Climategate II: The Sequel

[Neu Mitanni]

Yet another flaw in the IPCC's "global warming" report has come to light, as a scientist has admitted using unverified data to support a "Himalaya glaciers are melting!" panic:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ified.html

Not only was the data unverified, but it was used to advance a political agenda:

The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.

“It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.”

(Emphasis added)

So: how many more revelations like this will it take before “global warming” takes its place next to astrology, phrenology, vitalism, phlogiston and other discredited theories?

[Blitzkrenia]

To some, it's already been done. To others, never.

[The Imperial Navy]

Global warming has become like a religion. Even if it's disproved, some people will always believe it.

[Hydesland]

...here we go.

[The Imperial Navy]

...here we go.

Lets dance.

[Lackadaisical2]

This gun' be good.

Popcorn anyone?

[Rhodmhire]

So: how many more revelations like this will it take before “global warming” takes its place next to astrology, phrenology, vitalism, phlogiston and other discredited theories?

You don't even have to buy into the political inferno that is what the radicals spout out of their lips to view such a comparison of natural climate fluctuation to discredited pseudosciences and "theories" as utterly imbecilic.

Global warming has been happening probably since the Earth first had climate--it's not even bound just to Earth itself--to compare it to phrenology and astrology, to call it a "theory," as if we don't know it has happened, might be happening, and will continue to happen, or that it exists to begin with, is utterly idiotic, and should be viewed as such no matter where you're sitting around the table.

[Hydesland]

This gun' be good.

Popcorn anyone?

I'm ok for now dude!

[Andertion]

Global warming has become like a religion. Even if it's disproved, some people will always believe it.

Sad but true. It was actually warmer in the 1400's.

[Bavin]

New Rule: People must be prohibited from using gate as a suffix implying a political disaster on pain of death.

Especially fake disasters.

[The Imperial Navy]

My gate was bugged.

It's GATEGATE

[Rhodmhire]

...here we go.

Take off that hat, not only did the fat man return to his 364 day vampiric slumber a month ago, but I want you to get frostbite on those delicious ears of yours.

...Ha, I can see how that could be funny with the topic premise of...yeah...

[Blitzkrenia]

This gun' be good.

Popcorn anyone?

I'm ok for now dude!

Not enough.

[Bavin]

If its kettle corn, there's never enough.

[Hydesland]

Take off that hat, not only did the fat man return to his 364 day vampiric slumber a month ago, but I want you to get frostbite on those delicious ears of yours.

Too lazy

[Bavin]

So: how many more revelations like this will it take before “global warming” takes its place next to astrology, phrenology, vitalism, phlogiston and other discredited theories?

You don't even have to buy into the political inferno that is what the radicals spout out of their lips to view such a comparison of natural climate fluctuation to discredited pseudosciences and "theories" as utterly imbecilic.

Global warming has been happening probably since the Earth first had climate--it's not even bound just to Earth itself--to compare it to phrenology and astrology, to call it a "theory," as if we don't know it has happened, might be happening, and will continue to happen, or that it exists to begin with, is utterly idiotic, and should be viewed as such no matter where you're sitting around the table.

I agree with Rhodmhire, human caused or not, there is irrevocable evidence for climate change.

[Chumblywumbly]

...phlogiston...

Oxygen is a myth!

Teach the controversy!

[SaintB]

Its cold in some places so obviously global warming isn't happening! - The Opposition

I don't give a shit if people call it Global Warming, Global Climate Change, or Al Gore's Wet Dream. The truth of the matter is; something is happening and it is not good. The Polar Ice caps are melting, as they melt they lower the ocean's temperature and raise the level of the ocean even by a small fraction. Already massive storms of unrivaled intensity are becoming more and more common; in other places the weather is changing some places get colder and dryer, some places hotter and wetter, and some get a combination thereof (where I live we are getting warmer shorter wetter winters and cooler dryer longer summers, its already affecting farms). Entire nations are being lost to the ocean as the tides raise, and there is an entire segment of the world that doesn't give a damn. That in itself would not be so alarming if not for the fact that they almost to an individual adamantly oppose the idea that anything is actually happening or calmly state that the changes will only end up being beneficial since we will enjoy the rising temperatures.

