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Who Do You Support In The Democratic Primaries?

Hillary Clinton
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18%
Bernie Sanders
260
82%
 
Total votes : 316

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Marylandonia
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Postby Marylandonia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:40 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Want to prevent another Republican disaster presidency and continue to move forward for the good of all our people?

Vote for whomever the Democrats nominate.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:07 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:So.... Hillary Clinton's staffers used a rope to corral journalists....that's a thing. It's getting easier to understand why the independent press hates her.

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Won't see Sanders doing shit like that


I don't see a problem. Stopping reporters mobbing the candidate or her audience seems like a good idea.

They're not being stopped from reporting on the events, they're not having their output controlled or suppressed...
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:38 pm

Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
Bearon wrote:
I know that I meant could you question me on them so we can determine the candidate best suited for me?


Want a candidate to pragmatically raise wages, maintain health reform, advocate for a strong foreign policy, defend Wall Street regulations, and protect labor rights?

Vote Clinton.

Lolno.

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Postby Roosevelt and Truman » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:49 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
Want a candidate to pragmatically raise wages, maintain health reform, advocate for a strong foreign policy, defend Wall Street regulations, and protect labor rights?

Vote Clinton.

Lolno.


As I've said repeatedly, Sanders will alienate moderate Democrats (not everyone in the party is a Warren), and will not be able to get any of his policies passed in Congress regardless of party control. Clinton would be very productive with the New Dems and might be able to squeeze a few deals with the GOP.

Despite the huge fervor that Sanders is generating (speaking as someone who respects the man), the majority of Americans might not be willing to go as far as he wants. Clinton on the other hand has centrist policies that voters not harping on Benghzi will appreciate more.
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Postby United facist States of America » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:30 pm

Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Lolno.


As I've said repeatedly, Sanders will alienate moderate Democrats (not everyone in the party is a Warren), and will not be able to get any of his policies passed in Congress regardless of party control. Clinton would be very productive with the New Dems and might be able to squeeze a few deals with the GOP.

Despite the huge fervor that Sanders is generating (speaking as someone who respects the man), the majority of Americans might not be willing to go as far as he wants. Clinton on the other hand has centrist policies that voters not harping on Benghzi will appreciate more.

Why will he alienate voters?
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:31 pm

United facist States of America wrote:
Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
As I've said repeatedly, Sanders will alienate moderate Democrats (not everyone in the party is a Warren), and will not be able to get any of his policies passed in Congress regardless of party control. Clinton would be very productive with the New Dems and might be able to squeeze a few deals with the GOP.

Despite the huge fervor that Sanders is generating (speaking as someone who respects the man), the majority of Americans might not be willing to go as far as he wants. Clinton on the other hand has centrist policies that voters not harping on Benghzi will appreciate more.

Why will he alienate voters?

Most voters aren't as left-wing as Sanders - Clinton is straight in the middle of the American political spectrum and people have known about her for decades. The Democrats would have to be silly not to nominate her.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:33 pm

Geilinor wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:Why will he alienate voters?

Most voters aren't as left-wing as Sanders - Clinton is straight in the middle of the American political spectrum and people have known about her for decades. The Democrats would have to be silly not to nominate her.

And sanders has a moronic enviromental plan. Get rid of nuclear, build coal, you know, the same thing that Ms. Merkel did.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:35 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most voters aren't as left-wing as Sanders - Clinton is straight in the middle of the American political spectrum and people have known about her for decades. The Democrats would have to be silly not to nominate her.

And sanders has a moronic enviromental plan. Get rid of nuclear, build coal, you know, the same thing that Ms. Merkel did.

I like energiewendie or whatever it's called, but it's really dumb how people just throw away Nuclear.

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Postby Byrrazan » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:36 pm

Where are all these percentages coming from? Where is the test? (If there is one)
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Postby Roma Byzantina » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:23 pm

Without our FPTP voting system I'd definitely vote for Sanders (Or a SPUSA candidate but that's a story for another time) but for now I'd have to give my vote for Hillary. She's the best candidate the Democrats have against the Republicans and TBH the biggest factor in the Democratic Primary is how good they can poll against Republican candidates.
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:24 pm

Geilinor wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:Why will he alienate voters?

Most voters aren't as left-wing as Sanders - Clinton is straight in the middle of the American political spectrum and people have known about her for decades. The Democrats would have to be silly not to nominate her.


The thing is why do some middle and working class people think when one says they are going to raise taxes on the very rich, that means there taxes are going up?
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Postby United facist States of America » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:26 pm

Geilinor wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:Why will he alienate voters?

Most voters aren't as left-wing as Sanders - Clinton is straight in the middle of the American political spectrum and people have known about her for decades. The Democrats would have to be silly not to nominate her.

That seems strange to me since the majority of voters in Sweden are further left wing than him but I understand that americans are more conservative.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:26 pm

Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Lolno.


