Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[Replevion]

(Not trying to offend, but this is what I believe, and it may very well offend. Sorry.)

My response to this and regarding transgender movement in general is this:

All these social movements are jokes. They're about making people feel good about themselves, and they're about a sense of entitlement and value all these different people think they deserve. Be an individual and take charge of your life instead of complaining about how disenfranchised you are. (not directed at OP, but directed at both, and pretty much most social movements)

No one deserves anything and no one is entitled to anything except for equality under the law. Which we have achieved.

She can do whatever the hell she wants, but I don't really care. Like at all

Thank you, some one who gets it!

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It is legal to discriminate against trans people in employment, housing, and public accommodation in over 30 states and trans people cannot join the military.

http://transgenderlawcenter.org/equalitymap

Thanks for the info, and I would recommend this quick fix

Make it illegal to discriminate against trans people, and allow trans people to join the military.

As opposed to political correctness at every turn.

You do realize, of course, that such laws are invariably regarded as examples of political correctness gone amok.

[Replevion]

It is legal to discriminate against trans people in employment, housing, and public accommodation in over 30 states and trans people cannot join the military.

http://transgenderlawcenter.org/equalitymap

Thanks for the info, and I would recommend this quick fix

Make it illegal to discriminate against trans people, and allow trans people to join the military.

As opposed to political correctness at every turn.

We're working on it. Strenuously. And believe me, when we have equality, they'll be a lot less complaining.

[New Reutlingen]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

[Grenartia]

(Not trying to offend, but this is what I believe, and it may very well offend. Sorry.)

My response to this and regarding transgender movement in general is this:

All these social movements are jokes. They're about making people feel good about themselves, and they're about a sense of entitlement and value all these different people think they deserve. Be an individual and take charge of your life instead of complaining about how disenfranchised you are. (not directed at OP, but directed at both, and pretty much most social movements)

No one deserves anything and no one is entitled to anything except for equality under the law. Which we have achieved.

She can do whatever the hell she wants, but I don't really care. Like at all

Thank you, some one who gets it!

No, you don't get it: http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html ... s_full.pdf

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Gren you are awesome.

I know I am.

It is legal to discriminate against trans people in employment, housing, and public accommodation in over 30 states and trans people cannot join the military.

http://transgenderlawcenter.org/equalitymap

Thanks for the info, and I would recommend this quick fix

Make it illegal to discriminate against trans people, and allow trans people to join the military.

As opposed to political correctness at every turn.

Political correctness is a myth, created by the far right to, quite ironically, enforce their own brand of political correctness.

And while those are nice steps, there also needs to be some basic educating of society at large.

[New Reutlingen]

Thank you, some one who gets it!

No, neither of you get it: http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html ... s_full.pdf

Thanks for linking me a 200+ page PDF that we both know I'm not going to read. For crying out loud I had a hard time getting through the first few chapters of Mein Kampf.

Political correctness is a myth, created by the far right to, quite ironically, enforce their own brand of political correctness.

And while those are nice steps, there also needs to be some basic educating of society at large.

What? You're kidding, right?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

Right, because why would it be important for people to express who they are honestly in their day to day lives in a manner that doesn't affect anyone else?

[Grenartia]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else./quote]



That's so fucking stupid!

[Utrinque Paratus]

He can consider himself as a female if he wants to, doesn't mean everyone has to call him as such and the amount of media attention this has got is ridiculous.

[Grenartia]

No, neither of you get it: http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html ... s_full.pdf

1. Thanks for linking me a 200+ page PDF that we both know I'm not going to read. For crying out loud I had a hard time getting through the first few chapters of Mein Kampf.

Political correctness is a myth, created by the far right to, quite ironically, enforce their own brand of political correctness.

And while those are nice steps, there also needs to be some basic educating of society at large.

2. What? You're kidding, right?

1. Its not all text. A lot of it is infographics.

2. No, I'm not. The biggest cause of transphobia is lack of understanding. Understanding comes from education.

[New Reutlingen]

Right, because why would it be important for people to express who they are honestly in their day to day lives in a manner that doesn't affect anyone else?

Here's the thing: the world doesn't revolve around a persons disorder.

Consider the employment at will doctrine, that allows employers to fire employees for any reason that they can think of. You can be fired for anything, even being trans. There is no reason to bend the rules to protect a few transgenders.

[Counter Culture]

Thanks for the info, and I would recommend this quick fix

Make it illegal to discriminate against trans people, and allow trans people to join the military.

As opposed to political correctness at every turn.

You do realize, of course, that such laws are invariably regarded as examples of political correctness gone amok.

Yea, no, stuff like this is what people like me consider political correctness run amock. http://banbossy.com/

and you can just watch this little tid bit for what I hate about America right now regarding political correctness and Government intervention to support such. 30:00-40:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9qvBwOeMA

Sincerely, a liberal who disagrees with many liberals.

[New Reutlingen]

1. Its not all text. A lot of it is infographics.

Even then it's still a waste of time.

