[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[Atlanticatia]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... te-polling

Bernie's gaining.

[Nusantao]

Joe Biden. We need a President who won't hesitate to drop the F-bomb.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Joe Biden. We need a President who won't hesitate to drop the F-bomb.

Ah, you're looking for another Nixon, then.

[The Alexanderians]

Joe Biden. We need a President who won't hesitate to drop the F-bomb.

Ah, you're looking for another Nixon, then.

Scandals, scandals everywhere.

[New Jerzylvania]

Joe Biden. We need a President who won't hesitate to drop the F-bomb.

Ah, you're looking for another Nixon, then.

I wouldn't be too sure that's what he is looking for. Nixon was a republican. Maybe he's in need of an LBJ type.

[Atlanticatia]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... th-clinton Bernie gains again...

[Geilinor]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246224-poll-finds-sanders-in-statistical-tie-with-clinton Bernie gains again...

5.2% is a massive margin of error, but he does seem to be gaining.

[Papal Republics]

Someone who supports a bipartisan universal health care plan, meaningful welfare reform, etc. My support lies with Clinton as she is the closest one in both parties to my policy beliefs, but overall what we need is a Purple Democrat or Republican willing to bridge both sides together.

[Atlanticatia]

Someone who supports a bipartisan universal health care plan, meaningful welfare reform, etc. My support lies with Clinton as she is the closest one in both parties to my policy beliefs, but overall what we need is a Purple Democrat or Republican willing to bridge both sides together.

A bipartisan health care plan is not going to happen.

Obamacare is already a GOP and Heritage Foundation-developed health care plan.

[Oneracon]

Bernie, for the love of god.

[Wolfenia]

Bernie, for the love of god.

B-but isn't he one of those evil god hating socialists?

Whoops, wrong thread, my mistake. You may carry on.

[Vurran]

Biden, ideally, but it doesn't seem like that will be happening. He's basically the perfect VP so I would love for him to keep doing that...

I think O'Malley would be my second choice. Clinton's good too. Meh.

[Arlenton]

Someone who supports a bipartisan universal health care plan, meaningful welfare reform, etc. My support lies with Clinton as she is the closest one in both parties to my policy beliefs, but overall what we need is a Purple Democrat or Republican willing to bridge both sides together.

Bipartisan as in Democrats and the Green party?

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Because somebody who can work with bboth parties is a bad thing, obviously.

That depends what policies they pass in Congress. I doubt it was a good thing when they voted on both sides to renew the "Patriot" Act.

I like Bernie Sanders but to be realistic he a really low chance of winning the election. He has a good shot at winning the Democratic Primary but most centrists/moderate Republicans won't swing towards him. Based on what I've managed to get from my Republican friends, a lot of the younger Republicans (Social/econ = liberal, domestic/foreign = conservative) actually lean towards him but "rank and file" republicans/centrists see him as a socialist (personally I don't think Bernie = Socialist when compared with Euro Socialists, he seems more progressive).
Idk i fear that he might appear too radical and possibly alienate moderate democrats as well if the Republicans somehow manage to field a right wing leaning centrist (which is unlikely).
However I think that if the Republicans also elect someone leaning to the extremes of the American political spectrum then Bernie will probably win

I don't know about that, we're still a long ways until the election season really gets underway. Bernie's already tailgating Hillary and polls show a vast majority of Americas highly favor socialism. This is more than enough to make Reagan roll in his grave while his head explodes left and right.

[Geilinor]

Because somebody who can work with bboth parties is a bad thing, obviously.

That depends what policies they pass in Congress. I doubt it was a good thing when they voted on both sides to renew the "Patriot" Act.