As I've said repeatedly, Sanders will alienate moderate Democrats (not everyone in the party is a Warren), and will not be able to get any of his policies passed in Congress regardless of party control. Clinton would be very productive with the New Dems and might be able to squeeze a few deals with the GOP.

Despite the huge fervor that Sanders is generating (speaking as someone who respects the man), the majority of Americans might not be willing to go as far as he wants. Clinton on the other hand has centrist policies that voters not harping on Benghzi will appreciate more.

You're presuming that the GOP is capable of compromise.
Have you not been paying attention the last 8 years.

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:27 pm

United facist States of America wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most voters aren't as left-wing as Sanders - Clinton is straight in the middle of the American political spectrum and people have known about her for decades. The Democrats would have to be silly not to nominate her.

That seems strange to me since the majority of voters in Sweden are further left wing than him but I understand that americans are more conservative.


Hon, Thatcherism is viewed as center-left in America.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:28 pm

Roma Byzantina wrote:Without our FPTP voting system I'd definitely vote for Sanders (Or a SPUSA candidate but that's a story for another time) but for now I'd have to give my vote for Hillary. She's the best candidate the Democrats have against the Republicans and TBH the biggest factor in the Democratic Primary is how good they can poll against Republican candidates.

Honestly, the democrats' electoral advantage is such that they could probably nominate whomever they want short of the reincarnation of L. Ron Hubbard and have a reasonable chance of winning.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:29 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:That seems strange to me since the majority of voters in Sweden are further left wing than him but I understand that americans are more conservative.


Hon, Thatcherism is viewed as center-left in America.

Reagan was as close to Thatcherism as America ever got and he was not center-left.
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:33 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Roma Byzantina wrote:Without our FPTP voting system I'd definitely vote for Sanders (Or a SPUSA candidate but that's a story for another time) but for now I'd have to give my vote for Hillary. She's the best candidate the Democrats have against the Republicans and TBH the biggest factor in the Democratic Primary is how good they can poll against Republican candidates.

Honestly, the democrats' electoral advantage is such that they could probably nominate whomever they want short of the reincarnation of L. Ron Hubbard and have a reasonable chance of winning.


Well let's be honest, the GOP needs to realize that social conservatism does not resinate with voters. What the fuck they are going to about all those "fag loving" young Republicans?
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Postby United facist States of America » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:35 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:That seems strange to me since the majority of voters in Sweden are further left wing than him but I understand that americans are more conservative.


Hon, Thatcherism is viewed as center-left in America.

Seriously. They must consider socialism far left we've got an alliance of a socialist and a communist party in power.
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:35 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Cannabis Islands wrote:
Hon, Thatcherism is viewed as center-left in America.

Reagan was as close to Thatcherism as America ever got and he was not center-left.


I disagree. And your comparing apples to oranges. Regan deregulated and Thatcher privatized state-owned companies. And Thatcher did not dismatle the NHS.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:37 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Reagan was as close to Thatcherism as America ever got and he was not center-left.


I disagree. And your comparing apples to oranges. Regan deregulated and Thatcher privatized state-owned companies. And Thatcher did not dismatle the NHS.

My point is that among Americans who know about Thatcher, most don't think of her as center-left.
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:41 pm

United facist States of America wrote:
Cannabis Islands wrote:
Hon, Thatcherism is viewed as center-left in America.

Seriously. They must consider socialism far left we've got an alliance of a socialist and a communist party in power.


We have no national insurance for the general population, no guaranteed vacation, very little maternity leave, no guarantee six days, a shit minimum wage, college expensive as fuck and leaves young people into debt up to their eyeballs.
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Postby United facist States of America » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:50 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:Seriously. They must consider socialism far left we've got an alliance of a socialist and a communist party in power.


We have no national insurance for the general population, no guaranteed vacation, very little maternity leave, no guarantee six days, a shit minimum wage, college expensive as fuck and leaves young people into debt up to their eyeballs.

We have guaranteed vacation, not only do we have much maternity leave but we've got paternity leave to and college is free. I'm not sure about the other things.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:33 pm

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:42 pm

Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Lolno.


As I've said repeatedly, Sanders will alienate moderate Democrats (not everyone in the party is a Warren), and will not be able to get any of his policies passed in Congress regardless of party control. Clinton would be very productive with the New Dems and might be able to squeeze a few deals with the GOP.

Despite the huge fervor that Sanders is generating (speaking as someone who respects the man), the majority of Americans might not be willing to go as far as he wants. Clinton on the other hand has centrist policies that voters not harping on Benghzi will appreciate more.

Obama's managed to get a decent amount done with the Republicans opposing literally everything he does.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:47 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Honestly, the democrats' electoral advantage is such that they could probably nominate whomever they want short of the reincarnation of L. Ron Hubbard and have a reasonable chance of winning.


Well let's be honest, the GOP needs to realize that social conservatism does not resinate with voters. What the fuck they are going to about all those "fag loving" young Republicans?

Call them RINOs and force them away from the party. The GOP has no idea how to win an election.
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