Success of Obamacare, and Debunking Myths

[Kelinfort]

Far superior to the ACA are the systems of cost control in place in Japan. A model based around non profit hospitals run by physicians with private insurance agencies and negotiations on the price of each operation or procedure would be much more effective.

[Esternial]

is that a libertarian thing?

Libertarian satire and an attempt to put the thread back on its rails.

Turns out if you like your abortion doctor, you might not be able to keep your abortion doctor, if said abortion doctor doesn't accept your insurance plan.

Seems kinda superfluous to make Libertarian satire.

[Geilinor]

Far superior to the ACA are the systems of cost control in place in Japan. A model based around non profit hospitals run by physicians with private insurance agencies and negotiations on the price of each operation or procedure would be much more effective.

There are many systems far superior to the ACA, but if the ACA has been branded as "socialism" and a "government takeover", imagine the backlash to government cost agreements.

[Todeslager]

I wish leftists would decide if they want a cure for death or artificial population control.

I'm not leftist, but I want people to have modern medicine.

Modern medicine is nice. Which government manufactures that again?

[Kelinfort]

Far superior to the ACA are the systems of cost control in place in Japan. A model based around non profit hospitals run by physicians with private insurance agencies and negotiations on the price of each operation or procedure would be much more effective.

There are many systems far superior to the ACA, but if the ACA has been branded as "socialism" and a "government takeover", imagine the backlash to government cost agreements.

Well yeah...

[Esternial]

I'm not leftist, but I want people to have modern medicine.

Modern medicine is nice. Which government manufactures that again?

There's actually quite some government funding going into modern medicine.

Of course all you care about is results, I assume, or you didn't even know that until I just told you.

Or why not both?

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not leftist, but I want people to have modern medicine.

Modern medicine is nice. Which government manufactures that again?

Oh you know that thing called government funding. Wait....taxes are theft so no good comes from the funding right?

[The Black Forrest]

Umm how about no? I mean can you source that millions died in the streets prior to govt involvement in healthcare that wasn't attributable to some other cause like insufficient knowledge of disease or something?

Challenging leftist hyperbole? Might as well be demanding they just shut up. If it were possible for the Left to emit a rational argument, don't you believe they would have sometime in the last 222 years? It's always been some variant of the of' guillotine for your own good riff.

Again. Your delivery needs work.

[Ashmoria]

no they didn't die in the streets, they died at home.

I wish leftists would decide if they want a cure for death or artificial population control.

americans have decided that they don't want people to die unnecessarily due to lack of medical care and insurance.

go figure. no one wants a sucky country that lets people die untreated.

[Todeslager]

Libertarian satire and an attempt to put the thread back on its rails.

Turns out if you like your abortion doctor, you might not be able to keep your abortion doctor, if said abortion doctor doesn't accept your insurance plan.

Seems kinda superfluous to make Libertarian satire.

Admittedly, debunking leftists takes nearly half the effort required to delay blinking, and is as about as sporting as crimping a beetle's wings with a paper clip and watching them squirm and flounder and make screeching noises, but we're in mixed company so I have to work with the clay I'm handed.

[Esternial]

Since you brought up modern medicine, here's something for you.

Antibiotics.

Companies have little incentive to invest in developing them because it's a time-consuming process and it takes a lot of funding. Governments actually need to create incentives.

How little you know, yet how boldly you speak.

[The Black Forrest]

Do you have a source that millions died at home because govt wasn't involved in the healthcare industry and that such deaths aren't attributable to other causes? Or are you going to claim they didn't die in the streets or at home but ... Idk in a hotel next?

Hundreds of thousands of people died of smallpox before the government helped people get vaccinated.

Then there is that measles thing, whooping cough, mumps, rubella......

[The Black Forrest]

Seems kinda superfluous to make Libertarian satire.

Admittedly, debunking leftists takes nearly half the effort required to delay blinking, and is as about as sporting as crimping a beetle's wings with a paper clip and watching them squirm and flounder and make screeching noises, but we're in mixed company so I have to work with the clay I'm handed.

Oh. More libertarian humor?

[Ashmoria]

Seems kinda superfluous to make Libertarian satire.

