34% CPC

How you rate the party leaders:

75% Mulcair
70% May
20% Duceppe
15% Trudeau
0% Harper
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Postby Aboras » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:14 pm

The Greens, at this point, are more left than the NDP. Mulcair has taken the party into a right leaning direction for sure.

New Liberal Party, anyone?
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Postby White Chrobatia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:28 pm

Aboras wrote:The Greens, at this point, are more left than the NDP. Mulcair has taken the party into a right leaning direction for sure.

New Liberal Party, anyone?

How so, do you think?
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Postby Fanosolia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:19 pm

White Chrobatia wrote:
Aboras wrote:The Greens, at this point, are more left than the NDP. Mulcair has taken the party into a right leaning direction for sure.

New Liberal Party, anyone?

How so, do you think?


Yeah I'm still trying to figure out how they're more right under muclair too. I mean there's the one pipeline and there's trade agreements (which still, they rather review before signing.), but that's all I know of.
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