Feminism in decline

[Geilinor]

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in feminists. Feminism isn't prepared for substantive critique, it expects to be accepted without question or rejected out of hand. The problem with feminism is that it's about advancing women, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to men in terms of privileges- just advancing women full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that men face.

Do you know what a source is

Patriarchy is bullshit. The same society that says men are powerful and women are weak says women's lives are inherently more precious. Looking at this as patriarchy is asinine, it is beyond stupid. Feminism is an idiotic movement that pushes traditionalist narratives that just aren't true.

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in delusional men. Delusional men aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question or had sex with. The problem with delusional men is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to women in terms of privileges- just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other mens' egos face.

You're fighting strawmen. It's a common radical tactic that you see a lot in delusional radical feminists. Delusional radical feminists aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question. The problem with delusional radical feminists is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to men in terms of privileges - just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other people face.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Those familiar with feminist theory are familiar with the fact that the abolition of the binarily opposed patriarchal system would effectively liberate everyone from traditionalist coercion. But, as we witness in the statutes of Ostro and Des-Bal, patriarchy is a lie being used to demonize and imprison men.

Ignoring for the moment your massive ad-hominims of your opponents, I'll go on to explain that the term 'Patriarchy' implies a conspiracy for the benefit of men at the detriment of women. In reality, wealthy and powerful men and women benefit, and marginalized men and women suffer according to their gender roles, and suffer more when they try to change or leave those roles.

[Des-Bal]

You're fighting strawmen. It's a common radical tactic that you see a lot in delusional radical feminists. Delusional radical feminists aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question. The problem with delusional radical feminists is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to men in terms of privileges - just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other people face.

I know that I'm a font of brilliance without which life is impossible and the world is colorless but I fear so many modifications and retranslations of my divine word cause it to lose meaning.

[The New World Oceania]

Patriarchal influence and values result in men being conditioned to be more violent than women and women to be more submissive. But I guess patriarchy isn't real, so there's a conspiracy where the female overlords are imprisoning men.

Do women commit only 7% of all violent or dangerous acts in the country?

According to the US Department of Justice, it's close.

• Males commit the vast majority of homicides in the United States, representing 90.5% of the total number of offenders.
• Young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.
• White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups.
• Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Is there a discrepancy? Yes. Will abolition of a patriarchally-rooted systemic view of men as inclined toward aggression and violence resolve that discrepancy. Yes, but according to the men's rights crusaders there's no systemic view to abolish.

The fact is that men's rights "activism" is like the NRA. They don't want the issue resolved. They're making a lot of money and press by keeping the problem as alive and dangerous as possible. From there stems the vehement denial of systemic discrepancy based in the masculine-feminine binary opposition.

Continue to masturbate in your thought-ridden mirror maze. Pretending people are becoming stupider and that legitimate critical theory is declining is equivalent to saying that straight people just need to fight a little harder to gain back their right to stone homosexuals. Delusional, offensive, outdated, and straight-up fucking stupid.

[Des-Bal]

According to the US Department of Justice, it's close.

• Males commit the vast majority of homicides in the United States, representing 90.5% of the total number of offenders.
• Young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.
• White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups.
• Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Is there a discrepancy? Yes. Will abolition of a patriarchally-rooted systemic view of men as inclined toward aggression and violence resolve that discrepancy. Yes, but according to the men's rights crusaders there's no systemic view to abolish.

The fact is that men's rights "activism" is like the NRA. They don't want the issue resolved. They're making a lot of money and press by keeping the problem as alive and dangerous as possible. From there stems the vehement denial of systemic discrepancy based in the masculine-feminine binary opposition.

The solution to women's problems is campaigns and policies and programs and the solutions to men's problems is the eventual and distant achievement of a gender neutral society. It's sexism pure and simple.

[Ashkera]

The fact is that men's rights "activism" is like the NRA. They don't want the issue resolved. They're making a lot of money and press by keeping the problem as alive and dangerous as possible. From there stems the vehement denial of systemic discrepancy based in the masculine-feminine binary opposition.

