Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[Dalcaria]

I think everyone can or should be able to agree on that. But I think his point is more that the narrative that gender is "social" is essentially false. Gender roles can be considered a social construct, but that's about where it ends.

Ah. I may have lost the track on the conversation, then.

Might be because of the one comment I made, didn't word it very well, I was kind of paraphrasing what Sargon said. Then again, perhaps that isn't where you got lost, I can't really help with that.

[The Archregimancy]

A very stimulating, and informative answer. Thank you.

I will be honest and say that I'm not nearly as well versed or as well disciplined as Archregimancy in subjects pertaining to all things archaeology, but I certainly have studied the subject of gender archaeology to a significant degree for various reasons.

Since I spotted my name being taken in vain, I took the liberty of reading through your post - and see nothing to disagree with as regards your dissection of the fallacy in assuming that prehistoric population groups are somehow culturally 'primitive' on the basis of their 'lack' of technology. There's a strong distinction to be made between cultural sophistication and technological sophistication. We don't even need to use prehistoric population groups to make the point; Aboriginal Australians, who developed an extraordinarily sophisticated traditional culture despite a lack of metal-working technology, offer a more contemporary example. There are even some areas where we can (not always uncontroversially) theorise that culture becomes less sophisticated as technology becomes more so; the complex kinship structures of nomadic groups and a possible correlation between technological development and the loss of inflections in spoken languages are two potential examples.

As to your point about transgenderism as a cultural concept, I'd go further and note that all concepts of gender and sexuality are to some degree social constructs. In so far as defined heterosexual male and female roles are considered 'normative', it's largely because we still (mostly) procreate the traditional way. However, the mistake on the part of a certain type of modern traditionalist lies in assuming that just because certain definitions are the most common historically, they are therefore necessarily also culturally superior. But history and anthropology amply demonstrate that just because particular definitions of sexuality and gender are the most common doesn't necessarily mean that they're the only possible definitions, or that alternative definitions must necessarily be conceptualised negatively. The shifting role of the Hijra within Indian culture over time, the often misunderstood (in the West, anyway) role of the Kathoey within Thai culture, and the positive perception of pederasty within Classical Greek civilisation are only three of the most obvious examples, but it takes little effort to find others.

[Killdash]

Ultimately, so is every thought in your brain.

I think everyone can or should be able to agree on that. But I think his point is more that the narrative that gender is "social" is essentially false. Gender roles can be considered a social construct, but that's about where it ends.

Even the roles that genders typically play are generally things that facilitate into the brains structure and thought processes. Are there exceptions? Yes, of course there are. They should be free to do things their way. The point I've raised is a general rule, not a perfect one.

[Dalcaria]

I think everyone can or should be able to agree on that. But I think his point is more that the narrative that gender is "social" is essentially false. Gender roles can be considered a social construct, but that's about where it ends.

Even the roles that genders typically play are generally things that facilitate into the brains structure and thought processes. Are there exceptions? Yes, of course there are. They should be free to do things their way. The point I've raised is a general rule, not a perfect one.

You do raise a good point. Reminds me of the quota issue actually. I'm less in favor of it given that I know employment gaps for women don't necessarily exist from sexism, but simply (in many cases) from an actual lack of female participation. You can't have a government made up of 50% women if you didn't have 50% of all electoral districts running only female candidates, because that's really the only way to guarantee female representation that high in government. But is it really necessary? Does having that much female employment somewhere (or elected officials rather than employees in this case) really guarantee women are getting represented? I really don't think so.

[Troll Instructor]

Hilary Swank should star in a movie about the life of Bruce / Caitlyn Jenner.

Err...interesting concept.

Well, she is a talented actress, she has played male-gendered characters, and she looks a lot like Bruce Jenner / Caitlyn Jenner, even with her mannish Adam's apple.

[New Babylonia]

Err...interesting concept.

Well, she is a talented actress, she has played male-gendered characters, and she looks a lot like Bruce Jenner / Caitlyn Jenner, even with her mannish Adam's apple.

Now at least this guy just uses both with a slash when he's indifferent or doesn't care or whatever his opinion on it is. Regardless, it levels out to complete neutrality.

I now dub thee, Switzerland.

[Seangoli]

X never marks the spot, unless it does.

Good old fashioned, completely useless archaeological wisdom.

Que Indiana Jones music as I spend the next mind-numbing ten hours recording it and submitting it to the SHPO.

Yeah... I wouldn't make a very interesting Indy. I've only punched something like five Nazis. Way below quota.

Tell me you're at least highly promiscuous and have a cool leather hat.

In order, not anymore and no. My s/o would take issue with the first, and the second is way too expensive. I do have a sweet chert collection though, and can Indy say the same? Who's the cool one now?

[Rhodesia-Botswana]

Drake Bell, from the beloved tv show, Drake and Josh turns out to be transphobic cis scum!!!

So, we all know that Caitlyn Jenner, a beautiful woman and former athlete, has been a woman for some time now. Drake Bell, a rabid, bitter transphobe tweeted "I'm still calling you Bruce." My response to that is how fucking dare he!

Caitlyn is a beautiful woman, one who was never truly a man, a woman who is free. Free from herself, free from societal bigotry, and free of a penis, apparently. How dare Drake suggest that someone who wanted to be a woman should still be called Bruce???!!!

