Feminism in decline

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Implying gender inequality is not a real problem...however you do not just wave a wand and fix the education system, It too is a problem, at least in the US, but it is a slow fix.

"Implying gender inequality is not a real problem" Explain how it is. You tard. (Sorry for calling you a tard, I just added that because...?)

Lovely. Childish ad hominems always make one appear intelligent and mature.

A prime example is the workplace discrimination that takes place in the US, where in some states women earn almost half as much as men.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Yes yes, clam down everyone.

I remember when WE HAD REAL PROBLEMS. Or even today the fact that in CA is in a major drought that could end up very bad. But no, instead I see parents and old white men turning kids into pussys and bitches that run and hide at the site of a gym ball. Also no seems to care about our shitty ass education system and how flawed it is. Nope just radical feminism and parents getting rid of shwityballs flavored ice cream because your kids are to retarded to see that. Ug, this world makes me deadly sick.

Because sexism and racism aren't real problems.

We care about the rest of that shit too, you just don't fucking listen.

[UIJ]

"Implying gender inequality is not a real problem" Explain how it is. You tard. (Sorry for calling you a tard, I just added that because...?)

Lovely. Childish ad hominems always make one appear intelligent and mature.

A prime example is the workplace discrimination that takes place in the US, where in some states women earn almost half as much as men.

You must be ten, can you count to ten? That's been proven to be biased and wrong, also take the fact in of how hard a person works, their position in their job field and if wemen do get payed less at a place because it's a small biz and maybe the owner is sexist. You uncultured swine.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Lovely. Childish ad hominems always make one appear intelligent and mature.

A prime example is the workplace discrimination that takes place in the US, where in some states women earn almost half as much as men.

You must be ten, can you count to ten? That's been proven to be biased and wrong, also take the fact in of how hard a person works, their position in their job field and if wemen do get payed less at a place maybe the owner is sexist. You uncultured swine.

Really? Where has it been proven that gender wage gaps a myth? Do share.

[UIJ]

You must be ten, can you count to ten? That's been proven to be biased and wrong, also take the fact in of how hard a person works, their position in their job field and if wemen do get payed less at a place maybe the owner is sexist. You uncultured swine.

Really? Where has it been proven that gender wage gaps are proven to be a myth? Do share.

Fine, just give me a minute.

[Llamalandia]

No it's not. The way I see it is, cool you like gender equality, you don't have to be a feminist. Or a "meninist" for that matter. People, just clam the fuck down.

...that is kind of exactly what "feminism" means.

No, that is how feminism is defined. There is a difference between how a word is define and what it actually means. Feminism is defined as a movement calling for equal treatment of men and women. But in reality it largely means something very different and has since at least the end of the second wave.
By definition most people are feminists. But few identify with the label of feminist because the word has come to mean a whole lot of things people don't like and which have little to do with genuinely fostering equality or defending rights.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Lovely. Childish ad hominems always make one appear intelligent and mature.

A prime example is the workplace discrimination that takes place in the US, where in some states women earn almost half as much as men.

and maybe the owner is sexist.

...Which just proves that sexism is an issue no?

[Llamalandia]

You must be ten, can you count to ten? That's been proven to be biased and wrong, also take the fact in of how hard a person works, their position in their job field and if wemen do get payed less at a place maybe the owner is sexist. You uncultured swine.

Really? Where has it been proven that gender wage gaps a myth? Do share.

IT is exagerrate and obscured. The methodologies are often suspect. That said, there is likely a slight unjustified gap but it is rather small. Shouldn't be ignore, but it isn't a huge issue either.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

...that is kind of exactly what "feminism" means.

No, that is how feminism is defined.

good fuck do you read what you post

[Source]

I wouldn't quite agree with this, while it's true fewer people are calling themselves feminists, I notice even more people identify with the sentiments feminism was meant to be about than ever before, they just chose not to call it feminism.
What I really want to know is how these conservative "feminists" who are so often homophobic and transphobic were able to achieve such a relatively large influence in such a small amount of time. I wouldn't be surprised if they were receiving political aid and funding.
Whatever the case I don't think anyone should be afraid to call themselves a feminist if actual gender equality is their goal.

[UIJ]

and maybe the owner is sexist.

...Which just proves that sexism is an issue no?

Here you are you pansy: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... -pay-myth/

[Steamtopia]

Implying gender inequality is not a real problem...however you do not just wave a wand and fix the education system, It too is a problem, at least in the US, but it is a slow fix.

