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What do you choose?

Normal Trial
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46%
Trial by Combat, you represent yourself
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30%
Trial by Combat, hire a professional fighter
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14%
Trial by Combat find a family/friend to fight for you
2
2%
Trial by Combat, use Coster-Waldau as the champion
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8%
 
Total votes : 91

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun May 31, 2015 7:21 pm

Jute wrote:
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so you think you have a higher chance of winning by a normal trial?

Yes, definitely. It happens all the time. No way am I going to try a duel.


the state believes it has a strong case though, and the media is heavily covering this case. There's a lot of political pressure to find you guilty as well.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun May 31, 2015 7:23 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Jute wrote:Yes, definitely. It happens all the time. No way am I going to try a duel.


the state believes it has a strong case though, and the media is heavily covering this case. There's a lot of political pressure to find you guilty as well.

And if he loses, he dies while being declared guilty. Much higher chance of being found innocent in a regular trial. Which is why we moved towards such a system.

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Postby Benuty » Sun May 31, 2015 7:25 pm

Personally since this is the nth thread not cleverly masking Game of Thrones references I would ask to be tried by the new gods, and the old ones thus letting them decide my innocence or guilt.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun May 31, 2015 7:27 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the state believes it has a strong case though, and the media is heavily covering this case. There's a lot of political pressure to find you guilty as well.

And if he loses, he dies while being declared guilty. Much higher chance of being found innocent in a regular trial. Which is why we moved towards such a system.


On the battlefield anything could happen though. You may get a lucky thrust.

Personally, I would try out the Bronn strategy. Using my speed, flexibility, and tactical manoeuvres to evade and tire out the state's champion. I would use the full length of the stadium.

I would only go on the attack once he's tired out and try to get a well-aimed stab in.

It's still a gamble but it could work.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun May 31, 2015 7:29 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:And if he loses, he dies while being declared guilty. Much higher chance of being found innocent in a regular trial. Which is why we moved towards such a system.


On the battlefield anything could happen though. You may get a lucky thrust.

personally, I would try out the Bronn strategy. Using my speed, flexibility, and tactical manoeuvres to evade and tire out the state's champion. I would use the full length of the stadium.

I would only go on the attack once he's tired out and try to get a well-aimed stab in.

It's still a gamble but it could work.

"Anything can happen" sure, if you're well trained or incredibly lucky. But better off well trained.

Bronn was also a very experienced fighter who in the eyes of those who witnessed the fight, fought "dishonourably".

Average person is better off in a normal trial.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun May 31, 2015 7:59 pm

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Jute wrote:Yes, definitely. It happens all the time. No way am I going to try a duel.


the state believes it has a strong case though, and the media is heavily covering this case.

Appeal to SCOTUS.
There's a lot of political pressure to find you guilty as well.

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Postby Aalmark » Sun May 31, 2015 8:01 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the state believes it has a strong case though, and the media is heavily covering this case.

Appeal to SCOTUS.
There's a lot of political pressure to find you guilty as well.

I'm a NEET. Why do they want me fucked? Who is this Littlefinger guy anyway?


Presumably he is a man with a Napoleon Complex of the hands.
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Postby New Naephak » Sun May 31, 2015 8:05 pm

I'd go on with the trial, since even if I get the death penalty, in the States you tend to serve a life sentence before the execution, afaik.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 31, 2015 9:27 pm

If I fight for myself, can I demand that the governor of Texas also fights for himself?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun May 31, 2015 9:33 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:If I fight for myself, can I demand that the governor of Texas also fights for himself?

Unfortunately, this was shortly after Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson was appointed Governor of Texas.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 31, 2015 9:34 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:If I fight for myself, can I demand that the governor of Texas also fights for himself?

Unfortunately, this was shortly after Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson was appointed Governor of Texas.


They are appointing governors now? What happened to voting for stodgy old white dudes?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun May 31, 2015 9:39 pm

Whatever fighter the state chose, they'd undoubtedly be vastly bigger and more experienced than I was. I'd have to stick it out through the trial. The other choice is obviously death.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun May 31, 2015 9:46 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Unfortunately, this was shortly after Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson was appointed Governor of Texas.


They are appointing governors now? What happened to voting for stodgy old white dudes?

*shrugs* It was either appoint him God-Governor of Texas or suffer an atomic wedgie so brutal it's capable of literally undergoing nuclear fusion.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:19 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:If I fight for myself, can I demand that the governor of Texas also fights for himself?


You can try to do so by calling out for him before the media.

Maybe he'll bow to political pressure. Unlikely to work though but who knows. He's not legally obligated to meet you in the field of course. But you could try calling him a chicken or trying to get to his sense of honour somehow.

Why? You think you could take the politician in the field?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:21 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Why? You think you could take the politician in the field?

Yes.

