[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[New Jerzylvania]

Having talked with some Sander's supporters on NSG and FB, in all honesty... it does not surprise me.

I'm a bit annoyed to say that it doesn't surprise me, either. Whatever one may think of Bernie, he deserves better representation than that.

LOL. So does pretty much anything and everything that gets discussed ad nauseum on the internet.... annoying is par for the course.

[Ashlak]

Democratic Party affiliation drops to an all time low. If it make you feel better Republicans are not doing any better.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 95453.html
While it is nice to see the parties dying it will make them more extreme.

I will admit to feeling some schadenfreude at this news.

[AiliailiA]

"Bernie Sanders is a socialist. I think Bernie Sanders is a good candidate for President ... of Sweden"

Nice quip Marco. Sweden doesn't have a President tho.

[Samnoreg]

"Bernie Sanders is a socialist. I think Bernie Sanders is a good candidate for President ... of Sweden"

Nice quip Marco. Sweden doesn't have a President tho.

Heja till Förenta Staterna av Sverige \(ö)/

[New Rogernomics]

I've found a new dislike for The Washington Post, Salon, and a few other media sources. Removed my likes and their news from my Facebook feed. It's my way of saying that their journalism is terrible this election cycle.

In regards to the election process, prefer Bernie Sanders, but that doesn't mean I'm not skeptical about a lot of his policies. If Clinton becomes the nominee though, most of the people I know are going to do a write in, not vote, or vote Trump.

The media keep pushing this fantasy general election where all Democrats will blindly vote for Clinton if Bernie Sanders loses. In reality, most Bernie Sanders supporters will stop engaging with the political process, switch party, or even not vote. Same could be the case with Hillary Clinton supporters, who will not be able to deal with voting for Bernie Sanders.

For me it is Sanders, or Jill of Green Party. I don't vote for the 'lesser evil', or the 'greater evil'. The whole process this time around reeks of 'OBEY THE PARTY!' rather than vote with your heart and for who you truly believe would be good for America.

If you're currently supporting Sanders, and are even considering Trump as a vague possibility if he doesn't get the nod, then you do not have a single fucking clue as to what Bernie's campaign is about.

Thanks for dishonestly [mis]-representing my post. I never said I was going to support Trump, rather that other people (as in not me) were considering it.

[New Rogernomics]

I've found a new dislike for The Washington Post, Salon, and a few other media sources. Removed my likes and their news from my Facebook feed. It's my way of saying that their journalism is terrible this election cycle.

In regards to the election process, prefer Bernie Sanders, but that doesn't mean I'm not skeptical about a lot of his policies. If Clinton becomes the nominee though, most of the people I know are going to do a write in, not vote, or vote Trump.

If Sanders supporters vote Trump just because they didn't get Bernie - and Trump wins - it will be your fault. Luckily, most Bernie supporters aren't that spiteful.

Thanks for dishonestly re-enforcing the mis-representation of my post. I never said I was going to support Trump, I said that people I know were considering it.

Is this one of those 'guilt by association' things, where because your neighbor is considering voting Trump, you are declared a Trump supporter?

Let me hopefully trigger your memory on the US election process...

Not every state or county in America is swing electorate, meaning some are actually vast majority Democratic - as in there is virtually no chance of a candidate not being elected in the general election by that electorate.

Even if I were to not vote, vote Democratic, or vote Republican, Clinton or Bernie would still be elected by my electorate.

So why do you hate third parties so much? I said I might consider voting Jill in the Green Party, nowhere in my post about me supporting Trump at all.

[Khadgar]

What Happens if Bernie Wins Iowa, answer, not much, but if he loses Iowa he's probably toast.

[Trumpostan]

"Bernie Sanders is a socialist. I think Bernie Sanders is a good candidate for President ... of Sweden"

Nice quip Marco. Sweden doesn't have a President tho.

Especially when nearly all GOP candidates are in my opinion fascists who would make good prime ministers of Italy...

... in 1936.

[Jimmy Carter]

I could take on Old Bern with a peanut.

[Geilinor]

If Sanders supporters vote Trump just because they didn't get Bernie - and Trump wins - it will be your fault. Luckily, most Bernie supporters aren't that spiteful.

Thanks for dishonestly re-enforcing the mis-representation of my post. I never said I was going to support Trump, I said that people I know were considering it.

Is this one of those 'guilt by association' things, where because your neighbor is considering voting Trump, you are declared a Trump supporter?

I didn't say that you were a Trump supporter, I was talking about Sanders supporters who think that's a reasonable option.

[Arkinesia]

"Bernie Sanders is a socialist. I think Bernie Sanders is a good candidate for President ... of Sweden"

Nice quip Marco. Sweden doesn't have a President tho.

Also, Sweden is not really a socialist country. So there's that.

[Geilinor]

Democratic Party affiliation drops to an all time low. If it make you feel better Republicans are not doing any better.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 95453.html
While it is nice to see the parties dying it will make them more extreme.

"Last gasp of political parties" is a bit extreme. The parties as they are are unpopular but eventually they will realize that they need independents. And most people who identify as independents still have a preference.

[New Rogernomics]

Thanks for dishonestly re-enforcing the mis-representation of my post. I never said I was going to support Trump, I said that people I know were considering it.

Is this one of those 'guilt by association' things, where because your neighbor is considering voting Trump, you are declared a Trump supporter?

I didn't say that you were a Trump supporter, I was talking about Sanders supporters who think that's a reasonable option.

