Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[Talvezout]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

What.

I'll admit that I'm cisgender, but seriously, what.

[Dyakovo]

Right, because why would it be important for people to express who they are honestly in their day to day lives in a manner that doesn't affect anyone else?

Here's the thing: the world doesn't revolve around a persons disorder.

Consider the employment at will doctrine, that allows employers to fire employees for any reason that they can think of. You can be fired for anything, even being trans. There is no reason to bend the rules to protect a few transgenders.

Being transgender is not a disorder.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes. Calling it "political correctness" isn't an actual argument. Explain why you disagree with it.

Also, having watched several interviews with Prager in the past, I choose not to subject myself to a situation in which he's able to talk uninterrupted for any significant period of time.

It's your problem if you choose to reject very good content simply because you disagree with who is speaking.

Political Correctness, as I have already stated, is about feeling good instead of telling the truth. It is ultimately about giving in to every single overly sensitive complaint or attitude as opposed to doing what is practical or good for society as a whole. Or it is punishing the majority for the sake of making a minority comfortable.

Here's a hell of a video if you really can't listen to a conservative.

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_howard?language=en

Okay, now how does political correctness apply to "banbossy", and why is that a bad thing?

How do you define the difference between justified sensitivity and oversensitivity?

Does being responsive to complaints not do something practical or good for society as a whole?

How is the majority punished?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

What.

I'll admit that I'm cisgender, but seriously, what.

I think that the translation is "Them queers can wear all of the frou-frou shit they want at home or in their bars, but if Jim shows up at work wearing a dress tomorrow, I'm gonna vomit."

[Replevion]

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

[Talvezout]

What.

I'll admit that I'm cisgender, but seriously, what.

I think that the translation is "Them queers can wear all of the frou-frou shit they want at home or in their bars, but if Jim shows up at work wearing a dress tomorrow, I'm gonna vomit."

I get it now, thanks.

[Dyakovo]

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

*bows*

[Souseiseki]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

but the entire point of transition is oh fuck it

just

fuck it

[Grenartia]

Political correctness is a myth, created by the far right to, quite ironically, enforce their own brand of political correctness.

And while those are nice steps, there also needs to be some basic educating of society at large.

Hah, no. Demonstrably false. To deny there is an extreme aura of political correctness in our society would be to live under a rock. Feminists tried to ban the word bossy.

Also just watch 30:00 - 40:00 from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9qvBwOeMA

#1 The Missouri State Fair has permanently banned a rodeo clown from performing just because he wore an Obama mask, and now all of the other rodeo clowns are being required to take “sensitivity training“…

But the state commission went further, saying it will require that before the Rodeo Cowboy Association can take part in any future state fair, “they must provide evidence to the director of the Missouri State Fair that they have proof that all officials and subcontractors of the MRCA have successfully participated in sensitivity training.”
#2 Government workers in Seattle have been told that they should no longer use the words “citizen” and “brown bag” because they are potentially offensive.

#3 A Florida police officer recently lost his job for calling Trayvon Martin a “thug” on Facebook.

#4 “Climate change deniers” are definitely not wanted at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell was recently quoted as making the following statement: “I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior”.

#5 A professor at Ball State University was recently banned from even mentioning the concept of intelligent design because it would supposedly “violate the academic integrity” of the course that he was teaching.

#6 The mayor of Washington D.C. recently asked singer Donnie McClurkin not to attend his own concert because of his views on homosexuality.

#7 U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer is calling on athletes marching in the opening ceremonies at the Winter Olympics in Sochi next year to “embarrass” Russian President Vladimir Putin by protesting for gay rights.

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#8 Chaplains in the U.S. military are being forced to perform gay marriages, even if it goes against their personal religious beliefs. The few chaplains that have refused to follow orders know that it means the end of their careers.

#9 The governor of California has signed a bill into law which will allow transgendered students to use whatever bathrooms and gym facilities that they would like…

Transgendered students in California will now have the right to use whichever bathrooms they prefer and join either the boys’ or girls’ sports teams, thanks to landmark legislation signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday.