2. No, I'm not. The biggest cause of transphobia is lack of understanding. Understanding comes from education.

So being 'transphobic' is being politically incorrect, no?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Right, because why would it be important for people to express who they are honestly in their day to day lives in a manner that doesn't affect anyone else?

Here's the thing: the world doesn't revolve around a persons disorder.

Consider the employment at will doctrine, that allows employers to fire employees for any reason that they can think of. You can be fired for anything, even being trans. There is no reason to bend the rules to protect a few transgenders.

Sure, there is: to protect them from discrimination based upon gender identity. As identifying and presenting as female when one was born biologically male, or vice-versa, affects no one else, then why should employers be allowed to fire them based upon that? You might as well take away protections for race, for religious belief (which a person has far more control over), for political views (same), for biological sex, or for any one of a number of other protected classes.

[Replevion]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

You can't fire people because of race or gender in any state, even 'at will employment' states. Being trans is a subset of gender, but it's slow going getting states to recognize it consistently under Title VII of the CRA, though case law is (just!) starting to affirm it.

Asking people "not to be trans" at work is ludicrous, tantamount to asking women not to be women or men not to be men because that makes some sexist person uncomfortable.

[Counter Culture]

Political correctness is a myth, created by the far right to, quite ironically, enforce their own brand of political correctness.

And while those are nice steps, there also needs to be some basic educating of society at large.

Hah, no. Demonstrably false. To deny there is an extreme aura of political correctness in our society would be to live under a rock. Feminists tried to ban the word bossy.

Also just watch 30:00 - 40:00 from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9qvBwOeMA

#1 The Missouri State Fair has permanently banned a rodeo clown from performing just because he wore an Obama mask, and now all of the other rodeo clowns are being required to take “sensitivity training“…

But the state commission went further, saying it will require that before the Rodeo Cowboy Association can take part in any future state fair, “they must provide evidence to the director of the Missouri State Fair that they have proof that all officials and subcontractors of the MRCA have successfully participated in sensitivity training.”
#2 Government workers in Seattle have been told that they should no longer use the words “citizen” and “brown bag” because they are potentially offensive.

#3 A Florida police officer recently lost his job for calling Trayvon Martin a “thug” on Facebook.

#4 “Climate change deniers” are definitely not wanted at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell was recently quoted as making the following statement: “I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior”.

#5 A professor at Ball State University was recently banned from even mentioning the concept of intelligent design because it would supposedly “violate the academic integrity” of the course that he was teaching.

#6 The mayor of Washington D.C. recently asked singer Donnie McClurkin not to attend his own concert because of his views on homosexuality.

#7 U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer is calling on athletes marching in the opening ceremonies at the Winter Olympics in Sochi next year to “embarrass” Russian President Vladimir Putin by protesting for gay rights.

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#8 Chaplains in the U.S. military are being forced to perform gay marriages, even if it goes against their personal religious beliefs. The few chaplains that have refused to follow orders know that it means the end of their careers.

#9 The governor of California has signed a bill into law which will allow transgendered students to use whatever bathrooms and gym facilities that they would like…

Transgendered students in California will now have the right to use whichever bathrooms they prefer and join either the boys’ or girls’ sports teams, thanks to landmark legislation signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday.

The law amends the state’s education code, and stipulates that each student will have access to facilities, sports teams, and programs that are “consistent with his or her gender identity,” rather than the student’s actual biological composition. A male student who self-identifies as female could therefore use the girls’ bathroom, even if he is anatomically male.
#10 In San Francisco, authorities have installed small plastic “privacy screens” on library computers so that perverts can continue to exercise their “right” to watch pornography at the library without children being directly exposed to it.

#11 In America today, there are many groups that are absolutely obsessed with eradicating every mention of God out of the public sphere. For example, an elementary school in North Carolina ordered a little six-year-old girl to remove the word “God” from a poem that she wrote to honor her two grandfathers that had served in the Vietnam War.

#12 A high school track team was disqualified earlier this year because one of the runners “made a gesture thanking God” once he had crossed the finish line.

#13 Earlier this year, a Florida Atlantic University student that refused to stomp on the name of Jesus was banned from class.

#14 A student at Sonoma State University was ordered to take off a cross that she was wearing because someone “could be offended“.

#15 A teacher in New Jersey was fired for giving his own Bible to a student that did not own one.

#16 Volunteer chaplains for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department have been banned from using the name of Jesus on government property.

#17 According to a new Army manual, U.S. soldiers will now be instructed to avoid “any criticism of pedophilia” and to avoid criticizing “anything related to Islam”. The following is from a Judicial Watch article…

The draft leaked to the newspaper offers a list of “taboo conversation topics” that soldiers should avoid, including “making derogatory comments about the Taliban,” “advocating women’s rights,” “any criticism of pedophilia,” “directing any criticism towards Afghans,” “mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct” or “anything related to Islam.”

#18 The Obama administration has banned all U.S. government agencies from producing any training materials that link Islam with terrorism. In fact, the FBI has gone back and purged references to Islam and terrorism from hundreds of old documents.