MRA groups are currently a tiny minority, and lack the sort of million-dollar lobbying NGOs that feminism has. Do you have a citation that they're actually making a lot of money on this?

[Geilinor]

According to the US Department of Justice, it's close.

• Males commit the vast majority of homicides in the United States, representing 90.5% of the total number of offenders.
• Young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.
• White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups.
• Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Is there a discrepancy? Yes. Will abolition of a patriarchally-rooted systemic view of men as inclined toward aggression and violence resolve that discrepancy. Yes, but according to the men's rights crusaders there's no systemic view to abolish.

The fact is that men's rights "activism" is like the NRA. They don't want the issue resolved. They're making a lot of money and press by keeping the problem as alive and dangerous as possible. From there stems the vehement denial of systemic discrepancy based in the masculine-feminine binary opposition.

The solution to women's problems is campaigns and policies and programs and the solutions to men's problems is the eventual and distant achievement of a gender neutral society. It's sexism pure and simple.

Honestly it sounds like communism. The eventual magical abolition of oppression will free us all.
EDIT: Shit, I sound like Ostro at this point.

[Ostroeuropa]

The solution to women's problems is campaigns and policies and programs and the solutions to men's problems is the eventual and distant achievement of a gender neutral society. It's sexism pure and simple.

Honestly it sounds like communism. The eventual magical abolition of oppression will free us all.
EDIT: Shit, I sound like Ostro at this point.

Paradise beyond the urals.
You sound like me because i'm bloody right

[Luna Amore]

1. You used my quote against me and my personal delusions are preventing me from responding.

2. Yes, but I never use them.

*** Warned for flamebaiting/malicious quote editing ***

Let's keep it civil, please.

[Aelex]

Honestly it sounds like communism. The eventual magical abolition of oppression will free us all.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The solution to women's problems is campaigns and policies and programs and the solutions to men's problems is the eventual and distant achievement of a gender neutral society. It's sexism pure and simple.

Honestly it sounds like communism. The eventual magical abolition of oppression will free us all.
EDIT: Shit, I sound like Ostro at this point.

Just remember, if you've got issues or struggles of your own, mentioning them rather than keeping to our party line is divisive and will only slow down your group's eventual emancipation. Which will happen when we get round to it, like uh...sometime. Hey, look over there, a distraction! QUICK, GET THEM WITH AN ICEPICK.

[Haktiva]

Honestly it sounds like communism. The eventual magical abolition of oppression will free us all.

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[Chessmistress]

According to the US Department of Justice, it's close.

• Males commit the vast majority of homicides in the United States, representing 90.5% of the total number of offenders.
• Young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.
• White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups.
• Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Is there a discrepancy? Yes. Will abolition of a patriarchally-rooted systemic view of men as inclined toward aggression and violence resolve that discrepancy. Yes, but according to the men's rights crusaders there's no systemic view to abolish.

The fact is that men's rights "activism" is like the NRA. They don't want the issue resolved. They're making a lot of money and press by keeping the problem as alive and dangerous as possible. From there stems the vehement denial of systemic discrepancy based in the masculine-feminine binary opposition.

The solution to women's problems is campaigns and policies and programs and the solutions to men's problems is the eventual and distant achievement of a gender neutral society. It's sexism pure and simple.

No, it isn't sexism.
Women's problem are worse: patriarchy is meant to dominate women, not males, that's why we have it worse.
The collapse of patriarchy will solve even the problems pertaining males, but that's not a priority because it's women that have it worse, not males.
I totally agree with all the things that New World Oceania wrote: a great ally, really.

[Des-Bal]

No, it isn't sexism.
Women's problem are worse: patriarchy is meant to dominate women, not males, that's why we have it worse.
The collapse of patriarchy will solve even the problems pertaining males, but that's not a priority because it's women that have it worse, not males.
I totally agree with all the things that New World Oceania wrote: a great ally, really.

Patriarchy isn't real.

[Tahar Joblis]

Do women commit only 7% of all violent or dangerous acts in the country?

According to the US Department of Justice, it's close.

Based on arrest figures. From a system which is systematically biased against men (and particularly black men) at every step of the way.

