Feminism in decline

[Occupied Deutschland]

No true feminist.

Basic definitions mean nothing anymore, I see.

Right, like supporting girls education when they are already ahead of boys in most areas or complaining about the way society handles female victims rape when western governments deny male victims are real victims? Providing more and more services for female victims of domestic violence even though male victims are more common? That's not fighting for equality, it's pursuing privilege.

Advocating for things that might turn out badly or be counterproductive doesn't mean you're actively a bad person...

Advocating for things and refusing to take note of the available data (or actively suppressing the collection or dissemination of such data) on things related to those things being advocated, meanwhile, DOES.

[Arcaniana]

there is a word for what you are doing here and what the articles linked are doing: it is called confirmation bias

No. It's called sourcing my argument. It's how you back up your statements in a debate.

sourcing an argument and trying to find links that prove your position without even asking yourself "am I wrong?" are 2 different things

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No. It's called sourcing my argument. It's how you back up your statements in a debate.

sourcing an argument and trying to find links that prove your position without even asking yourself "am I wrong?" are 2 different things

Considering a couple years ago I was on the opposite side of the fence, I think I'm good on that front.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Advocating for things and refusing to take note of the available data (or actively suppressing the collection or dissemination of such data) on things related to those things being advocated, meanwhile, DOES.

That's so common in activism and politics it's not even funny. People aren't perfect, they want their worldviews and opinions confirmed regardless.

[Des-Bal]

That's so common in activism and politics it's not even funny. People aren't perfect, they want their worldviews and opinions confirmed regardless.

Right and when those people are causing severe problems they should stop or be stopped.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

That's so common in activism and politics it's not even funny. People aren't perfect, they want their worldviews and opinions confirmed regardless.

Right and when those people are causing severe problems they should stop or be stopped.

Okay then, we're in agreement.

Feminism is still necessary, though.

[Des-Bal]

Okay then, we're in agreement.

Feminism is still necessary, though.

No, absolutely not. It should be dismantled and replaced by an actual egalitarian movement.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No, absolutely not. It should be dismantled and replaced by an actual egalitarian movement.

Considering males are still the ones running society, yes, it is necessary. Advocating for women on the grounds of equality of the sexes is what needs to happen.

The patriarchy is what needs to be dismantled.

[Des-Bal]

Considering males are still the ones running society, yes, it is necessary. Advocating for women on the grounds of equality of the sexes is what needs to happen.

The patriarchy is what needs to be dismantled.

Patriarchy is bullshit. The same society that says men are powerful and women are weak says women's lives are inherently more precious. Looking at this as patriarchy is asinine, it is beyond stupid. Feminism is an idiotic movement that pushes traditionalist narratives that just aren't true.

[Galloism]

No, absolutely not. It should be dismantled and replaced by an actual egalitarian movement.

Considering males are still the ones running society, yes, it is necessary. Advocating for women on the grounds of equality of the sexes is what needs to happen.

The patriarchy is what needs to be dismantled.

Advocating for men on the grounds of equality of the sexes is necessary as well, particularly men of lower class and minorities, who are at the intersection of anti-male bias and racial bias.

[Kalmarium]

There is also the thing that women in the West tend to have it far better off than women (and even men) in other parts of the world.

[Natapoc]

There is also the thing that women in the West tend to have it far better off than women (and even men) in other parts of the world.

There is also the thing that people in the west tend to have it far better off than people in other parts of the world. This probably has something to do with colonialism but probably has nothing to do with feminism.

[Kalmarium]

There is also the thing that women in the West tend to have it far better off than women (and even men) in other parts of the world.

There is also the thing that people in the west tend to have it far better off than people in other parts of the world. This probably has something to do with colonialism but probably has nothing to do with feminism.

Or more democratic systems?

Sweden, for example, did not have a vast colonial empire.

[Rostogovia]

Considering males are still the ones running society, yes, it is necessary. Advocating for women on the grounds of equality of the sexes is what needs to happen.

The patriarchy is what needs to be dismantled.

Patriarchy is bullshit. The same society that says men are powerful and women are weak says women's lives are inherently more precious. Looking at this as patriarchy is asinine, it is beyond stupid. Feminism is an idiotic movement that pushes traditionalist narratives that just aren't true.

Then how come despite making up more than half of the human race, almost all of the fortune 500 corporations have male CEO's? Women are denied reproductive rights, largely due to the actions of male politicians? Women are quite obviously the main victims of gender discrimination.

[The New World Oceania]

Yeah, it's about taking over all the government institutions. You caught us.

