Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[Grenartia]

But are they also not transphobic?

Also, this only helps me if you live within a 5 mile radius of where I live.

I don't know if they are transphobic or not.

And idk where you live, I probably don't, unless you live in Georgia.

Try 3 states southwest.

[Grand Calvert]

"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

-Colossians 4:1

So you don't have an actual quote that specifically states that they can't beat slaves for whatever they deem is justified?

Is beating someone for entertainment right and fair?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, you're working off of obsolete information. Both conditions have been declassified by the APA and are not disorders according to the highest reference authority in American mental health practice, the DSM-IV.

Yep, because the APA is not above politics.

No, it's not. However, it's up to you to show that this was a political decision, and not one based upon decades worth of research that tended to disprove older theories regarding sexuality, and instead indicated that homosexuality did not meet the definition of mental illness. Hell, even Freud didn't see homosexuality in and of itself as being harmful.

[Steamtopia]

So you don't have an actual quote that specifically states that they can't beat slaves for whatever they deem is justified?

Is beating someone for entertainment right and fair?

Is there any quote in the Bible suggesting it's not?

[Replevion]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/mental%20disorder

Ah, thank you! Exactly the one I used, too.

I made this for an Imgur comment awhile ago: http://i.imgur.com/qpMwOPZ.png

Brilliant. By your arbitrary, uneducated interpretation of what a mental disorder and 'normal psychological function' means, you've made any person who doesn't want kids out to have a mental disorder. Gold fucking star.

[Chessmistress]

Well, I'm not a woman, actually. I'm non-binary, which means that I am neither a man nor a woman.

However, I also know women who have chosen to keep their penises, probably because they don't feel that owning a vagina is essential to being a woman, and they don't feel any significant discomfort regarding their penis.

Yeah, the idea that a woman HAS to have/want a vagina is inherently sexist and misogynist. It propogates a view of womanhood that holds that women are little more than walking vaginas.

Nothing more than a strawman: I think that if a person really feels "she" is a woman, then "she" should wish to have a vagina. Otherwise "she" doesn't really feels a woman. Pure logic. Otherwise even MALES with beard and muscles can say they're "women".
That's the main problem Radical Feminists like me have with trans persons.

[Grenartia]

Its hardly "liberal standards" to not treat people like shit. Also, seeing as how queerphobia directly counterdicts Christ's message, any church that fails to affirm LGBT people fails to teach people the message of Christ.

Just a matter of time before someone denounces Jesus as a "SJW".

Words that describe Jesus:

Socialist
Jew
Wonderful

Christ confirmed for Illuminati.

[Steamtopia]

Yeah, the idea that a woman HAS to have/want a vagina is inherently sexist and misogynist. It propogates a view of womanhood that holds that women are little more than walking vaginas.

Nothing more than a strawman: I think that if a person really feels "she" is a woman "she" should wish to have a vagina. Otherwise "she" doesn't really feels a woman.

How dare you oppress your views on others.

[Geilinor]

Yep, because the APA is not above politics.

No, it's not. However, it's up to you to show that this was a political decision, and not one based upon decades worth of research that tended to disprove older theories regarding sexuality, and instead indicated that homosexuality did not meet the definition of mental illness. Hell, even Freud didn't see homosexuality in and of itself as being harmful.

Wow. Where did Freud supposedly being homophobic come from?

[Grand Calvert]

Is beating someone for entertainment right and fair?

Is there any quote in the Bible suggesting it's not?

You're really stretching this. That is a crystal clear quote that shows how slaves are to be treated. Treating them fairly would imply that a crime must occur in order for there to be a punishment.

[Steamtopia]

Is there any quote in the Bible suggesting it's not?

You're really stretching this. That is a crystal clear quote that shows how slaves are to be treated. Treating them fairly would imply that a crime must occur in order for there to be a punishment.

There's nothing in that quote that implies that. You're just drawing your own conclusion to fit your narrative.

[Grenartia]

No, we mean Caitlyn Jenner. Trans people aren't degenerates.

That's up for debate. In fact, we're debating that issue right now, aren't we? No definite result yet.

A bunch of people debating an issue doesn't determine the truth. And the truth is that myself and my transgender siblings are not degenerates.

[Grand Calvert]

Just a matter of time before someone denounces Jesus as a "SJW".

Words that describe Jesus:

Socialist
Jew
Wonderful

Christ confirmed for Illuminati.

Don't even start with the "Jesus is a socialist" crap.

[Boineburg]

Ah, thank you! Exactly the one I used, too.