I like Bernie Sanders but to be realistic he a really low chance of winning the election. He has a good shot at winning the Democratic Primary but most centrists/moderate Republicans won't swing towards him. Based on what I've managed to get from my Republican friends, a lot of the younger Republicans (Social/econ = liberal, domestic/foreign = conservative) actually lean towards him but "rank and file" republicans/centrists see him as a socialist (personally I don't think Bernie = Socialist when compared with Euro Socialists, he seems more progressive).
Idk i fear that he might appear too radical and possibly alienate moderate democrats as well if the Republicans somehow manage to field a right wing leaning centrist (which is unlikely).
However I think that if the Republicans also elect someone leaning to the extremes of the American political spectrum then Bernie will probably win

I don't know about that, we're still a long ways until the election season really gets underway. Bernie's already tailgating Hillary and polls show a vast majority of Americas highly favor socialism. This is more than enough to make Reagan roll in his grave while his head explodes left and right.

Source, please. You don't have to be a socialist to support Bernie either.

[MERIZoC]

That depends what policies they pass in Congress. I doubt it was a good thing when they voted on both sides to renew the "Patriot" Act.


I don't know about that, we're still a long ways until the election season really gets underway. Bernie's already tailgating Hillary and polls show a vast majority of Americas highly favor socialism. This is more than enough to make Reagan roll in his grave while his head explodes left and right.

Source, please. You don't have to be a socialist to support Bernie either.

Exactly. Bernie supports Bernie.

[Geilinor]

Source, please. You don't have to be a socialist to support Bernie either.

Bernie supports Bernie.

Huh?

[MERIZoC]

Bernie supports Bernie.

Huh?

Just a small joke on how he isn't really a socialist.

[Arlenton]

Because somebody who can work with bboth parties is a bad thing, obviously.

That depends what policies they pass in Congress. I doubt it was a good thing when they voted on both sides to renew the "Patriot" Act.

I like Bernie Sanders but to be realistic he a really low chance of winning the election. He has a good shot at winning the Democratic Primary but most centrists/moderate Republicans won't swing towards him. Based on what I've managed to get from my Republican friends, a lot of the younger Republicans (Social/econ = liberal, domestic/foreign = conservative) actually lean towards him but "rank and file" republicans/centrists see him as a socialist (personally I don't think Bernie = Socialist when compared with Euro Socialists, he seems more progressive).
Idk i fear that he might appear too radical and possibly alienate moderate democrats as well if the Republicans somehow manage to field a right wing leaning centrist (which is unlikely).
However I think that if the Republicans also elect someone leaning to the extremes of the American political spectrum then Bernie will probably win

I don't know about that, we're still a long ways until the election season really gets underway. Bernie's already tailgating Hillary and polls show a vast majority of Americas highly favor socialism. This is more than enough to make Reagan roll in his grave while his head explodes left and right.

Bernie will not be able to win, unless his opponent is someone like Palin. He has the Democratic base and some activist support but not much else.

[Diopolis]

That depends what policies they pass in Congress. I doubt it was a good thing when they voted on both sides to renew the "Patriot" Act.


I don't know about that, we're still a long ways until the election season really gets underway. Bernie's already tailgating Hillary and polls show a vast majority of Americas highly favor socialism. This is more than enough to make Reagan roll in his grave while his head explodes left and right.

Bernie will not be able to win, unless his opponent is someone like Palin. He has the Democratic base and some activist support but not much else.

Bernie can win if his opponent is Perry or Trump or any number of other fanatics with difficulty appealing to anyone. Against a reasonable, smart candidate like Rubio or Walker or maybe Bush he'd have a harder time, but his electoral advantage might let him win if he runs an excellent campaign.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Someone who supports a bipartisan universal health care plan, meaningful welfare reform, etc. My support lies with Clinton as she is the closest one in both parties to my policy beliefs, but overall what we need is a Purple Democrat or Republican willing to bridge both sides together.

Bipartisan as in Democrats and the Green party?

I'd prefer bipartisan as in Socialists and Communists, but that's good too.

[New Werpland]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-25/bernie-sanders-gains-on-hillary-clinton-in-bloomberg-early-state-polling

Bernie's gaining.

I'm ready for Jeb.

[Arlenton]

Bernie will not be able to win, unless his opponent is someone like Palin. He has the Democratic base and some activist support but not much else.