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in feminists. Feminism isn't prepared for substantive critique, it expects to be accepted without question or rejected out of hand. The problem with feminism is that it's about advancing women, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to men in terms of privileges- just advancing women full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that men face.

Do you know what a source is

Considering males are still the ones running society, yes, it is necessary. Advocating for women on the grounds of equality of the sexes is what needs to happen.

The patriarchy is what needs to be dismantled.

Patriarchy is bullshit. The same society that says men are powerful and women are weak says women's lives are inherently more precious. Looking at this as patriarchy is asinine, it is beyond stupid. Feminism is an idiotic movement that pushes traditionalist narratives that just aren't true.

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in delusional men. Delusional men aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question or had sex with. The problem with delusional men is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to women in terms of privileges- just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other mens' egos face.

[Des-Bal]

Do you know what a source is

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in delusional men. Delusional men aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question or had sex with. The problem with delusional men is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to women in terms of privileges- just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other mens' egos face.

1. You butchered that quote and used it in a context where it made no sense.

2. I do know what a source is, do you know what a source is for?

[Des-Bal]

Then how come despite making up more than half of the human race, almost all of the fortune 500 corporations have male CEO's? Women are denied reproductive rights, largely due to the actions of male politicians? Women are quite obviously the main victims of gender discrimination.

Why is it that despite making up less than half the human race men make up 93% of prisoners in the united states?

[The New World Oceania]

Do you know what a source is

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in delusional men. Delusional men aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question or had sex with. The problem with delusional men is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to women in terms of privileges- just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other mens' egos face.

1. You used my quote against me and my personal delusions are preventing me from responding.

2. Yes, but I never use them.

[The New World Oceania]

Then how come despite making up more than half of the human race, almost all of the fortune 500 corporations have male CEO's? Women are denied reproductive rights, largely due to the actions of male politicians? Women are quite obviously the main victims of gender discrimination.

Why is it that despite making up less than half the human race men make up 93% of prisoners in the united states?

Patriarchal influence and values result in men being conditioned to be more violent than women and women to be more submissive. But I guess patriarchy isn't real, so there's a conspiracy where the female overlords are imprisoning men.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Then how come despite making up more than half of the human race, almost all of the fortune 500 corporations have male CEO's? Women are denied reproductive rights, largely due to the actions of male politicians? Women are quite obviously the main victims of gender discrimination.

Traditional society seeks to control men and women and force both into gender roles. Women are not uniquely.victimized by this.

[Des-Bal]

Too many windows

[Geilinor]

Why is it that despite making up less than half the human race men make up 93% of prisoners in the united states?

Patriarchal influence and values result in men being conditioned to be more violent than women and women to be more submissive. But I guess patriarchy isn't real, so there's a conspiracy where the female overlords are imprisoning men.

Do women commit only 7% of all violent or dangerous acts in the country?

[The New World Oceania]

Then how come despite making up more than half of the human race, almost all of the fortune 500 corporations have male CEO's? Women are denied reproductive rights, largely due to the actions of male politicians? Women are quite obviously the main victims of gender discrimination.

Traditional society seeks to control men and women and force both into gender roles. Women are not uniquely.victimized by this.

Those familiar with feminist theory are familiar with the fact that the abolition of the binarily opposed patriarchal system would effectively liberate everyone from traditionalist coercion. But, as we witness in the statutes of Ostro and Des-Bal, patriarchy is a lie being used to demonize and imprison men.

[Ashkera]

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in delusional men. Delusional men aren't prepared for substantive critique, they expect to be accepted without question or had sex with. The problem with delusional men is that it's about advancing their egos, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to women in terms of privileges- just advancing their egos full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that other mens' egos face.

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This is just another part of the feminist threat narrative around men, and around all political opposition or questioning of feminism as a movement. It relies on the Traditionalist narrative of men as strong, impure predators, to portray all disagreement as a source of potential danger, attempting to justify shutting down discourse. After all, you wouldn't play nice with someone holding a gun to your head, right?

But lots of men who disagree with the feminist political movement aren't "entitled" sex-criminals-to-be. And they're noticing what movement is trying to pull this against them, and it's driving them into the opposition - and not just Traditionalist opposition.

[Des-Bal]

Those familiar with feminist theory are familiar with the fact that the abolition of the binarily opposed patriarchal system would effectively liberate everyone from traditionalist coercion. But, as we witness in the statutes of Ostro and Des-Bal, patriarchy is a lie being used to demonize and imprison men.

You're fighting strawmen. I'm not saying the feminist cabal is locking men up I'm saying that men clearly have problems that just don't make sense from the perspective of patriarchy.