I made this for an Imgur comment awhile ago: http://i.imgur.com/qpMwOPZ.png

Brilliant. By your arbitrary, uneducated interpretation of what a mental disorder and 'normal psychological function' means, you've made any person who doesn't want kids out to have a mental disorder. Gold fucking star.

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

[Steamtopia]

There's no historical context in which slavery is moral. Do you support slavery as described in the Bible or not?

Biblical slavery is fine. 19th century American slavery was wrong, and very different.

Just before I go, I want to remind everyone that there are actually people in the 21st century who support slavery. I'll rest easy tonight knowing I occupy the moral high ground over religious fanatics who think owning other people, regardless of the circumstances, is a permissible action.

[Boineburg]

That's up for debate. In fact, we're debating that issue right now, aren't we? No definite result yet.

A bunch of people debating an issue doesn't determine the truth. And the truth is that myself and my transgender siblings are not degenerates.

Nice bait.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Actually, no, by definition homosexuals do not have a mental disorder any more than people who are left-handed have a physical disorder. Transgendered individuals are a slightly different story, but part of the treatment is to transition to a gender identity that the patient is more comfortable with, at which point there's no real disorder.

Now, if you would please, find me the definition of "mental disorder"

If you accept "mental illness" as being synonymous with "mental disorder", which seems to be common, this is a workable definition:

A mental illness is a disease that causes mild to severe disturbances in thought and/or behavior, resulting in an inability to cope with life’s ordinary demands and routines.

[Grand Calvert]

You're really stretching this. That is a crystal clear quote that shows how slaves are to be treated. Treating them fairly would imply that a crime must occur in order for there to be a punishment.

There's nothing in that quote that implies that. You're just drawing your own conclusion to fit your narrative.

Well, I mean, Jesus said that we should treat others how we want to be treated. That's the right thing to do.

[Replevion]

Words that describe Jesus:

Socialist
Jew
Wonderful

Christ confirmed for Illuminati.

Don't even start with the "Jesus is a socialist" crap.

Yeah, we all knew he secretly charged for all those loaves and fishes, it was just left out by all the commie transcriptions in between!

[Grenartia]

Ah, Caitlyn Jenner. The King... er... "Queen" of overhyping what really is a small societal issue. The media loves to pretend that being transgender is the same sort of deal as being, say, LBG.

I think transgendered people are... I apologize to use such an offensive term, but they're a little deranged, to be honest. If you are born with a penis, you are a man, regardless of what you want to be. If you are born with a vagina, you are a woman, regardless of how you "view yourself". I simply can not see what the problem is with this.

But that's my opinion, and I recognize I'm losing that battle societally. So, yes, I'll call Caitlyn Jenner a "she", and I'll support those who are oppressed for their gender identification with the rest of the LGBT community. But I will never understand it, and that way of thinking simply shouldn't expect my support.

Hardly a "small societal issue" when this is an actual report.

[Chessmistress]

Nothing more than a strawman: I think that if a person really feels "she" is a woman "she" should wish to have a vagina. Otherwise "she" doesn't really feels a woman.

How dare you oppress your views on others.

That's my opinion.
I'm glad to see that there are a lot of persons who basically share my views.
Maybe you don't trust me when I say so, but I don't hate males, nor even trans. I just like logic: Radical Feminism is all about logic and its conclusions.

[Gauthier]

Don't even start with the "Jesus is a socialist" crap.

Yeah, we all knew he secretly charged for all those loaves and fishes, it was just left out by all the commie transcriptions in between!

And he was actually celebrating the moneylenders in the temple too. *nod*

[Terricon]

The media is overreacting to this. If Bruce wants to be Caitlyn, I could honestly care less. Don't glorify it, don't shit on him, we should just accept the fact that Bruce wants to be Caitlyn, and collectively move on as a society.

No, the issue is that people like you are overreacting to it. The media was very supportive of her transition, but there are certain groups who are challenging anyone to disagree with this move in the LGBT realm in order to label those critics as ignorant.
So get your position straight.

[Grand Calvert]

Don't even start with the "Jesus is a socialist" crap.

Yeah, we all knew he secretly charged for all those loaves and fishes, it was just left out by all the commie transcriptions in between!

Voluntarily giving does not make one a socialist. Forcefully taking from others and redistributing it does.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Brilliant. By your arbitrary, uneducated interpretation of what a mental disorder and 'normal psychological function' means, you've made any person who doesn't want kids out to have a mental disorder. Gold fucking star.

Actually, no. In that case, it become less a survival instinct (for lack of a better word), and moreso a choice. Other, less advanced species, still need to reproduce to keep up. We humans do not.

So, basically, you're a hypocrite.