Bernie can win if his opponent is Perry or Trump or any number of other fanatics with difficulty appealing to anyone. Against a reasonable, smart candidate like Rubio or Walker or maybe Bush he'd have a harder time, but his electoral advantage might let him win if he runs an excellent campaign.

I really don't see how Sanders would be able to win a general election, against a legit GOP candidate. Like at all. A candidate like Sanders will not be able to get the moderate vote on his side, which if I'm not mistaken every Democratic candidate has done since 1992, even Kerry. The further left candidates have recently been getting less of the minority vote in Democratic primaries than the establishment candidates, Obama in 2008 was the exception for obvious reasons. Knowing this, Sanders would likely have a harder time motivating minorities in the general election than someone like Hillary or O'Malley. With the possibility of Jeb as the Republican nominee, Sanders can't afford any loss in Hispanic support given Jeb's brother got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 (If the Republican nominee keeps Romney's 53% of the white vote and gets back Bush's 44% in the Hispanic vote, they win California). A Sanders campaign would be annihilated when it comes to fundraising, he would lose a bunch of corporate donors who have in the past supported Democrats and would motivate GOP donors to give the Republican candidate record breaking sums. Something similar to this happened in 1972, except this time Sanders is an outspoken democratic socialist and the corporations will not be punished thanks to CU. I really wouldn't be surprised if the GOP candidate comes up with nearly $2 Billion. Also the fact that a democratic socialist is on the Democratic ticket would basically motivate every Republican to get to the polls, and would make moderate Democrats hesitate. Considering Bush in 2004 got more votes in Ohio than Obama did in 2012, that could be a serious problem for a Sanders campaign. I am comfortable making the prediction that against an establishment Republican, Sanders has no chance.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Bernie can win if his opponent is Perry or Trump or any number of other fanatics with difficulty appealing to anyone. Against a reasonable, smart candidate like Rubio or Walker or maybe Bush he'd have a harder time, but his electoral advantage might let him win if he runs an excellent campaign.

I don't know about that, Hillary has more skeletons in her closet than he does. The only opponent Bernie has to go up against is the money, Lebowski.

I really don't see how Sanders would be able to win a general election, against a legit GOP candidate. Like at all.

Polls show he's doing fine so far early in this game.

The further left candidates have recently been getting less of the minority vote in Democratic primaries than the establishment candidates, Obama in 2008 was the exception for obvious reasons. Knowing this, Sanders would likely have a harder time motivating minorities in the general election than someone like Hillary or O'Malley.

It's all about the money, Lebowski.

With the possibility of Jeb as the Republican nominee, Sanders can't afford any loss in Hispanic support given Jeb's brother got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 (If the Republican nominee keeps Romney's 53% of the white vote and gets back Bush's 44% in the Hispanic vote, they win California).

Maybe back in 2004, but this is a decade later and Jeb ain't doing better with the Latino votes at all, LOL.

A Sanders campaign would be annihilated when it comes to fundraising, he would lose a bunch of corporate donors who have in the past supported Democrats and would motivate GOP donors to give the Republican candidate record breaking sums. Something similar to this happened in 1972, except this time Sanders is an outspoken democratic socialist and the corporations will not be punished thanks to CU. I really wouldn't be surprised if the GOP candidate comes up with nearly $2 Billion. Also the fact that a democratic socialist is on the Democratic ticket would basically motivate every Republican to get to the polls, and would make moderate Democrats hesitate.

That's all it takes to destroy any integrity Sanders have if he accepted Corporate donors. And then Americans would be stuck with the same bullshit again!

Considering Bush in 2004 got more votes in Ohio than Obama did in 2012, that could be a serious problem for a Sanders campaign. I am comfortable making the prediction that against an establishment Republican, Sanders has no chance.

Sounds like you might be underestimating Sanders just like those who underestimated Obama in 2008. Even the Established News Media had to grudgingly acknowledge his presence, one they never wanted to do, but his popularity is skyrocketing and is just behind Hillary.

[MERIZoC]

Bipartisan as in Democrats and the Green party?

I'd prefer bipartisan as in Socialists and Communists, but that's good too.

That's not terribly specific, given the dozens of Socialist and Communist parties.