Feminism in decline

[Ostroeuropa]

This kind of misandry is fucking endemic to your movement. It cripples your ability to be useful to society. That post there is another example of feminism routinely being unable to fix womens problems, and just shouting at men for them.

I love how both you and ChessMistress think I'm a misandrist. Do you both also share an interest in equestrian fantasy based on my little pony?

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Dunno about Chessmistress.

[Chessmistress]

You're a cultural feminist, a matriarchist, like my partner.

Are you hitting on me? Sorry I'm married. No not to Des-Bal.

No
My partner is jealous
And also I don't know you enough
Married to a male or a woman? Just a curiosity...

If it was not so immoral I'd make a "roleplay" account and talk about male rape the way you and others talk about rape against women. But I can't even bring myself to satirize your viewpoint because I would think myself a horrible person.

It's not a matter of "morality": it's a matter of personal coherency and fairness towards other users. OOC is OOC.
If one wish roleplay, there's the game: you can found a custom nation or region for these things (or joining an existing region I know a region where there's even an agency that promotes abuses against males, human sacrifices and satanic rituals on the ground that "Satan is a Woman" )

[Natapoc]

Are you hitting on me? Sorry I'm married. No not to Des-Bal.

No
My partner is jealous
And also I don't know you enough
Married to a male or a woman? Just a curiosity...

If it was not so immoral I'd make a "roleplay" account and talk about male rape the way you and others talk about rape against women. But I can't even bring myself to satirize your viewpoint because I would think myself a horrible person.

It's not a matter of "morality": it's a matter of personal coherency and fairness towards other users. OOC is OOC.
If one wish roleplay, there's the game: you can found a custom nation or region for these things (or joining an existing region I know a region where there's even an agency that promotes abuses against males, human sacrifices and satanic rituals on the ground that "Satan is a Woman" )

Oh really? What region would that be? An agency that promotes abuse against males?

I think our MRA friends here would call that the justice department.

[Des-Bal]

Oh really? What region would that be? An agency that promotes abuse against males?

I think our MRA friends here would call that the justice department.

Lol, the justice department doesn't consider it rape to fuck men against their will. What humor.

[Salandriagado]

Why would it be Cognitive dissonance?

If one believes that females are on average more intelligent than males than they may very well be anti feminist on the grounds that equality would simply bring society down to the level of men. People who believe that men are biologically inferior to women are often anti feminist.

If one believe that women are on average more intelligent than males than she cannot also say that feminism - a movement created by women and for women - is a flawed ideology. Otherwise that would be very conflicting with the first affirmation, that women are more intelligent: very intelligent people aren't likely to create a flawed ideology.

I'm just curious: examples of declared anti-feminists believing men are biologically inferior to women? I never find something similar, it would be interesting to see it.

"You're smarter than me" does not, in any way, imply "you're right about everything".

[Haktiva]

Some basic and funny(IMO) breakdown on the Tim Hunt thing.

[The New World Oceania]

This delusional thread based on a false reading of two studies methodology in absentia is still ongoing. And, unless this is the MRA mirrormaze masturbation thread, I'm going to assume that means people have been debating here. And on those grounds, I'm going to conclude that it's not declining if there are still people willing daily to work up the excruciating amount of energy needed to come back here and debate that women do in fact deserve rights.

[Haktiva]

This delusional thread based on a false reading of two studies methodology in absentia is still ongoing. And, unless this is the MRA mirrormaze masturbation thread, I'm going to assume that means people have been debating here. And on those grounds, I'm going to conclude that it's not declining if there are still people willing daily to work up the excruciating amount of energy needed to come back here and debate that women do in fact deserve rights.

through government fiat?

[Kelinfort]

Some basic and funny(IMO) breakdown on the Tim Hunt thing.

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You don't find his comments the least bit objectionable?

[Haktiva]

Some basic and funny(IMO) breakdown on the Tim Hunt thing.

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You don't find his comments the least bit objectionable?

no, I don't take offense to generalizations or stereotypes, I usually just find them funny. clearly the man didn't know his audience. I actually do like the idea of labs separated by gender, as it would be an interesting social experiment.

[Des-Bal]

This delusional thread based on a false reading of two studies methodology in absentia is still ongoing. And, unless this is the MRA mirrormaze masturbation thread, I'm going to assume that means people have been debating here. And on those grounds, I'm going to conclude that it's not declining if there are still people willing daily to work up the excruciating amount of energy needed to come back here and debate that women do in fact deserve rights.

If feminism was just about women having rights there would be no issue. I've seen exceedingly few people suggest that women should not have rights. Objections to feminism take the form of questioning theories, proposals, and policies. If you'd look through the thread I'm sure you'd find a few fine examples of why a lot of people don't want their fingerprints on feminism.

[Pyravia]

I think it's good, the word has become toxic and there's no saving it now. Egalitarians still good for now.

[Tahar Joblis]

You don't find his comments the least bit objectionable?

no, I don't take offense to generalizations or stereotypes, I usually just find them funny. clearly the man didn't know his audience. I actually do like the idea of labs separated by gender, as it would be an interesting social experiment.