Admittedly, debunking leftists takes nearly half the effort required to delay blinking, and is as about as sporting as crimping a beetle's wings with a paper clip and watching them squirm and flounder and make screeching noises, but we're in mixed company so I have to work with the clay I'm handed.

when you've started, let us know.

[Todeslager]

Modern medicine is nice. Which government manufactures that again?

Oh you know that thing called government funding. Wait....taxes are theft so no good comes from the funding right?

Intriguing labor theory of value there, comrade. Tell the class (that you're not at war with) how little Timmy's dollar became a Prozac tab.

[BK117B2]

Far superior to the ACA are the systems of cost control in place in Japan. A model based around non profit hospitals run by physicians with private insurance agencies and negotiations on the price of each operation or procedure would be much more effective.

My wife has been happier with the care provided in the U.S. than in Japan. I will say that their elder care looked pretty good....possibly more emphasis there due to their demographics

[The Black Forrest]

Oh you know that thing called government funding. Wait....taxes are theft so no good comes from the funding right?

Intriguing labor theory of value there, comrade. Tell the class (that you're not at war with) how little Timmy's dollar became a Prozac tab.

Nope. Your delivery is not quite there yet. Keep practicing.

[Todeslager]

Admittedly, debunking leftists takes nearly half the effort required to delay blinking, and is as about as sporting as crimping a beetle's wings with a paper clip and watching them squirm and flounder and make screeching noises, but we're in mixed company so I have to work with the clay I'm handed.

when you've started, let us know.

PeeWee Herman's "I know you are but what am I" routine was stale back when Saul Alinsky was doing it. Thanks for playing.

[Ashmoria]

when you've started, let us know.

PeeWee Herman's "I know you are but what am I" routine was stale back when Saul Alinsky was doing it. Thanks for playing.

just waiting for some debunking.

[Esternial]

PeeWee Herman's "I know you are but what am I" routine was stale back when Saul Alinsky was doing it. Thanks for playing.

just waiting for some debunking.

He only does the edgy teen libertarian shtick. You don't get refunds.

[Dyakovo]

Privatizing police would only take our current problems and make them much worse.

Why ? Flash bangs and overtime aren't cheap you know neither is ammo and unnecessary swat team gear. Companies may not care bout people but they do care about profits after all.

And that right there is the problem. The police shouldn't be looking to turn a profit.

[Todeslager]

just waiting for some debunking.

He only does the edgy teen libertarian shtick. You don't get refunds.

As if I were being paid to elicit cries for mercy from the intellectually void and routed. Hell, I do this for fun.

You all were much more charming when you were bombastically declaring everyone who sees the innate flaws in your views as evil and selfish and nasty and immoral. Hell, I read the Robin Hood fairy tale too. I just grew up, is all.

At least Robin Hood admitted he was stealing.

[Llamalandia]

Why ? Flash bangs and overtime aren't cheap you know neither is ammo and unnecessary swat team gear. Companies may not care bout people but they do care about profits after all.

And that right there is the problem. The police shouldn't be looking to turn a profit.

No the problem is the lack of profit motive. Well that and appropriate oversight. But I'm guessing going all Gestapo on peaceful protestors is pretty damn expensive. Wouldn't happen if you had shareholders to satisfy and true fiduciary responsibility.

[Esternial]

He only does the edgy teen libertarian shtick. You don't get refunds.

As if I were being paid to elicit cries for mercy from the intellectually void and routed. Hell, I do this for fun.

You all were much more charming when you were bombastically declaring everyone who sees the innate flaws in your views as evil and selfish and nasty and immoral. Hell, I read the Robin Hood fairy tale too. I just grew up, is all.

Strut that sass.

[Fartsniffage]

And that right there is the problem. The police shouldn't be looking to turn a profit.

No the problem is the lack of profit motive. Well that and appropriate oversight. But I'm guessing going all Gestapo on peaceful protestors is pretty damn expensive. Wouldn't happen if you had shareholders to satisfy and true fiduciary responsibility.

Not if you then use it as an advertisement of how your private police force will spare no expense to keep your neighbourhood safe for the low low price of $200 per month per household.