"Implying gender inequality is not a real problem" Explain how it is. You tard. (Sorry for calling you a tard, I just added that because...?)

Because you want to get banned, apparently.

[Llamalandia]

No, that is how feminism is defined.

good fuck do you read what you post

Not sure what that i supposed to mean exactly. Have I said, feminism was defined some other way? I mean I supposed I might have. If I did I was wrong but now I am clarifying the difference between definition and meaning. And if you think you are going to provide a definition of the word "meaning" don't bother.

[UIJ]

and maybe the owner is sexist.

...Which just proves that sexism is an issue no?

Because everyone's a sexist no?

[Llamalandia]

"Implying gender inequality is not a real problem" Explain how it is. You tard. (Sorry for calling you a tard, I just added that because...?)

Because you want to get banned, apparently.

Dude has, like 13 post half of which are in this thread. Ease up a bit.

[Steamtopia]

In 2013 Yougov published a poll showing that 28% of Americans considered themselves feminists.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2013/05/0 ... irty-word/

Just 28% of Americans consider themselves feminists, with women twice as likely as men to use that label for themselves. And the latest Economist/YouGov Poll suggests that for women at least, feminism is generational, with the youngest women and those who came of age during the 1970’s feminist movement the most willing to use that label for themselves.

2014 and early 2015 was a particularly damaging time for feminism it seems, as now only 18% of Americans consider themselves feminists.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/8/8372417/fem ... ality-poll

A decline meaning around one in three people who considered themselves feminists a mere two years ago have quit the movement.

What do you attribute to the decline? Do you consider it a good thing? Will there be a bounce back, or is this the beginning of a death spiral?

Personally I consider this to be a neutral thing. I'd wager that those quitting the movement are moderates disgusted by modern feminist rhetoric and feminist organizations blatant hypocrisy, as well as the misandry and gynocentrism. This will sadly mean that feminism becomes even more dominated by hateful strains of feminism, but that also quickens the time by which people will no longer tolerate or assist the movement in it's goals, and a new movement (Or potentially, a new wave of feminism that includes a stronger focus on mens issues) will kick off.

If a new wave is founded there may be a bounce back. I do think this is the beginning of the death spiral for the third wave, as more and more moderates are driven out of the movement.

In the interest of trying to throw up a neutral OP, despite my views being well known, an alternative explanation for the decline in feminism is internet anti-feminist campaigning, which I gather feminists regard as disinformation and lies about their movement. If this is the case, it would seem to indicate that anti-feminism is a stronger force in the internet age.

Some feminists may also blame media reporting on feminism as focusing on the most toxic and sexist strains of feminism and misrepresenting their movement, which may effect peoples willingness to identify as feminist.

Apparently America = literally everywhere.

[UIJ]

"Implying gender inequality is not a real problem" Explain how it is. You tard. (Sorry for calling you a tard, I just added that because...?)

Because you want to get banned, apparently.

I don't think you can get banned for calling someone a tard...

[Steamtopia]

Because you want to get banned, apparently.

I don't think you can get banned for calling someone a tard...

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

...Which just proves that sexism is an issue no?

Here you are you pansy: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... -pay-myth/

One opinion piece on Forbes that simply makes conjecture is hardly concrete proof.

[UIJ]

I don't think you can get banned for calling someone a tard...

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise.

Like you haven't said anything on the level of the insult tard before capt. Cleanliness.

[Steamtopia]

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise.

Like you haven't said anything on the level of the insult tard before capt. Cleanliness.

I haven't called anyone on this forum "tard" or an equivalent, no.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise.

Like you haven't said anything on the level of the insult tard before capt. Cleanliness.

Not on this website, considering it is flaming and possibly trolling. I would just cut down on the name calling and personal attacks in general.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise.

Like you haven't said anything on the level of the insult tard before capt. Cleanliness.

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[Llamalandia]

Like you haven't said anything on the level of the insult tard before capt. Cleanliness.

Not on this website, considering it is flaming and possibly trolling. I would just cut down on the name calling and personal attacks in general.

Who cares can we just get back to the actual debate please.

[UIJ]

Like you haven't said anything on the level of the insult tard before capt. Cleanliness.

Not on this website, considering it is flaming and possibly trolling. I would just cut down on the name calling and personal attacks in general.

Sure, sure, but I like STAYING on topic, and when saying everyone here are over sensitive people is that something that could get me banned? I don't think so.

And for you: http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime ... Than+Women?
And because you'll want more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... n-men.html