What you posted made out like it was 'my fault' if Trump was elected, and that I was 'spiteful'.

You probably should have used 'they' or 'them' instead of 'you', as that comes across as personal as opposed to mentioning another group.

[New Rogernomics]

What Happens if Bernie Wins Iowa, answer, not much, but if he loses Iowa he's probably toast.

Think Bernie supporters will hyperventilate, and need a glass of water perhaps, if that happens. In my case, I was registered Green last election, so I am skeptical as well as curious about him.

[Conserative Morality]

What Happens if Bernie Wins Iowa, answer, not much, but if he loses Iowa he's probably toast.

I agree that if he loses Iowa things will be looking pretty bad, but I really hate the drumbeat about white liberals like it's some insurmountable wall, considering that Bernie's favorability rating with minorities is around where Clinton's is.

[Khadgar]

What Happens if Bernie Wins Iowa, answer, not much, but if he loses Iowa he's probably toast.

I agree that if he loses Iowa things will be looking pretty bad, but I really hate the drumbeat about white liberals like it's some insurmountable wall, considering that Bernie's favorability rating with minorities is around where Clinton's is.

Can you link to a relatively recent poll? Be interested in seeing one. I've only heard about him doing rather more poorly with minorities.

[Conserative Morality]

I agree that if he loses Iowa things will be looking pretty bad, but I really hate the drumbeat about white liberals like it's some insurmountable wall, considering that Bernie's favorability rating with minorities is around where Clinton's is.

Can you link to a relatively recent poll? Be interested in seeing one. I've only heard about him doing rather more poorly with minorities.

Sure thing. Not a big CNN fan, but it's the 25th and looks pretty in-line with other polls. Pages 45/46 are favorability ratings for Bernie and Hillary. They both have a net favorability rating around +34% with nonwhite voters.

[New Chalcedon]

What Happens if Bernie Wins Iowa, answer, not much, but if he loses Iowa he's probably toast.

Flip that question - Hillary's campaign has spent virtually all of its money in Iowa and New Hampshire, tens of millions of dollars so far. What if, despite all that, she still loses both States? And she will lose in New Hampshire - that's accepted by virtually everyone as a given at this point.

[Khadgar]

Can you link to a relatively recent poll? Be interested in seeing one. I've only heard about him doing rather more poorly with minorities.

Sure thing. Not a big CNN fan, but it's the 25th and looks pretty in-line with other polls. Pages 45/46 are favorability ratings for Bernie and Hillary. They both have a net favorability rating around +34% with nonwhite voters.

Page 33 of the PDF has the important question at the top, which I'd copy/paste here if the formatting wasn't fucking awful. Non-white voters support Clinton 58% to Bernie's 34%

What Happens if Bernie Wins Iowa, answer, not much, but if he loses Iowa he's probably toast.

Flip that question - Hillary's campaign has spent virtually all of its money in Iowa and New Hampshire, tens of millions of dollars so far. What if, despite all that, she still loses both States? And she will lose in New Hampshire - that's accepted by virtually everyone as a given at this point.

The article addresses what happens if Hillary loses the first two states, again the answer is "Not much".

[Conserative Morality]

Page 33 of the PDF has the important question at the top, which I'd copy/paste here if the formatting wasn't fucking awful. Non-white voters support Clinton 58% to Bernie's 34%

Currently, yes. But that's climbed quite a bit from previous polls and positive favorability ratings would seem to me to heavily influence the ability of one candidate to 'steal' votes from another, particularly considering the high priority of electability in this cycle giving Hillary an edge currently and Sanders' lagging recognition rate giving more room for him to expand his voter base.

I didn't say that the Sanders campaign was in lala land with minorities. I just said I hate it when Sanders' campaign is talked about like it can't muster support past white middle-class liberals, like minorities are some insurmountable wall rather than hotly contested demographics.

[Northern Davincia]

"Bernie Sanders is a socialist. I think Bernie Sanders is a good candidate for President ... of Sweden"

Nice quip Marco. Sweden doesn't have a President tho.

Especially when nearly all GOP candidates are in my opinion fascists who would make good prime ministers of Italy...

... in 1936.

The only fascist I see in my party is Trump. Either that or you don't know the definition of fascism.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If you're currently supporting Sanders, and are even considering Trump as a vague possibility if he doesn't get the nod, then you do not have a single fucking clue as to what Bernie's campaign is about.

Thanks for dishonestly [mis]-representing my post. I never said I was going to support Trump, rather that other people (as in not me) were considering it.

A necessary lesson in colloquial grammar.

[Novus America]

Democratic Party affiliation drops to an all time low. If it make you feel better Republicans are not doing any better.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 95453.html
While it is nice to see the parties dying it will make them more extreme.

"Last gasp of political parties" is a bit extreme. The parties as they are are unpopular but eventually they will realize that they need independents. And most people who identify as independents still have a preference.

I hope you are wrong. I do not want the parties to reform. I want them to die.

[Martean]

Democratic Party affiliation drops to an all time low. If it make you feel better Republicans are not doing any better.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 95453.html
While it is nice to see the parties dying it will make them more extreme.

This is happening everywhere on the world, though

[Valrifell]

"Last gasp of political parties" is a bit extreme. The parties as they are are unpopular but eventually they will realize that they need independents. And most people who identify as independents still have a preference.

I hope you are wrong. I do not want the parties to reform. I want them to die.

So then they collapse entirely. All those unaffiliated politicians have to go somewhere, it's only natural that two more giamt political parties will form should the Democrats and Republicans fail.