The law amends the state’s education code, and stipulates that each student will have access to facilities, sports teams, and programs that are “consistent with his or her gender identity,” rather than the student’s actual biological composition. A male student who self-identifies as female could therefore use the girls’ bathroom, even if he is anatomically male.
#10 In San Francisco, authorities have installed small plastic “privacy screens” on library computers so that perverts can continue to exercise their “right” to watch pornography at the library without children being directly exposed to it.

#11 In America today, there are many groups that are absolutely obsessed with eradicating every mention of God out of the public sphere. For example, an elementary school in North Carolina ordered a little six-year-old girl to remove the word “God” from a poem that she wrote to honor her two grandfathers that had served in the Vietnam War.

#12 A high school track team was disqualified earlier this year because one of the runners “made a gesture thanking God” once he had crossed the finish line.

#13 Earlier this year, a Florida Atlantic University student that refused to stomp on the name of Jesus was banned from class.

#14 A student at Sonoma State University was ordered to take off a cross that she was wearing because someone “could be offended“.

#15 A teacher in New Jersey was fired for giving his own Bible to a student that did not own one.

#16 Volunteer chaplains for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department have been banned from using the name of Jesus on government property.

#17 According to a new Army manual, U.S. soldiers will now be instructed to avoid “any criticism of pedophilia” and to avoid criticizing “anything related to Islam”. The following is from a Judicial Watch article…

The draft leaked to the newspaper offers a list of “taboo conversation topics” that soldiers should avoid, including “making derogatory comments about the Taliban,” “advocating women’s rights,” “any criticism of pedophilia,” “directing any criticism towards Afghans,” “mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct” or “anything related to Islam.”

#18 The Obama administration has banned all U.S. government agencies from producing any training materials that link Islam with terrorism. In fact, the FBI has gone back and purged references to Islam and terrorism from hundreds of old documents.

#19 According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it is illegal for employers to discriminate against criminals because it has a “disproportionate” impact on minorities.

Most of that sounds like consequences for individuals saying shitty things. That's called the consequences of free speech, not "political correctness". Also, I don't watch random youtube videos as "sources". And for everything else, I honestly don't believe any of that shit is happening as you say it is. Except for the California bathroom bill, which you seem to think is an inherently bad thing when it is an inherently good thing.

[Benuty]

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

Hmm...I smell an unfortunate reality show in the making.

[Souseiseki]

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

Hmm...I smell an unfortunate reality show in the making.

cis is hard. i would prefer a "keep your heterosexuality out of the workplace" program. it would be fucking hilarious. oh my god.

so i was talking to my girlfriend last niJESUS CHRIST CAN YOU FUCKING HETEROS JUST FUCKING KEEP IT TO YOURSELF FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE

that girl was pretty hot wasI DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS STRAIGHT CRAP

e: also i'm getting sick of seeing girls and boys holding hands in public, or worse, kissing. why can't they just go back to the closet? get a room fffff,

[Counter Culture]

It's your problem if you choose to reject very good content simply because you disagree with who is speaking.

Political Correctness, as I have already stated, is about feeling good instead of telling the truth. It is ultimately about giving in to every single overly sensitive complaint or attitude as opposed to doing what is practical or good for society as a whole. Or it is punishing the majority for the sake of making a minority comfortable.

Here's a hell of a video if you really can't listen to a conservative.

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_howard?language=en

Okay, now how does political correctness apply to "banbossy", and why is that a bad thing?

How do you define the difference between justified sensitivity and oversensitivity?

Does being responsive to complaints not do something practical or good for society as a whole?

How is the majority punished?

Because such a ridiculous movement is based on adopting the victim narrative which hurts women, and it is based on the premise that somehow women who micro-manage are valued less than men who micro-manage, when the real story is that no one likes micro-managing, and no one likes an aggressive boss.

Justified sensitivity refers to things like censoring graphic images, or having crude and offensive language smeared on your property, or a tombstone of the like. Other than that no speech should be silenced.

The majority is punished by having their speech or opinion limited due to the sensitivities others have been known to express and the legal problems that accompany it. I'm literally afraid to state my opinion on social issues in a public place, or with my name on it. It can be used against you. Being socially conservative in business is suicidal in this culture.

[Nazi Flower Power]

In practice, that's not something that happens often enough to be a real issue.

And, more often than not, tends to be fratboys and the like (including my father) blatantly doing it as a joke to mock transwomen.