I, as an unrepentant fighter for equality, am putting my foot down. Clearly, we must boycott Drake and Josh, boycott any perfume ads starring Drake, and perhaps send him to court for his vicious hate speech. The media seems to largely agree with me.

Mod Edit: Merged threads and edited title

Let us not forget that Bruce Jenner literally killed someone, he fucking KILLED someone. He's not a woman, having a sex change is biologically impossible. Him going out and having himself mutilated doesn't make him a woman, it makes him mentally ill.

EDIT: You also seem to be a shameless SJW, what a surprise. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

[Victoriala]

Drake Bell, from the beloved tv show, Drake and Josh turns out to be transphobic cis scum!!!

So, we all know that Caitlyn Jenner, a beautiful woman and former athlete, has been a woman for some time now. Drake Bell, a rabid, bitter transphobe tweeted "I'm still calling you Bruce." My response to that is how fucking dare he!

Caitlyn is a beautiful woman, one who was never truly a man, a woman who is free. Free from herself, free from societal bigotry, and free of a penis, apparently. How dare Drake suggest that someone who wanted to be a woman should still be called Bruce???!!!

I, as an unrepentant fighter for equality, am putting my foot down. Clearly, we must boycott Drake and Josh, boycott any perfume ads starring Drake, and perhaps send him to court for his vicious hate speech. The media seems to largely agree with me.

Mod Edit: Merged threads and edited title

Let us not forget that Bruce Jenner literally killed someone, he fucking KILLED someone. He's not a woman, having a sex change is biologically impossible. Him going out and having himself mutilated doesn't make him a woman, it makes him mentally ill.

EDIT: You also seem to be a shameless SJW, what a surprise. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

Edgy

[Rhodesia-Botswana]

Let us not forget that Bruce Jenner literally killed someone, he fucking KILLED someone. He's not a woman, having a sex change is biologically impossible. Him going out and having himself mutilated doesn't make him a woman, it makes him mentally ill.

EDIT: You also seem to be a shameless SJW, what a surprise. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

Edgy

I am a bit of a fedora tipping edgelord, but in all seriousness Bruce is a mentally ill degenerate.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Let us not forget that Bruce Jenner literally killed someone, he fucking KILLED someone. He's not a woman, having a sex change is biologically impossible. Him going out and having himself mutilated doesn't make him a woman, it makes him mentally ill.

EDIT: You also seem to be a shameless SJW, what a surprise. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

I don't think you know what the word 'impossible' means bud.

[Rhodesia-Botswana]

Let us not forget that Bruce Jenner literally killed someone, he fucking KILLED someone. He's not a woman, having a sex change is biologically impossible. Him going out and having himself mutilated doesn't make him a woman, it makes him mentally ill.

EDIT: You also seem to be a shameless SJW, what a surprise. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

I don't think you know what the word 'impossible' means bud.

It's impossible to change your gender. Simple m8.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think you know what the word 'impossible' means bud.

It's impossible to change your gender. Simple m8.

Sex =/= gender m8, you said it's impossible to have a sex change and that's so laughably wrong it's not even funny. It's just sad.

[Rhodesia-Botswana]

It's impossible to change your gender. Simple m8.

Sex =/= gender m8, you said it's impossible to have a sex change and that's so laughably wrong it's not even funny. It's just sad.

Having a sex change is biologically impossible.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sex =/= gender m8, you said it's impossible to have a sex change and that's so laughably wrong it's not even funny. It's just sad.

Having a sex change is biologically impossible.

Please, tell me more about how it's impossible.

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Sex =/= gender m8, you said it's impossible to have a sex change and that's so laughably wrong it's not even funny. It's just sad.

Having a sex change is biologically impossible.

You're currently going against the opinions of the majority of surgeons, psychologists, the medical scientific community, and what has been history for now 80 years, much older than a heart transplant, brain surgery, etc. Further, you haven't given any information, cited sources, or really said anything beyond your supposedly fact-based post, and doing as much might cause us to take you more seriously, but at this point you're not doing much more than trolling.

[Snowfall the Unicorn]

Anyone going to report this guy for saying a trans person is mentally ill?

[Macedom]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/b ... ional-man/

i agree with this

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

When you have to attach to your credentials "professional truth sayer" I would say that destroys his credibility.

[Macedom]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

When you have to attach to your credentials "professional truth sayer" I would say that destroys his credibility.

Why?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

When you have to attach to your credentials "professional truth sayer" I would say that destroys his credibility.

Why?

Because, saying you are a "professional truth sayer" is like saying you are a "professional couch potato".

[Farnhamia]

Why?

Because, saying you are a "professional truth sayer" is like saying you are a "professional couch potato".

It's in the same category as "I'm no racist but ..."

Either that or it's like the titles we get as our post counts go up. The more you post on The Blaze, the cooler your title is.

[Macedom]

Why?

Because, saying you are a "professional truth sayer" is like saying you are a "professional couch potato".

Right well i still agree with him

Because, saying you are a "professional truth sayer" is like saying you are a "professional couch potato".

It's in the same category as "I'm no racist but ..."

Either that or it's like the titles we get as our post counts go up. The more you post on The Blaze, the cooler your title is.

what if i were to say im not racist i hate about equally?

[Ifreann]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

Then you're wrong, completely and utterly.

[Macedom]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/

i agree with this

Then you're wrong, completely and utterly.

source?