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Should women be subservient to men?

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Yes (please explain)
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Rutuba
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Postby Rutuba » Sun May 31, 2015 7:22 am

Singulus wrote:
Rutuba wrote:And you probably claim to support liberty...

Hierarchy is fundamental for freedom and justice. Equality within a civilised society can only be imposed through oppression.

Funny how you talk about 'imposing' equality, as the opposite is happening: hierarchy and authority are maintained by the use and threat of violence. You claim that the very thing which robs us of freedom is necessary to maintain freedom? Ridiculous.

Of course hierarchy and authority are maintained by the use and threat of violence. People should be able to defend themselves against aggressors.

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Postby Singulus » Sun May 31, 2015 7:36 am

Rutuba wrote:
Singulus wrote:Funny how you talk about 'imposing' equality, as the opposite is happening: hierarchy and authority are maintained by the use and threat of violence. You claim that the very thing which robs us of freedom is necessary to maintain freedom? Ridiculous.

Of course hierarchy and authority are maintained by the use and threat of violence. People should be able to defend themselves against aggressors.

Glad we're agreeing here. :) Truly, people should be able to defend themselves against aggressors. I suspect that the only difference between us is who we consider to be an aggressor. So I ask you: who is the aggressor?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun May 31, 2015 7:41 am

Imperial States America wrote:Women in my views should be completely submissive to their husbands and obey their wishes. As the husband should be able to come home to a wife who has the house clean his dinner ready. When children are involved the wife should take care of them grooming them to please her husband. In other ways I view women as weak and feeble creatures who need to be put in their place by a strong male in the home.


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Postby Skyene » Sun May 31, 2015 7:41 am

Last time I checked, we're living beings, who deserve the basic right to choose who we are and what we want to be.

So, if a woman wants to be submissive, sure. But it's a woman's choice. Men don't have to be dominant. If they want to, fine. But it's their choice as well of who they want to be.

Women and men should be whoever they wish to be.

Unless their wish involves being the new Hitler or Una-bomber.

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Postby Skyene » Sun May 31, 2015 7:42 am

Imperial States America wrote:Women in my views should be completely submissive to their husbands and obey their wishes. As the husband should be able to come home to a wife who has the house clean his dinner ready. When children are involved the wife should take care of them grooming them to please her husband. In other ways I view women as weak and feeble creatures who need to be put in their place by a strong male in the home.


What a nice troll this is. :bow:

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Postby Rutuba » Sun May 31, 2015 7:48 am

Singulus wrote:
Rutuba wrote:Of course hierarchy and authority are maintained by the use and threat of violence. People should be able to defend themselves against aggressors.

Glad we're agreeing here. :) Truly, people should be able to defend themselves against aggressors. I suspect that the only difference between us is who we consider to be an aggressor. So I ask you: who is the aggressor?

Those who infringe on other people's legitimate rights. Hence, progressive social engineers like feminists are certainly aggressors.

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Postby Singulus » Sun May 31, 2015 8:02 am

Rutuba wrote:
Singulus wrote:Glad we're agreeing here. :) Truly, people should be able to defend themselves against aggressors. I suspect that the only difference between us is who we consider to be an aggressor. So I ask you: who is the aggressor?

Those who infringe on other people's legitimate rights. Hence, progressive social engineers like feminists are certainly aggressors.

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Postby Yuketobaniac » Sun May 31, 2015 8:04 am

the only thing i think women shouldn't do is be in combat
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Postby The Qeiiam Galaxy » Sun May 31, 2015 8:08 am

Yeah, a woman's place is in the kitchen, making sammiches!

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Postby Singulus » Sun May 31, 2015 8:15 am

Yuketobaniac wrote:the only thing i think women shouldn't do is be in combat

Why is that?
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Postby Dominated Earth » Sun May 31, 2015 8:19 am

No. Women should be whatever they want.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun May 31, 2015 8:20 am

No. If we want to close the gender gap, this isn't the way to do it.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 31, 2015 8:25 am

Depends on whose turn it is to be the dom.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun May 31, 2015 8:35 am

Saint Kitten wrote:
Imperial States America wrote:Women in my views should be completely submissive to their husbands and obey their wishes. As the husband should be able to come home to a wife who has the house clean his dinner ready. When children are involved the wife should take care of them grooming them to please her husband. In other ways I view women as weak and feeble creatures who need to be put in their place by a strong male in the home.

It is unfortunate that people still think like this.


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Postby Alcase » Sun May 31, 2015 8:37 am

Galloism wrote:My opinion is we should let women be who they want to be.
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Postby Rutuba » Sun May 31, 2015 8:50 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:No. If we want to close the gender gap, this isn't the way to do it.

But why do you want to do so?

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Postby Singulus » Sun May 31, 2015 9:30 am

Rutuba wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:No. If we want to close the gender gap, this isn't the way to do it.

But why do you want to do so?

Because gender roles are wholly arbitrary and unnecessary for society to function? Because they rob women and men of their individuality literally for nothing in return?
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Postby Memer » Sun May 31, 2015 10:20 am

Yes they should. I personally find the male gender superior.
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Postby Singulus » Sun May 31, 2015 10:22 am

Memer wrote:Yes they should. I personally find the male gender superior.

How libertarian and progressive of you.
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Postby Replevion » Sun May 31, 2015 10:22 am

Memer wrote:Yes they should. I personally find the male gender superior.


A complete coincidence with no bias from your own accident of birth I'm sure.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun May 31, 2015 10:32 am

Skyene wrote:
Imperial States America wrote:Women in my views should be completely submissive to their husbands and obey their wishes. As the husband should be able to come home to a wife who has the house clean his dinner ready. When children are involved the wife should take care of them grooming them to please her husband. In other ways I view women as weak and feeble creatures who need to be put in their place by a strong male in the home.


What a nice troll this is. :bow:

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Postby Xanama » Sun May 31, 2015 10:34 am

Memer wrote:Yes they should. I personally find the male gender superior.

There's no such thing as a "superior gender"

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun May 31, 2015 10:34 am

My opinion and assertion is that all sexes and sexual orientations are equal. In this era, there is no argument for sexual discrimination, not even against LGBTs.
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Postby Dominated Earth » Sun May 31, 2015 10:35 am

Memer wrote:Yes they should. I personally find the male gender superior.


That's very progressive of you.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sun May 31, 2015 10:35 am

Only if they want to be, not if they're forced to be.
Memer wrote:Yes they should. I personally find the male gender superior.

Why men, of all the genders?
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