It reminds me of the movie Erik the Viking when the Island of Hy-Brasil is sinking and the residents refuse to accept the fact because "You don't know the safety protocols."

It doesn't matter about what politics you ascribe to, whether or not its man-made, or whether or not you care. ITS FUCKING HAPPENING.

[Free Soviets]

hmm, weird that nobody actually commented on the weirdness of the whole paragraph. i mean, honestly?

Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world (see Table 10.9) and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate. Its total area will likely shrink from 500,000 to 100,000 km2 by the year 2035 (WWF, 2005).

but if you check the comments, it was mainly just overlooked, and the only substantive comments were aimed more at the fact that some of the glaciers in the region are growing due to changed weather patterns.

well, you caught us, denialists. one poorly sourced, oddly written paragraph and our entire climate conspiracy is undone.

oh, btw, 2009 was the second hottest year on record, and the past decade was hotter than the one before, which was hotter than the one before that, etc. but keep digging for those typos, super sleuths.

[Drachmar]

This gun' be good.

Popcorn anyone?

Yes pleeze!

[Free Soviets]

Sad but true. It was actually warmer in the 1400's.

evidence?

[Barringtonia]

well, you caught us, denialists. one poorly sourced, oddly written paragraph and our entire climate conspiracy is undone.

Oddly enough, the correlation of those who have utter faith in a book so completely riddled with illogical statements, completely contradictory information and more with those who deny the basic, unquestionable facts of global warming...

Well, it's a weird disconnect, that's for sure.

[Drachmar]

well, you caught us, denialists. one poorly sourced, oddly written paragraph and our entire climate conspiracy is undone.

Oddly enough, the correlation of those who have utter faith in a book so completely riddled with illogical statements, completely contradictory information and more with those who deny the basic, unquestionable facts of global warming...

Well, it's a weird disconnect, that's for sure.

I thought you were talking about the Bible for a second.

[Rolling squid]

Its cold in some places so obviously global warming isn't happening! - The Opposition

I don't give a shit if people call it Global Warming, Global Climate Change, or Al Gore's Wet Dream. The truth of the matter is; something is happening and it is not good. The Polar Ice caps are melting, as they melt they lower the ocean's temperature and raise the level of the ocean even by a small fraction. Already massive storms of unrivaled intensity are becoming more and more common; in other places the weather is changing some places get colder and dryer, some places hotter and wetter, and some get a combination thereof (where I live we are getting warmer shorter wetter winters and cooler dryer longer summers, its already affecting farms). Entire nations are being lost to the ocean as the tides raise, and there is an entire segment of the world that doesn't give a damn. That in itself would not be so alarming if not for the fact that they almost to an individual adamantly oppose the idea that anything is actually happening or calmly state that the changes will only end up being beneficial since we will enjoy the rising temperatures.

It reminds me of the movie Erik the Viking when the Island of Hy-Brasil is sinking and the residents refuse to accept the fact because "You don't know the safety protocols."

It doesn't matter about what politics you ascribe to, whether or not its man-made, or whether or not you care. ITS FUCKING HAPPENING.

Thank you. What I was going to say, in a more eloquent form.

Sad but true. It was actually warmer in the 1400's.

But in the 1400's, the earth didn't have almost seven billion people on it. That's what everyone forgets about global climate change, it doesn't have to melt the ice caps and flood the coast line to kill millions or billions. All it has to do is make the worlds breadbaskets a little bit wetter, or dryer, hotter or colder, either way, and world food production will drop drastically, leading to food shortages, famine, and a whole lot of dead people.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Sad but true. It was actually warmer in the 1400's.

evidence?

Black line gives you the latest available in that graph. Doesn't exactly require a magnifying glass.