Success of Obamacare, and Debunking Myths

[Llamalandia]

Neo-feudalism arises from strict libertarianism/anarco-capitalism whether you believe in it or not.

In the absence of government, there is nothing to stop corporate exploitation and monopolization. Corporations inevitably become large enough to enforce their own law of the land.

Except that absence of government has nothing to do with libertarianism. That's an anarchist sort of thing

I not for the total absence of govt though. Just a very small one which exercise those minimal areas in which it is actually competent.

[Esternial]

Except that absence of government has nothing to do with libertarianism. That's an anarchist sort of thing

I not for the total absence of govt though. Just a very small one which exercise those minimal areas in which it is actually competent.

Those areas being?

[The Black Forrest]

Except that absence of government has nothing to do with libertarianism. That's an anarchist sort of thing

I not for the total absence of govt though. Just a very small one which exercise those minimal areas in which it is actually competent.

Such as?

[Colbert Super PAC]

The government should stay out of our lives and let the free market handle this!

[The Black Forrest]

The government should stay out of our lives and let the free market handle this!

Hey. Didn't you close your show?

[Todeslager]

I often chuckle at socialist / totalitarian attempts to a) categorize humanity as selfish, soulless, immoral / amoral creatures (themselves excepted, naturally) and b) attempt to justify their covetous drive to commit larceny against said creatures for "their own good."

Might as well be championing riparian rights for mosquitoes.

Hmpf. I didn't know I was a socialist let alone a totalitarian. But whatever. Keep shaking that fist at the sky and lecturing how things will be better if only people would listen.

The idea that people need to be coerced by authority to achieve altruistic / pseudo-altruistic aims isn't socialist / totalitarian leaning thought?

I'm listening to (well, reading) what you have to say, and suppressing a reflex to reduce it to its essential, component, operant absurdities without opining on the level of foolishness required to posit such inanities, because I don't tend to characterize the various intellectual flora, fungi, and fauna in absolutist terms.

I'm a libertarian. Particularly an anarcholibertarian. I have no problem with what you want to be or call yourself until it infringes upon or calls for action contrary to my interests. We're just comparing philosophies here.

[Llamalandia]

I not for the total absence of govt though. Just a very small one which exercise those minimal areas in which it is actually competent.

Those areas being?

Defense mainly. And education. I make exception for education as being inherently good and necessary to ensuring equality of opportunity in a modern meritocracy.

Edit I should say funding education. Actually providing it is a mixed bag.

[Colbert Super PAC]

Those areas being?

Defense mainly. And education. I make exception for education as being inherently good and necessary to ensuring equality of opportunity in a modern meritocracy.

Private schools are much better than public schools. As for defense, we could hire companies like Blackwater.

[Llamalandia]

Defense mainly. And education. I make exception for education as being inherently good and necessary to ensuring equality of opportunity in a modern meritocracy.

Private schools are much better than public schools. As for defense, we could hire companies like Blackwater.

Yeah sorry I edit my post to reflect that generally.

Black water would definitely instill discipline, and I'm sure the electives on covert assassination would be huge with the kids.

[Ashmoria]

Taxes and the spending therof, actually.

We've explained for pages and fucking pages how most of the ACA falls into one of those two categories.

Oh yes and yet no one has been able to show me in the aca legislation it says explicitly that the individual mandate is a tax.

what difference does that make? the supreme court says its a tax. that is more than enough.

[Todeslager]

Defense mainly. And education. I make exception for education as being inherently good and necessary to ensuring equality of opportunity in a modern meritocracy.

Private schools are much better than public schools. As for defense, we could hire companies like Blackwater.

Or at least update our defense policy to concentrate on defense rather than believing failed social engineering experiments from our own culture will achieve better ends if only we imposed them on other cultures with bigger guns.

[Llamalandia]

Oh yes and yet no one has been able to show me in the aca legislation it says explicitly that the individual mandate is a tax.

what difference does that make? the supreme court says its a tax. that is more than enough.

The Supreme Court can call a banana a hammer it doesn't make it true. I'm saying and have been saying the court is wrong.

[Colbert Super PAC]

Private schools are much better than public schools. As for defense, we could hire companies like Blackwater.

Or at least update our defense policy to concentrate on defense rather than believing failed social engineering experiments from our own culture will achieve better ends if only we imposed them on other cultures with bigger guns.

What is wrong with bringing them freedom and democracy?

[Llamalandia]

Private schools are much better than public schools. As for defense, we could hire companies like Blackwater.

