Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

never heard of these 2 before, and i don't really give a shit.

she's anything but beautiful tho

[Souseiseki]

i too am a professional truth sayer

[Ifreann]

Then you're wrong, completely and utterly.

source?

I'm sure many have been posted repeatedly throughout this thread. You're welcome to read it and see any argument you might put forth as to the illegitimacy of Caitlyn Jenner's gender identity soundly refuted over and over again.

Honestly, at this point I'm inclined to treat anyone saying that trans people are just sick and delusional like they've said that the Holocaust was a scam by Zionists to get control of Israel.

[Ifreann]

never heard of these 2 before, and i don't really give a shit.

she's anything but beautiful tho

Most of us can only hope to look so good when we're in our 60s.

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i too am a professional truth sayer

Truseiseki.

[Macedom]

source?

I'm sure many have been posted repeatedly throughout this thread. You're welcome to read it and see any argument you might put forth as to the illegitimacy of Caitlyn Jenner's gender identity soundly refuted over and over again.

Honestly, at this point I'm inclined to treat anyone saying that trans people are just sick and delusional like they've said that the Holocaust was a scam by Zionists to get control of Israel.

Why is that?

[Farnhamia]

never heard of these 2 before, and i don't really give a shit.

she's anything but beautiful tho

Most of us can only hope to look so good when we're in our 60s.

True, but a bit of professional make-up wizardry goes a long way. Nevertheless, how a person looks should hardly be the basis on which they're judged. "Oh, sorry, what? You're a transgendered person? No, sorry, according to the Professional Truth Sayers Guidelines For Acceptance, you're far too unattractive to be taken seriously."

[Souseiseki]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

oh god, male horomones, like they don't fucking know that everyone has testosterone and estrogen. lactating like they don't know that men have breast tissue and can sometimes lactate even without growing breasts, which is entirely possible. no ovaries like every woman that was born without them, can't have a period or had them removed isn't a real woman. it's too fucking funny.

e: it's not a coincidence that most if not all of the arguments seem simple, definitive and obvious at first but immediately all apart under even the slightest of scrutiny

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because, saying you are a "professional truth sayer" is like saying you are a "professional couch potato".

Right well i still agree with him

I really don't think you should.

[Prezelly]

I personally think that people who don't identify with their biological sex are mentally ill.
And the OP's comment was kind of funny to read.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

oh god, male horomones, like they don't fucking know that everyone has testosterone and estrogen. lactating like they don't know that men have breast tissue and can sometimes lactate even without growing breasts, which is entirely possible. no ovaries like every woman that was born without them, can't have a period or had them removed isn't a real woman. it's too fucking funny.

I am beginning to believe that the link is, in reality, a piece of satire.

Simply because if it was really true then it'd just be pathetic and sad.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Most of us can only hope to look so good when we're in our 60s.

True, but a bit of professional make-up wizardry goes a long way. Nevertheless, how a person looks should hardly be the basis on which they're judged. "Oh, sorry, what? You're a transgendered person? No, sorry, according to the Professional Truth Sayers Guidelines For Acceptance, you're far too unattractive to be taken seriously."

Isn't the guideline more like "if your boobs are not like those of Anime girls where it covers at least a third of your chest then you can't be taken seriously"?

[Macedom]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

oh god, male horomones, like they don't fucking know that everyone has testosterone and estrogen. lactating like they don't know that men have breast tissue and can sometimes lactate even without growing breasts, which is entirely possible. no ovaries like every woman that was born without them, can't have a period or had them removed isn't a real woman. it's too fucking funny.

e: it's not a coincidence that most if not all of the arguments seem simple, definitive and obvious at first but immediately all apart under even the slightest of scrutiny

Funny cause i could say the same to you

[Herrebrugh]

I personally think that people who don't identify with their biological sex are mentally ill.
And the OP's comment was kind of funny to read.

Well, you're wrong.

[Souseiseki]

oh god, male horomones, like they don't fucking know that everyone has testosterone and estrogen. lactating like they don't know that men have breast tissue and can sometimes lactate even without growing breasts, which is entirely possible. no ovaries like every woman that was born without them, can't have a period or had them removed isn't a real woman. it's too fucking funny.

e: it's not a coincidence that most if not all of the arguments seem simple, definitive and obvious at first but immediately all apart under even the slightest of scrutiny

Funny cause i could say the same to you

fuck it i'm feeling arrogant today. if you think you have the final killing blow, the irrefutable genius that in the probably cumulative 100 years the people in this thread have spent researching every detail of this and countless countless arguments gone through since this forum existence, nay, that decades of debate all over the world, has failed to muster then please, go ahead and enlighten us all.

[Prezelly]

I personally think that people who don't identify with their biological sex are mentally ill.
And the OP's comment was kind of funny to read.

Well, you're wrong.

Why is that?

[Herrebrugh]

Well, you're wrong.

Why is that?

As far as I've read, mental illnesses "...cause[s] mild to severe disturbances in thought and/or behavior, resulting in an inability to cope with life’s ordinary demands and routines."

While it is true that transgenderism can lead to many problems pre-op, after operation many transgenders can simply live normal lives. By which I mean, transgenderism certainly doesn't have to lead to "an inability to cope with life’s ordinary demands and routines", regardless.

