Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, it's not. However, it's up to you to show that this was a political decision, and not one based upon decades worth of research that tended to disprove older theories regarding sexuality, and instead indicated that homosexuality did not meet the definition of mental illness. Hell, even Freud didn't see homosexuality in and of itself as being harmful.

Wow. Where did Freud supposedly being homophobic come from?

He had some ideas that now seem quaint and dated regarding how homosexuality occurs, mostly based in gender roles. This was widely misinterpreted by many of his more ardent followers.

[Replevion]

Brilliant. By your arbitrary, uneducated interpretation of what a mental disorder and 'normal psychological function' means, you've made any person who doesn't want kids out to have a mental disorder. Gold fucking star.

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

So, for straight people it's just a choice, for LGT people it's crazy town. *cough* Yup... no cis-het normative thought process here... totally no double standard. All logic...........

Siiiiiiiigh

[Nazi Flower Power]

Yeah, the idea that a woman HAS to have/want a vagina is inherently sexist and misogynist. It propogates a view of womanhood that holds that women are little more than walking vaginas.

Nothing more than a strawman: I think that if a person really feels "she" is a woman, then "she" should wish to have a vagina. Otherwise "she" doesn't really feels a woman. Pure logic. Otherwise even MALES with beard and muscles can say they're "women".

In practice, that's not something that happens often enough to be a real issue.

[Boineburg]

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

So, basically, you're a hypocrite.

I'd love an explanation on how you came to this conclusion.

[Grenartia]

Appeal to nature is a logical fallacy.

Also, not caring about science is a sign of intellectual dishonesty.

Read my later posts, why don't you?

Thread's moving too fast, I'm already behind the conversation too much.

Also, having seen your posts since, I see no reason to change my diagnosis.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

So, for straight people it's just a choice, for LGT people it's crazy town. *cough* Yup... no cis-het normative thought process here... totally no double standard. All logic...........

Siiiiiiiigh

I'm now fairly sure I'm suffering a subarachnoid haemorrhage having hit my head off the table multiple times.

[Gauthier]

Yeah, we all knew he secretly charged for all those loaves and fishes, it was just left out by all the commie transcriptions in between!

Voluntarily giving does not make one a socialist. Forcefully taking from others and redistributing it does.

What about Jesus and his Free Universal Healthcare? Healing the sick and crippled without charging a co-pay has to be socialist.

[Boineburg]

So, for straight people it's just a choice, for LGT people it's crazy town. *cough* Yup... no cis-het normative thought process here... totally no double standard. All logic...........

Siiiiiiiigh

I'm now fairly sure I'm suffering a subarachnoid haemorrhage having hit my head off the table multiple times.

Probably won't change you any, though.

[Grand Calvert]

Voluntarily giving does not make one a socialist. Forcefully taking from others and redistributing it does.

What about Jesus and his Free Universal Healthcare? Healing the sick and crippled without charging a co-pay has to be socialist.

If someone has the resources and will to give everyone healthcare, and does it, that isn't socialism. If someone has the resources, and legislations are passed in which he is forced to use them for healthcare, would be socialism.

[Chessmistress]

Nothing more than a strawman: I think that if a person really feels "she" is a woman, then "she" should wish to have a vagina. Otherwise "she" doesn't really feels a woman. Pure logic. Otherwise even MALES with beard and muscles can say they're "women".

In practice, that's not something that happens often enough to be a real issue.

In practice, since males will suffer more and more more and more true equality will be approached, that's VERY LIKELY to happen more and more in the future. Do you wish to see males with beards and muscles, dressed as males, joining women's only spaces just only because they say "I feel I'm a woman"?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Brilliant. By your arbitrary, uneducated interpretation of what a mental disorder and 'normal psychological function' means, you've made any person who doesn't want kids out to have a mental disorder. Gold fucking star.

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

Question, do you have a biology class?

[Replevion]

So, for straight people it's just a choice, for LGT people it's crazy town. *cough* Yup... no cis-het normative thought process here... totally no double standard. All logic...........

Siiiiiiiigh

I'm now fairly sure I'm suffering a subarachnoid haemorrhage having hit my head off the table multiple times.

I have run out of appendages with which to face palm. And I've only half a bottle of vodka left... I'm not sure I'm going to make it. Tell my wife and kids and I love them.

[Wulfenia]

Meh, he's entitled to his opinion. Even if it's downright wrong.

[Eastfield Lodge]

So, basically, you're a hypocrite.

I'd love an explanation on how you came to this conclusion.

So, for straight people it's just a choice, for LGT people it's crazy town.

Rep's already said how.

I'm now fairly sure I'm suffering a subarachnoid haemorrhage having hit my head off the table multiple times.

Probably won't change you any, though.

Sure, death by having my brainstem forced through the base of my skull due to increased intracranial pressure won't change me one bit.

[Replevion]

In practice, that's not something that happens often enough to be a real issue.