Or at least update our defense policy to concentrate on defense rather than believing failed social engineering experiments from our own culture will achieve better ends if only we imposed them on other cultures with bigger guns.

well that is true bush really screwed up.

[Llamalandia]

Or at least update our defense policy to concentrate on defense rather than believing failed social engineering experiments from our own culture will achieve better ends if only we imposed them on other cultures with bigger guns.

What is wrong with bringing them freedom and democracy?

Be cause they re ungrateful pricks.

[Colbert Super PAC]

Or at least update our defense policy to concentrate on defense rather than believing failed social engineering experiments from our own culture will achieve better ends if only we imposed them on other cultures with bigger guns.

well that is true bush really screwed up.

Bush has been the best president since Reagan.

[Todeslager]

Or at least update our defense policy to concentrate on defense rather than believing failed social engineering experiments from our own culture will achieve better ends if only we imposed them on other cultures with bigger guns.

What is wrong with bringing them freedom and democracy?

Abu Graib, Eagle checkpoints, collateral damage and Nouri Al-Maliki?

Why don't we focus on the spectacular mess of freedom and democracy we've made in our homeland republic with the Affordable Care Act instead?

[Geilinor]

What is wrong with bringing them freedom and democracy?

Abu Graib, Eagle checkpoints, collateral damage and Nouri Al-Maliki?

Why don't we focus on the spectacular mess of freedom and democracy we've made in our homeland republic with the Affordable Care Act instead?

The Affordable Care Act is freedom and democracy at work. If you don't like it, use your freedom and democracy to change it.

[Colbert Super PAC]

What is wrong with bringing them freedom and democracy?

Abu Graib, Eagle checkpoints, collateral damage and Nouri Al-Maliki?

Why don't we focus on the spectacular mess of freedom and democracy we've made in our homeland republic with the Affordable Care Act instead?

There's no need to concentrate on only one thing at a time. And those things you listed are necessary to protect us from the terrorists. Or do you want ISIS to win?

[Geilinor]

Abu Graib, Eagle checkpoints, collateral damage and Nouri Al-Maliki?

Why don't we focus on the spectacular mess of freedom and democracy we've made in our homeland republic with the Affordable Care Act instead?

There's no need to concentrate on only one thing at a time. And those things you listed are necessary to protect us from the terrorists. Or do you want ISIS to win?

You make me sick. The torture at Abu Gharib was not necessary to protect us from terrorists. I know you're a parody account, but your claims are bad and you should feel bad.

[Esternial]

Those areas being?

Defense mainly. And education. I make exception for education as being inherently good and necessary to ensuring equality of opportunity in a modern meritocracy.

Edit I should say funding education. Actually providing it is a mixed bag.

I suppose those are like two out of eight things you actually know for which the government provides funding for?

[Ashmoria]

Point being.....

That lettng people die in the gutters isn't necessarily immoral hence government has no right to deprive people of money by an act of commission (ie taxation) in order to prevent said deaths.

thank goodness that few people believe that. no one wants a sucky country that lets the poor die.

[Llamalandia]

Defense mainly. And education. I make exception for education as being inherently good and necessary to ensuring equality of opportunity in a modern meritocracy.

Edit I should say funding education. Actually providing it is a mixed bag.

I suppose those are like two out of eight things you actually know from which the government provides funding for?

Umm sure they fund other shit I just think that they those other things except maybe law enforcement is better left to the private sector. Plus given how police have been behaving lately privatizing them might not be a bad idea. The govt might not mind the overkill and expenditure associated with militant policing but a CEO would never permit this kind a
Of waste (well at least if he wants to keep his job)

[Ashmoria]

*shrug* you may think that. Most do not. So again sucks to be you.

actually about thirty percent or so agree with me. They are called republicans. (there are a few true christian conservatives who actually buy into to the whole helping the poor thing in the bible and not just hating gays or the percentage would be higher).

that's not true. most republicans do not think that taxation is theft and that the poor should fend for themselves. hell it was RONALD REAGAN who decided that hospitals should have to treat people regardless of ability to pay.

[Geilinor]

I suppose those are like two out of eight things you actually know from which the government provides funding for?

Umm sure they fund other shit I just think that they those other things except maybe law enforcement is better left to the private sector. Plus given how police have been behaving lately privatizing them might not be a bad idea. The govt might not mind the overkill and expenditure associated with militant policing but a CEO would never permit this kind a
Of waste (well at least if he wants to keep his job)

Privatizing police would only take our current problems and make them much worse.