Caitlyn Jenner: The Reveal & The Reactions

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Doubtless they have. Maybe you should take your own advice.

"Skepticsannotatedbible", what a great source!

Are you stating that those are not actual Biblical verses? Are you saying that these are misquotes, or lack context? That should be easy to prove: Show us what those verses actually say using a non-skeptic source such as Bible Gateway.

[Gauthier]

No, you didn't. And I quote:

Funny how this got ignored.

So it's okay to beat your slave to death, as long as the slave doesn't die right away? Sweet!

[Steamtopia]

Are you suggesting any of those quotes are not found in the Bible?

I can pick pieces out of every religious book and interpret it in a different way to make people hate that religion.

I'm really not sure how you can interpret those quotes any differently. Care to try?

[Replevion]

Ah, Caitlyn Jenner. The King... er... "Queen" of overhyping what really is a small societal issue. The media loves to pretend that being transgender is the same sort of deal as being, say, LBG.

I think transgendered people are... I apologize to use such an offensive term, but they're a little deranged, to be honest. If you are born with a penis, you are a man, regardless of what you want to be. If you are born with a vagina, you are a woman, regardless of how you "view yourself". I simply can not see what the problem is with this.

But that's my opinion, and I recognize I'm losing that battle societally. So, yes, I'll call Caitlyn Jenner a "she", and I'll support those who are oppressed for their gender identification with the rest of the LGBT community. But I will never understand it, and that way of thinking simply shouldn't expect my support.

Seems like your being fatalistic about never understanding it. Have you tried? Have you looked at any of the opinions of mental health professionals from this century that there is no "derangement" involved?

[Counter Culture]

Are you suggesting any of those quotes are not found in the Bible?

I can pick pieces out of every religious book and interpret it in a different way to make people hate that religion.

You can do the same with virtually anything written down.

[Calimera II]

I can pick pieces out of every religious book and interpret it in a different way to make people hate that religion.

You should however ALSO be able to interpret it the correct way and enlighten all us heathens.

I am not a religious leader ot theologist, are you?

[Grand Calvert]

No, you didn't. And I quote:

Funny how this got ignored.

Oh sorry, there's a lot going on. But anyways:

Exodus 21:26

"An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye."

And let's not forget that slaves back in these times are either criminals or people who willingly signed up for it.

[Grenartia]

I don't give a damn about what Science says. The definition is and should be based on what is biologically natural.

You're going to start refusing all medical care then I hope? I mean, fuck medical science, if the herbs and leeches can't fix it, I guess it just wasn't meant to be fixed!

Got Ebola? Eat this root, let 1500 leeches suck the blood from your left arm, and I cannot stress this enough, your left arm only, if you do it from the right, you'll end up like Jenkins down the road.

[Boineburg]

That's up for debate. In fact, we're debating that issue right now, aren't we? No definite result yet.

It's really not open for debate any more than the shape of the Earth is open for debate. People can try to argue the point, but it's fruitless to do so.

People also debate whether vaccines cause Autism, but whatever.
Technically, by definition, transsexuals and homosexuals do have a mental disorder. Now, if you would please, find me the definition of "mental disorder".

I should also note that I am not against the idea of transsexuals and homosexuals, but I'm working off of technicalities.

[Calimera II]

I can pick pieces out of every religious book and interpret it in a different way to make people hate that religion.

You can do the same with virtually anything written down.

Some people take it to the extreme.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And let's not forget that slaves back in these times are either criminals or people who willingly signed up for it.

That is very, very wrong.

[Steamtopia]

Funny how this got ignored.

So it's okay to beat your slave to death, as long as the slave doesn't die right away? Sweet!

Well, yea, pretty much. If you need a guide, let me provide you with the rest of the instruction from God™ himself. There's even a handy loophole on how you can keep Hebrew slaves for life!

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

Now you've got everything you need to succeed in a modern, moral slavery system.

[Grenartia]

It kinda does. The verse in context is -

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

You see that bit about there being no commandment grater than these? Yeah....

If Jesus says something, it's God's Word. You know, because He is God.

Yeah, and? Jesus never spoke against LGBT people.

[Boineburg]

You're going to start refusing all medical care then I hope? I mean, fuck medical science, if the herbs and leeches can't fix it, I guess it just wasn't meant to be fixed!

Got Ebola? Eat this root, let 1500 leeches suck the blood from your left arm, and I cannot stress this enough, your left arm only, if you do it from the right, you'll end up like Jenkins down the road.

How ignorant are you?

When I try to explain my argument, you take out the little pieces that suit your argument best and throw away everything that doesn't.

[Calimera II]

And let's not forget that slaves back in these times are either criminals or people who willingly signed up for it.

That is very, very wrong.

Back then it was very normal.

[Geilinor]

Are you suggesting any of those quotes are not found in the Bible?

I can pick pieces out of every religious book and interpret it in a different way to make people hate that religion.

That doesn't change the fact of the quote's existence.

[Steamtopia]

Funny how this got ignored.

Oh sorry, there's a lot going on. But anyways:

Exodus 21:26

"An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye."

And let's not forget that slaves back in these times are either criminals or people who willingly signed up for it.

You say that like Exodus 21:26 somehow excuses the fact that as long as you don't kill or destroy an eye, it's okay to beat your slaves. And there's no passage stating that slaves were only criminals or people who signed up to be slaves (which is an idiotic proposition in the first place).

[Counter Culture]

You can do the same with virtually anything written down.

Some people take it to the extreme.

Some people take anything to the extreme.

[Eastfield Lodge]

It's really not open for debate any more than the shape of the Earth is open for debate. People can try to argue the point, but it's fruitless to do so.

People also debate whether vaccines cause Autism, but whatever.
Technically, by definition, transsexuals and homosexuals do have a mental disorder. Now, if you would please, find me the definition of "mental disorder".

I should also note that I am not against the idea of transsexuals and homosexuals, but I'm working off of technicalities.

Source this bullshit.

[Des-Bal]

I am not a religious leader ot theologist, are you?

No, just a guy who can read. The entire reason that the bible isn't in latin is that you don't have to be a biblical scholar to read it. I'm also concerned that you're following a book you just admitted you don't understand.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is very, very wrong.

Back then it was very normal.

No I mean, historically that's not true. There were plenty of people who were taken as slaves after their tribe or nation was defeated.

[Replevion]

It's really not open for debate any more than the shape of the Earth is open for debate. People can try to argue the point, but it's fruitless to do so.

People also debate whether vaccines cause Autism, but whatever.
Technically, by definition, transsexuals and homosexuals do have a mental disorder. Now, if you would please, find me the definition of "mental disorder".

I should also note that I am not against the idea of transsexuals and homosexuals, but I'm working off of technicalities.

No, you're working off of obsolete information. Both conditions have been declassified by the APA and are not disorders according to the highest reference authority in American mental health practice, the DSM-V.

[Calimera II]

I can pick pieces out of every religious book and interpret it in a different way to make people hate that religion.

That doesn't change the fact of the quote's existence.

The way people judge a religion by only using a selected number of quotes is laughable.

[Boineburg]

... or people who signed up to be slaves (which is an idiotic proposition in the first place).

Why not? They were fed and sheltered, right?

If you can't afford food and shelter otherwise, I'd rather become a slave than kill myself.

[Steamtopia]

That doesn't change the fact of the quote's existence.

The way people judge a religion by only using a selected number of quotes is laughable.

How else can you interpret the fucking quote?