#19 According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it is illegal for employers to discriminate against criminals because it has a “disproportionate” impact on minorities.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You do realize, of course, that such laws are invariably regarded as examples of political correctness gone amok.

Yea, no, stuff like this is what people like me consider political correctness run amock. http://banbossy.com/

and you can just watch this little tid bit for what I hate about America right now regarding political correctness and Government intervention to support such. 30:00-40:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9qvBwOeMA

Sincerely, a liberal who disagrees with many liberals.

Yes. Calling it "political correctness" isn't an actual argument. Explain why you disagree with it.

Also, having watched several interviews with Prager in the past, I choose not to subject myself to a situation in which he's able to talk uninterrupted for any significant period of time.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1. Its not all text. A lot of it is infographics.

Even then it's still a waste of time.

2. No, I'm not. The biggest cause of transphobia is lack of understanding. Understanding comes from education.

So being 'transphobic' is being politically incorrect, no?

Being transphobic is being transphobic. Political correctness is a meaningless buzzword.

[New Reutlingen]

Sure, there is: to protect them from discrimination based upon gender identity. As identifying and presenting as female when one was born biologically male, or vice-versa, affects no one else, then why should employers be allowed to fire them based upon that? You might as well take away protections for race, for religious belief (which a person has far more control over), for political views (same), for biological sex, or for any one of a number of other protected classes.

I wish we could, but unfortunately there will never be a time like that again.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Sure, there is: to protect them from discrimination based upon gender identity. As identifying and presenting as female when one was born biologically male, or vice-versa, affects no one else, then why should employers be allowed to fire them based upon that? You might as well take away protections for race, for religious belief (which a person has far more control over), for political views (same), for biological sex, or for any one of a number of other protected classes.

I wish we could, but unfortunately there will never be a time like that again.

Ah, so you're perfectly fine with people being fired for simply being the "wrong" race, or the "wrong" sex, or the "wrong' religion. That's a much wider topic that I've already discussed to death several times over in what is beginning to feel like a very long life. I hope you'll forgive me for not traipsing down that well-worn path once again.

[Counter Culture]

Yea, no, stuff like this is what people like me consider political correctness run amock. http://banbossy.com/

and you can just watch this little tid bit for what I hate about America right now regarding political correctness and Government intervention to support such. 30:00-40:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9qvBwOeMA

Sincerely, a liberal who disagrees with many liberals.

Yes. Calling it "political correctness" isn't an actual argument. Explain why you disagree with it.

Also, having watched several interviews with Prager in the past, I choose not to subject myself to a situation in which he's able to talk uninterrupted for any significant period of time.

It's your problem if you choose to reject very good content simply because you disagree with who is speaking.

Political Correctness, as I have already stated, is about feeling good instead of telling the truth. It is ultimately about giving in to every single overly sensitive complaint or attitude as opposed to doing what is practical or good for society as a whole. Or it is punishing the majority for the sake of making a minority comfortable.

Here's a hell of a video if you really can't listen to a conservative.

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_howard?language=en

[Grenartia]

1. Its not all text. A lot of it is infographics.

Even then it's still a waste of time.

2. No, I'm not. The biggest cause of transphobia is lack of understanding. Understanding comes from education.

So being 'transphobic' is being politically incorrect, no?

No. Because the right wing narrative of PC is a myth. Instead, its standing up for trans equality that's politcally incorrect.

[Nazi Flower Power]

There is nothing wrong with people being able to feel good about themselves.

Except when it leads to stupid sjw stuff as we have seen in feminism like trying to ban the word bossy, and giving millions of dollars to such a movement led by "respectable" celebrities.

They were not trying to literally ban the word.

Trans people are people, they don't deserve special treatment or hype. Just equal treatment under the law. That they have. Bigots will always be bigots, and spending millions of dollars or putting celebrities to the cause wont change that.

They have a right to talk about what people could do to make their lives easier, same as people in wheelchairs have a right to ask for public buildings to have access ramps or people that like to ride bikes have a right to campaign for the construction of more bike paths.

[Counter Culture]

Except when it leads to stupid sjw stuff as we have seen in feminism like trying to ban the word bossy, and giving millions of dollars to such a movement led by "respectable" celebrities.

They were not trying to literally ban the word.

Trans people are people, they don't deserve special treatment or hype. Just equal treatment under the law. That they have. Bigots will always be bigots, and spending millions of dollars or putting celebrities to the cause wont change that.

They have a right to talk about what people could do to make their lives easier, same as people in wheelchairs have a right to ask for public buildings to have access ramps or people that like to ride bikes have a right to campaign for the construction of more bike paths.

They have a right to say or do whatever they want, but much like many feminist movements and ideas, it doesn't mean it is beneficial to the trans community or society as a whole.

[Dyakovo]

Someone who's completely disregarding how many people are fired for being trans. Equality my ample butt.

Perhaps they could keep their transexuality out of the work place and still be transsexual in there homes and anywhere else.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that those are the states that allow employers to fire employees without legitimate reason.

Maybe you should keep the fact that you're cis out of the workplace and still be cis in your home.