[Ifreann]

I'm sure many have been posted repeatedly throughout this thread. You're welcome to read it and see any argument you might put forth as to the illegitimacy of Caitlyn Jenner's gender identity soundly refuted over and over again.

Honestly, at this point I'm inclined to treat anyone saying that trans people are just sick and delusional like they've said that the Holocaust was a scam by Zionists to get control of Israel.

Why is that?

Because such people are wrong. Horribly, insultingly wrong. So wrong that I scarcely know where to begin correcting them. Fortunately there are those for whom such corrections must surely be akin to tying their shoelaces or riding a bike, as they have made them a thousand times before and will a thousand times again and that's just this week.

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Most of us can only hope to look so good when we're in our 60s.

True, but a bit of professional make-up wizardry goes a long way.

Though, even minus the make-up and lighting, she's still a former Olympic athlete who probably has personal trainers and dieticians and the like.

Nevertheless, how a person looks should hardly be the basis on which they're judged. "Oh, sorry, what? You're a transgendered person? No, sorry, according to the Professional Truth Sayers Guidelines For Acceptance, you're far too unattractive to be taken seriously."

I suppose it's a dubious sign of acceptance for trans people that Caitlyn Jenner is being treated to the same kind of dismissal as any number of other women who aren't 20 year old lingerie models.

[Prezelly]

Why is that?

As far as I've read, mental illnesses "...cause[s] mild to severe disturbances in thought and/or behavior, resulting in an inability to cope with life’s ordinary demands and routines."

While it is true that transgenderism can lead to many problems pre-op, after operation many transgenders can simply live normal lives. By which I mean, transgenderism certainly doesn't have to lead to "an inability to cope with life’s ordinary demands and routines", regardless.

After doing something to change an illness, it is supposed to not be a problem.
You don't give a depressed person medication and expect them to still be depressed, same with a transgender operation. The only difference is that depression would require constant care compared to the shortish operation for transgenderism

[Grenartia]

Ah, ok, here is the difference I don't subscribe to the notion that offensive is in the eye of the beholder so to speak. I mean, hell you may be offend I wear a blue shirt. So what, screw you, I don't care you choose to be offended. Likewise transgender people choose to be offended when misgendered, that doesn't change the fact that it was my intent.

As, to six like I said, I subscribe to historical accuracy over preserving the feelings of a small minority of people, who at the end of the day, chose to express their true gender identity. If I really wanted to be offensive however, I would just refer to all transgender personas by their assigned sex at birth regardless of where in trasnition they were. But Idon't want to be merely offensive for the sake of beign offensive. I don't mind being offensive for the sake of precision and accuracy however.

I mean, besides, should I refer to jenner as a dead beat mom now? THat doesn't really make much sense no does that carry the same culture connotation which dead beat dad does, and which Bruce Genner was.

I thought I made some points, but apparently not, because they've all been ignored.

Welcome to the wonderful world of being unfortunate enough to be in a thread when Llama pops in. I recommend the ignore function.

[Grenartia]

Its not rocket science to simply say that the difference between men and women is gender identity.

Actually, as a bio-medical engineer specialising in the brain, I can most definitely tell you that gender is also a programmed state in the brain. Females do react differently to males under neural stimuli. This has been known since the 90s, where it was used by schools and stores to counter at that time flawed feminist thinking that gender was determined by social cues alone.

Have you accounted for the possibility of these differences being induced by social cues?

[Grenartia]

As I believe Sargon of Akkad may have said...

"If gender is just a social construct, then women could just all decide to be men and receive equal treatment. Feminism wouldn't even be needed by this point."

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for 3.5 billion people to choose to be men.

That's my point exactly. Gender is a biological thing, decided through chromosomal interactions and various other chemical reactions.

And the field of psychology entirely disagrees. It is psychological. Chromosomes have jack shit to do with it. Biological sex, yes, but not gender.

[Iidoomaan]

That's my point exactly. Gender is a biological thing, decided through chromosomal interactions and various other chemical reactions.

Ultimately, so is every thought in your brain.

no it's not. at the current level of sci and tech in today's world. we have almost absolutely no idea how the brain works. and to say every thought in your brain is controlled by genetics, is disengenious.

[Replevion]

Ultimately, so is every thought in your brain.

no it's not. at the current level of sci and tech in today's world. we have almost absolutely no idea how the brain works. and to say every thought in your brain is controlled by genetics, is disengenious.

They were referring to the weasel context of "and various other chemical reactions". Every thought is indeed a metaphysical manifestation of an electro-chemical reaction in the brain.

[Ifreann]

no it's not. at the current level of sci and tech in today's world. we have almost absolutely no idea how the brain works. and to say every thought in your brain is controlled by genetics, is disengenious.

They were referring to the weasel context of "and various other chemical reactions". Every thought is indeed a metaphysical manifestation of an electro-chemical reaction in the brain.

My brain is a hamster running in a wheel

[Replevion]

They were referring to the weasel context of "and various other chemical reactions". Every thought is indeed a metaphysical manifestation of an electro-chemical reaction in the brain.

My brain is a hamster running in a wheel

But the hamster's metabolism is still a chemical reaction! Illuminati confirmed!