I'll just call you a racist as well as a sexist for using those figures as a basis for study. Take drug use.

Go to the NIH.. That one tells us that 42% of white non-hispanic women have used illicit drugs or made illicit use of prescription drugs within the last 12 months. 5.8% used an illicit drug other than marijuana in the last 12 months. 36% of African-American men had used an illicit drug or made illicit use of prescription drugs within the last 12 months. 4.3% used an illicit drug other than marijuana in the past 12 months.

Or, in other words, white women are actually more likely to use illegal drugs than black men. They were somewhat less likely (43.3/10.6) to use illegal drugs than white men, but even white men have less than twice the actual offending rate when it comes to illegal drugs. Similar figures here. Basically, somewhere around 60-65% of drug users are male, tops.

Now go to arrest data. Men as a whole were 4.4 times as likely to be arrested for drug abuse in 2003, and 3.9 times as likely to be arrested for drug abuse in 2012.

Divide that out and you get the following conditional probability: If you abused drugs illegally in 2012, you were over twice as likely to be arrested if you were male than if you were female. You were about three times as likely to be arrested if you were black.

It isn't that white women were actually committing fewer drug offenses than black men. To the contrary, white women committed more drug offenses per capita than black men. It's simply that the justice system targets blacks and men.

We can see this gendered pattern in domestic violence arrests. Women commit roughly half of all intimate partner violence, inflict more than a third of serious injuries, and commit more than two thirds of all non-reciprocal domestic violence. However, women are generally arrested at no more than 1/6 the rate of men.

You are pointing to outcomes influenced by sexism against men in the criminal justice system to try to defend sexism against men by the criminal justice system. It's ultimately a circular argument once we dig down far enough.

[Natapoc]

No, it isn't sexism.
Women's problem are worse: patriarchy is meant to dominate women, not males, that's why we have it worse.
The collapse of patriarchy will solve even the problems pertaining males, but that's not a priority because it's women that have it worse, not males.
I totally agree with all the things that New World Oceania wrote: a great ally, really.

Patriarchy isn't real.

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

Can you define patriarchy for us?

[Geilinor]

Patriarchy isn't real.

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

The election of female heads of state makes little difference. For example, France has had no female presidents while India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka have had female presidents or prime ministers and face more sexism.

[Natapoc]

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

Can you define patriarchy for us?

Simply put it's the social domination of men over women. When men predominantly lead.

One formal definition is:

"The manifestation and institutionalization of male dominance over women and children in the family and the extension of male dominance over women in society in general. It implies that men hold power in all the important institutions of society and women are deprived of access to such power. It does not imply that women are either totally powerless or totally deprived of rights, influences, and resources "

[Natapoc]

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

The election of female heads of state makes little difference. For example, France has had no female presidents while India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka have had female presidents or prime ministers and face more sexism.

Yes there is more to patriarchy than the gender that occupies the highest office. I never said otherwise.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The election of female heads of state makes little difference. For example, France has had no female presidents while India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka have had female presidents or prime ministers and face more sexism.

Yes there is more to patriarchy than the gender that occupies the highest office. I never said otherwise.

I'm not sure where you're trying to put the goalposts, but it's not at the goal zone.

[Natapoc]

Yes there is more to patriarchy than the gender that occupies the highest office. I never said otherwise.

I'm not sure where you're trying to put the goalposts, but it's not at the goal zone.

Please explain. I'm not moving any goal posts at all. Read the quote history.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Yes there is more to patriarchy than the gender that occupies the highest office. I never said otherwise.

I'm not sure where you're trying to put the goalposts, but it's not at the goal zone.

Please explain. I'm not moving any goal posts at all. Read the quote history.[/quote]

Patriarchy isn't real.

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

You said that as if it was evidence that patriarchy was real, then you just brushed it off when somebody pointed out the flaw in your logic.

[Des-Bal]

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

No, if patriarchy was real nearly 100% of people killed in wars would be women.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Which is why about 50% of past US presidents were female... Oh wait!

Patriarchy is real.

No, if patriarchy was real nearly 100% of people killed in wars would be women.

What insane breed of logic is that?