Also OP, can I get something other than a gladius? I'm decently trained with a spear, I'd rather fight with that. Besides, IIRC, in GoT you get to choose your weapon. I choose a spear and shield.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:23 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Why? You think you could take the politician in the field?

Yes.

Also OP, can I get something other than a gladius? I'm decently trained with a spear, I'd rather fight with that. Besides, IIRC, in GoT you get to choose your weapon. I choose a spear and shield.


I'm not sure the state will agree to that. Your lawyer could plead it. The thing is, the Gladiator movie has a very strong cultural influence in the USA and people want to see a fight with the Gladius similar to the Maximus Commodus duel.

When did you get spear training/exposure in real life?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm not sure the state will agree to that. Your lawyer could plead it. The thing is, the Gladiator movie has a very strong cultural influence in the USA and people want to see a fight with the Gladius similar to the Maximus Commodus duel.

I'd wager most people alive haven't seen the Gladiator and only remember that one line from it. Besides, most Americans probably have no idea what gladiators wore/fought with, and are really only aware that they fought to the death.

When did you get spear training/exposure in real life?

There's a decent medieval combat scene near where I live, so I've been getting into European martial arts. I'm a mediocre fencer, but I can swing a hammer and use a spear like nobody's business.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:30 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
When did you get spear training/exposure in real life?

There's a decent medieval combat scene near where I live, so I've been getting into European martial arts. I'm a mediocre fencer, but I can swing a hammer and use a spear like nobody's business.


I see...

So you're like a real life combination of Robert Baratheon and Oberyn Martell?

Its too bad I set the weapon to the Gladius eh?

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:33 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
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There's a decent medieval combat scene near where I live, so I've been getting into European martial arts. I'm a mediocre fencer, but I can swing a hammer and use a spear like nobody's business.


I see...

So you're like a real life combination of Robert Baratheon and Oberyn Martell?

Its too bad I set the weapon to the Gladius eh?

I'm a pretty good grappler, I guess I could just tackle the other guy as hard as possible, drag him to the ground, and wrestle him into a stab-able position.

Considering my family's history of getting seriously fucked over by the law, it's probably a better shot for my freedom than the trial.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:35 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I see...

So you're like a real life combination of Robert Baratheon and Oberyn Martell?

Its too bad I set the weapon to the Gladius eh?

I'm a pretty good grappler, I guess I could just tackle the other guy as hard as possible, drag him to the ground, and wrestle him into a stab-able position.

Considering my family's history of getting seriously fucked over by the law, it's probably a better shot for my freedom than the trial.


Its a valid strategy I suppose. Though if the dude is much bigger, it may be hard to pull off.

Are you going to open with an all-in immediately or tire him out first by dancing around and dodging?

Do you have experience in wrestling?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:40 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Its a valid strategy I suppose. Though if the dude is much bigger, it may be hard to pull off.

Bigger =/= stronger/tougher. I'm not very tall, but I'm real burly. I've taken down dudes bigger than me, a lot of the time because they don't think I can, as a result of being taller.

Are you going to open with an all-in immediately or tire him out first by dancing around and dodging?

No point, my ground game is my best feature. The sooner I can grapple him the sooner I can put the fight squarely to my advantage.

Do you have experience in wrestling?

Yes.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:42 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Its a valid strategy I suppose. Though if the dude is much bigger, it may be hard to pull off.

Bigger =/= stronger/tougher. I'm not very tall, but I'm real burly. I've taken down dudes bigger than me, a lot of the time because they don't think I can, as a result of being taller.

Are you going to open with an all-in immediately or tire him out first by dancing around and dodging?

No point, my ground game is my best feature. The sooner I can grapple him the sooner I can put the fight squarely to my advantage.

Do you have experience in wrestling?

Yes.


I see...

I think you have a point about size. After all, size doesn't matter when you are flat on your back. Also, someone told me that the big men fall just as easily as the little men (if you know what you are doing). It sounds like you are experienced.

You think the authorities will be heavily biased against you in a normal trial because of your record?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:48 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:You think the authorities will be heavily biased against you in a normal trial because of your record?

In Texas? I doubt it. I've never been to Texas in my life. My own record is pretty minimal, too. That being said, as per the circumstances in the OP, I'm not going to hedge my bets on winning a normal civilian trial, due to some issues.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:48 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:You think the authorities will be heavily biased against you in a normal trial because of your record?

In Texas? I doubt it. I've never been to Texas in my life. My own record is pretty minimal, too. That being said, as per the circumstances in the OP, I'm not going to hedge my bets on winning a normal civilian trial, due to some issues.


Its very hard to win in a trial where the State believes it has a very strong case. Without some kind of procedural muck-up on their part, you're probably going down.

Also, most appeals are unsuccessful.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:56 am

How did I not figure it out sooner?

Choose an unborn fetus as your champion. It is Texas, after all.
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