In practice, since males will suffer more and more more and more true equality will be approached, that's VERY LIKELY to happen more and more in the future. Do you wish to see males with beards and muscles, dressed as males, joining women's only spaces just only because they say "I feel I'm a woman"?

I don't know, I was pretty unhappy when women wanted to join men-only spaces just because they felt like they were equal.

That's sarcasm BTW.

[Boineburg]

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

Question, do you have a biology class?

I suppose I worded that poorly. I don't mean that humans don't need to reproduce period, but we don't need to reproduce as much. There are less threats to humans nowadays, and we can afford to have smaller families while still growing in population.

Edit: And Jesus Christ, where the hell are you getting all the images for your flags?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Meh, he's entitled to his opinion. Even if it's downright wrong.

I get the feeling you're talking about the Grand Calvert and Boineburg.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I'm now fairly sure I'm suffering a subarachnoid haemorrhage having hit my head off the table multiple times.

I have run out of appendages with which to face palm. And I've only half a bottle of vodka left... I'm not sure I'm going to make it. Tell my wife and kids and I love them.

We shall get through this together, or die together.

[Nazi Flower Power]

In practice, that's not something that happens often enough to be a real issue.

In practice, since males will suffer more and more more and more true equality will be approached, that's VERY LIKELY to happen more and more in the future. Do you wish to see males with beards and muscles, dressed as males, joining women's only spaces just only because they say "I feel I'm a woman"?

I don't see any reason to expect it. If it does become an issue, we can cross that bridge when we find it.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Question, do you have a biology class?

I suppose I worded that poorly. I don't mean that humans don't need to reproduce period, but we don't need to reproduce as much. There are less threats to humans nowadays, and we can afford to have smaller families while still growing in population.

There shouldn't be a threat in the first place, however there is a number of them.

[Des-Bal]

No, it's not. However, it's up to you to show that this was a political decision, and not one based upon decades worth of research that tended to disprove older theories regarding sexuality, and instead indicated that homosexuality did not meet the definition of mental illness. Hell, even Freud didn't see homosexuality in and of itself as being harmful.

I'd agree that it's not harmful, I would however call it abnormal enough to be reasonably classified as a dysfunction. I don't see anything wrong with that. The pushes for the declassification of both Homosexuality and Transgenderism were both intended to stop governmental abuses motivated by the classification mentally ill and in my opinion it would be just great if we could stop mistreatment of the mentally ill instead of giving different groups the privilege of leaving the freak table. In the case of transgenderism there's actually a recognized need for care so Gender Dysphoria is the honestly ridiculous comrpomise. The feeling that your body and mind are mismatched is not a disorder but feeling less than okay about it is. Who else can get in on that deal, I don't want to be depressed and I think reclassification might be cheaper treatment.

[Boineburg]

I suppose I worded that poorly. I don't mean that humans don't need to reproduce period, but we don't need to reproduce as much. There are less threats to humans nowadays, and we can afford to have smaller families while still growing in population.

There shouldn't be a threat in the first place, however there is a number of them.

Humanity will never be completely without a threat.

[Grenartia]

God's Word actually says nothing about treating LGBT people like shit. Contrary to popular belief.

That's true. However, it does say that homosexuality is sinful (referred to as abomination in OT, reaffirmed as evil by Paul in NT). But just because someone is in sin, doesn't mean I treat them badly.

Lets see, only in Leviticus, which also condemns: the consumption of shellfish and bottom feeding fish (there goes nearly the entire Louisiana seafood industry), the consumption of pork, and of bacon, the consumption of meat and cheese (damn, there goes double bacon cheeseburgers) together, the agriculturally sound practice of crop rotation (welp, there goes the only thing that's kept the Dust Bowl from repeating over the last 8 decades), wearing clothes made of blended fabrics (damn, cotton-wool blends were comfortable, too), and a shitton of other stuff.

There's also a mistaken reference in Genesis, in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, but upon closer inspection, that's more about rape (unless you want to argue that the angels WANTED to have sex with the men of Sodom, but that would mean you'd have to also admit that God has no issue with gay people, and there's a place in heaven for them).

And Paul's words are up for debate. There's a significant case to be made that his words are being mistranslated on this subject, given that it appears the word commonly translated as "homosexuals" appears to have been entirely made up by Paul, which is odd, considering he had no need to invent a word that means "gay people", considering the word already existed in the Greek the NT was written in.

Also, treating us badly includes refusing to affirm us. I should point out I'm entirely against getting the government to force a church to accept us, but that should not be confused with not wanting non-affirming churches to see the light.

[Dutch Mualenia]

Oh please this is still going on?

People are sexually insecure and we got genderchanges everyday.

Nothing special, more on ressortissants.

[Eastfield Lodge]

There shouldn't be a threat in the first place, however there is a number of them.

Humanity will never be completely without a threat.

The main threat to humanity as it stands is ourselves.