[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's a message of support for something: in this case, the wedding.

No it isn't. No more than a taxi driver giving somebody a lift to a political demonstration is a message of support for the views of the demonstrators.

Something else that should be able to be refused.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

But they advertise their business as providing cakes to the public. They are not providing cakes to the public. Thus, they are lying in their advertising.

They are. Are they advertising 'all cakes to the public?' No.

Do you know what a public accommodation is?

[Salandriagado]

But they advertise their business as providing cakes to the public. They are not providing cakes to the public. Thus, they are lying in their advertising.

They are. Are they advertising 'all cakes to the public?' No.

Yes. That's what advertising your business as a public accommodation does. The solution to this is very simple: don't set your business up as a public accommodation.

[Geilinor]

But they advertise their business as providing cakes to the public. They are not providing cakes to the public. Thus, they are lying in their advertising.

They are. Are they advertising 'all cakes to the public?' No.

Their advertising implies that the store is open to the general public.

[Shaggai]

I suppose I have no choice but to support a wedding cake as the Democratic nominee, as, judging by the amount of discussion that wedding cakes seem to be receiving in this thread, it appears that they are a candidate, and most likely one of the frontrunners.

But seriously, I support Sanders.

[Grave_n_idle]

How is "happy wedding" an "overtly political message?"

It's a message of support for something: in this case, the wedding.

That's silly, and not even logical - unless you also hold that car salesmen are endorsing drunk drivers running over school children, and the Second Amendment is tacit approval for gun murders?

No? Maybe selling a product has nothing to do with endorsing the use of it? Could that be the case?

[Grave_n_idle]

Make up your mind - is it a religious objection, or a political one?

Are you just shifting goalposts?

Both are acceptable. If you object to making a gay marriage cake, you shouldn't have to, no matter the grounds.

Both are equally acceptable - but both are not acceptable.

If you don't want to participate in a legally regulated marketplace, you don't have to - but if you want to participate in that marketplace, there are costs to doing business.

Like not discriminating based on your personal prejudice.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Both are acceptable. If you object to making a gay marriage cake, you shouldn't have to, no matter the grounds.

That kinda depends. You might get away with it in a small mom 'n pop shop, but not on a large commercial scale.

[Cannabis Islands]

Make up your mind - is it a religious objection, or a political one?

Are you just shifting goalposts?

Both are acceptable. If you object to making a gay marriage cake, you shouldn't have to, no matter the grounds.

So, if I'm a Catholic business owner and if a protestant wants me to cater his/her religious event, I should be able to refuse because in I believe Protestantism is a heresy, and refuse to participate because that would be an endorsement of such heresy.

Same bloody logic.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Both are acceptable. If you object to making a gay marriage cake, you shouldn't have to, no matter the grounds.

So, if I'm a Catholic business owner and if a protestant wants me to cater his/her religious event, I should be able to refuse because in I believe Protestantism is a heresy, and refuse to participate because that would be an endorsement of such heresy.

Same bloody logic.

Yes, you should.

[Cannabis Islands]

So, if I'm a Catholic business owner and if a protestant wants me to cater his/her religious event, I should be able to refuse because in I believe Protestantism is a heresy, and refuse to participate because that would be an endorsement of such heresy.

Same bloody logic.

Yes, you should.

But in the U.S, that would be illegal. While a person can be fried from a job for just being gay in most of the country, and this can be a job that is secular on nautre. Why should the religious get protection?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Yes, you should.

But in the U.S, that would be illegal. While a person can be fried from a job for just being gay in most of the country, and this can be a job that is secular on nautre. Why should the religious get protection?

All groups: religions, sexual orientations, races should be given the same protection.

[Cannabis Islands]

But in the U.S, that would be illegal. While a person can be fried from a job for just being gay in most of the country, and this can be a job that is secular on nautre. Why should the religious get protection?

All groups: religions, sexual orientations, races should be given the same protection.

But that is not the case, one is not able to fire someone or refused based on something chosen(religion) but there is no such protections for GLBT people.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

All groups: religions, sexual orientations, races should be given the same protection.

But that is not the case, one is not able to fire someone or refused based on something chosen(religion) but there is no such protections for GLBT people.

Is a person legally allowed to be fired for being gay?

[Cannabis Islands]

But that is not the case, one is not able to fire someone or refused based on something chosen(religion) but there is no such protections for GLBT people.

Is a person legally allowed to be fired for being gay?

In many U.S states, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_empl ... ted_States

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Is a person legally allowed to be fired for being gay?

In many U.S states, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_empl ... ted_States

And his this faced the 14th amendment yet?

[Cannabis Islands]

In many U.S states, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_empl ... ted_States

And his this faced the 14th amendment yet?

Nope, there is no civil rights protections in regards to private sector employment for LGBT people on the federal level.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And his this faced the 14th amendment yet?

Nope, there is no civil rights protections in regards to private sector employment for LGBT people on the federal level.

Wouldn't it come under equal protection?

[MERIZoC]

Nope, there is no civil rights protections in regards to private sector employment for LGBT people on the federal level.

Wouldn't it come under equal protection?

For the record, I think you can fire someone for being heterosexual too, so no.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Wouldn't it come under equal protection?

For the record, I think you can fire someone for being heterosexual too, so no.

Well, that's lovely.

[Cannabis Islands]

Nope, there is no civil rights protections in regards to private sector employment for LGBT people on the federal level.

Wouldn't it come under equal protection?

Sexual orientation is not recognized in the Civil Rights act.

[Diopolis]

Both are acceptable. If you object to making a gay marriage cake, you shouldn't have to, no matter the grounds.

So, if I'm a Catholic business owner and if a protestant wants me to cater his/her religious event, I should be able to refuse because in I believe Protestantism is a heresy, and refuse to participate because that would be an endorsement of such heresy.

Same bloody logic.

Yes, you should. I would further argue that not only should you be able to refuse, you should refuse.

[Cannabis Islands]

So, if I'm a Catholic business owner and if a protestant wants me to cater his/her religious event, I should be able to refuse because in I believe Protestantism is a heresy, and refuse to participate because that would be an endorsement of such heresy.

Same bloody logic.

Yes, you should. I would further argue that not only should you be able to refuse, you should refuse.

Nah, I have no reason to. I care about the money.

[Diopolis]

Yes, you should. I would further argue that not only should you be able to refuse, you should refuse.

Nah, I have no reason to. I care about the money.

I really have no interest in arguing the latter point in this thread, so whatever floats your boat.

[Cannabis Islands]

Nah, I have no reason to. I care about the money.

I really have no interest in arguing the latter point in this thread, so whatever floats your boat.

You are the one that said I should deny service to Protestants.