Yes. If someone says they are trans, but I get the feeling they are not sincere, I have no problem calling them out. I don't think it's that difficult to make a distinction between a transwoman that is making an effort to present as female, but not quite passing, and a guy that is trying to barge in where he shouldn't.

[Souseiseki]

Okay, now how does political correctness apply to "banbossy", and why is that a bad thing?

How do you define the difference between justified sensitivity and oversensitivity?

Does being responsive to complaints not do something practical or good for society as a whole?

How is the majority punished?

Because such a ridiculous movement is based on adopting the victim narrative which hurts women, and it is based on the premise that somehow women who micro-manage are valued less than men who micro-manage, when the real story is that no one likes micro-managing, and no one likes an aggressive boss.

Justified sensitivity refers to things like censoring graphic images, or having crude and offensive language smeared on your property, or a tombstone of the like. Other than that no speech should be silenced.

The majority is punished by having their speech or opinion limited due to the sensitivities others have been known to express and the legal problems that accompany it. I'm literally afraid to state my opinion on social issues in a public place, or with my name on it. It can be used against you. Being socially conservative in business is suicidal in this culture.

threats libel blah blah every "no speech should be censored" inevitably turns into "no speech should be censored well except this and that and this and that and that and this". also censoring graphic images because censorship is ok when i agree with it.

free market. what a shame. have you considered keeping it yourself lol? i'm just going to assume that's your position on other issues like gay pride, i'd love to be wrong though!

e: oh hey ex-nation

[Nazi Flower Power]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

Transsexuality is kind of hard to keep to yourself, particularly during the process of transitioning. If you can't take your preferred gender out in public, that kind of defeats the purpose.

[Nazi Flower Power]

No, neither of you get it: http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html ... s_full.pdf

Thanks for linking me a 200+ page PDF that we both know I'm not going to read. For crying out loud I had a hard time getting through the first few chapters of Mein Kampf.

I might be kicked out of the NSDAP for suggesting this, but there is a very simple solution: don't read Mein Kampf.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

wtf

Why don't you keep your fucking cissexuality out of the workplace?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

Shit, ninja'd.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Right, because why would it be important for people to express who they are honestly in their day to day lives in a manner that doesn't affect anyone else?

Here's the thing: the world doesn't revolve around a persons disorder.

Consider the employment at will doctrine, that allows employers to fire employees for any reason that they can think of. You can be fired for anything, even being trans. There is no reason to bend the rules to protect a few transgenders.

Fuck Right to Work. You shouldn't be able to fire people for any reason you feel like.

[Dyakovo]

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

wtf

Why don't you keep your fucking cissexuality out of the workplace?

ninja'd

[Souseiseki]

wtf

Why don't you keep your fucking cissexuality out of the workplace?

ninja'd

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

Shit, ninja'd.

he ninja'd your ninja

we're through the looking glass here people

[Prussia-Steinbach]

wtf

Why don't you keep your fucking cissexuality out of the workplace?

ninja'd

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.

Shit, ninja'd.

ninjaception

[Benuty]

Thanks for linking me a 200+ page PDF that we both know I'm not going to read. For crying out loud I had a hard time getting through the first few chapters of Mein Kampf.

I might be kicked out of the NSDAP for suggesting this, but there is a very simple solution: don't read Mein Kampf.

Mein Kampf is overrated anyway Mao was a much better writer.

[LA Cheese]

Here's the thing: the world doesn't revolve around a persons disorder.

Consider the employment at will doctrine, that allows employers to fire employees for any reason that they can think of. You can be fired for anything, even being trans. There is no reason to bend the rules to protect a few transgenders.

Being transgender is not a disorder.

Technically it's referred to as gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria in the DSM-V. Of course, I believe that whether or not being transgender is a disorder to be impertinent to the issues surrounding it, seeing as disorders are characterized (in this sense) by changes in thought, which does not necessarily entail a large extent of normative content. Calling transgendered people "disordered" is psychiatrically tantamount to stating that they are in significant distress, which everyone would agree with, entailing that it has no significant impact on the debate over transgender questions.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I might be kicked out of the NSDAP for suggesting this, but there is a very simple solution: don't read Mein Kampf.

Mein Kampf is overrated anyway Mao was a much better writer.

I agree about Mein Kampf, never read Mao's stuff.