His actual audience at the talk received it just fine. It is instead the online Twitterati who blew their tops. They weren't the audience he was talking to.

[Des-Bal]

His actual audience at the talk received it just fine. It is instead the online Twitterati who blew their tops. They weren't the audience he was talking to.

I'm feeling Shirley Sherrod parallels (except I don't think feminist groups are humble enough to apologize in the end). Someone makes a speech in favor of treating people equally and it's trimmed in such a way that it seems hateful. The problem isn't that people in positions to act don't understand it's that people have chosen to be upset. They don't care about Tim Hunt but they've heard scientists hate women so Tim Hunt is now the symbol of science's hatred for women and defending him is defending misogyny.

[United American South]

I am glad that left-wing feminism is in decline. Left-wing feminism shames men and promotes abortion. Tumblr feminism is also annoying. The left has not been doing a good job of promoting feminism if it is in decline.

[Rostogovia]

There is no such thing as a "man hating feminist." (Or if they do exist they're a minute group.) As a man (an a feminist as well.), I can say that there is no misandry whatsoever in our society.

[Des-Bal]

There is no such thing as a "man hating feminist." (Or if they do exist they're a minute group.) As a man (an a feminist as well.), I can say that there is no misandry whatsoever in our society.

I think Misandry and Misogyny are simple ways at looking at complicated things. Feminism ignores and diminishes men's problems and is in part responsible for society not taking them seriously. Call that what you want.

[The New World Oceania]

This delusional thread based on a false reading of two studies methodology in absentia is still ongoing. And, unless this is the MRA mirrormaze masturbation thread, I'm going to assume that means people have been debating here. And on those grounds, I'm going to conclude that it's not declining if there are still people willing daily to work up the excruciating amount of energy needed to come back here and debate that women do in fact deserve rights.

If feminism was just about women having rights there would be no issue. I've seen exceedingly few people suggest that women should not have rights. Objections to feminism take the form of questioning theories, proposals, and policies. If you'd look through the thread I'm sure you'd find a few fine examples of why a lot of people don't want their fingerprints on feminism.

Yeah, it's about taking over all the government institutions. You caught us.

[Rostogovia]

There is no such thing as a "man hating feminist." (Or if they do exist they're a minute group.) As a man (and a feminist as well.), I can say that there is no misandry whatsoever in our society.

I think Misandry and Misogyny are simple ways at looking at complicated things. Feminism ignores and diminishes men's problems and is in part responsible for society not taking them seriously. Call that what you want.

Of course men face problems, but unlike women, they face no significant discrimination in society. Nobody's denying that men do face some challenges, but I think we can all agree that being a woman is MUCH harder.

[Chessmistress]

There is no such thing as a "man hating feminist." (Or if they do exist they're a minute group.) As a man (an a feminist as well.), I can say that there is no misandry whatsoever in our society.

I think Misandry and Misogyny are simple ways at looking at complicated things. Feminism ignores and diminishes men's problems and is in part responsible for society not taking them seriously. Call that what you want.

Feminism ignores but NOT diminishes males' problems.
Would you prefer that women would keep care of males' problems? Really? And why we should waste our energy?
Males have dominated the world for so long, and are still dominating it.
Why the oppressed gender should keep care of the problems of the dominant gender? That's ludicrous!

[Des-Bal]

Yeah, it's about taking over all the government institutions. You caught us.

You're fighting strawmen, it's a common reactionary tactic that you see a lot in feminists. Feminism isn't prepared for substantive critique, it expects to be accepted without question or rejected out of hand. The problem with feminism is that it's about advancing women, not to the point of equality, not bringing them closer to men in terms of privileges- just advancing women full stop. That's a problem because it dismisses the problems that men face.

[Chessmistress]

I think Misandry and Misogyny are simple ways at looking at complicated things. Feminism ignores and diminishes men's problems and is in part responsible for society not taking them seriously. Call that what you want.

Of course men face problems, but unlike women, they face no significant discrimination in society. Nobody's denying that men do face some challenges, but I think we can all agree that being a woman is MUCH harder.

Thank you for saying it.
You're a good ally.

[Haktiva]

no, I don't take offense to generalizations or stereotypes, I usually just find them funny. clearly the man didn't know his audience. I actually do like the idea of labs separated by gender, as it would be an interesting social experiment.

His actual audience at the talk received it just fine. It is instead the online Twitterati who blew their tops. They weren't the audience he was talking to.

go figure.

[Des-Bal]

Of course men face problems, but unlike women, they face no significant discrimination in society. Nobody's denying that men do face some challenges, but I think we can all agree that being a woman is MUCH harder.

That's not true. Boys and men preform worse in schools due to discrimination, have exceedingly few societal or legal protections against rape and domestic violence, are treated much more severely by the justice system, are more likely to be the victims of almost any crime, and are sent to die en masse. I don't think of having problems as a competition and I don't trouble myself with who has it worse but as I recall the woman who lived as a man for a year was firmly of the opinion that it was easier being a woman.

[Haktiva]

Of course men face problems, but unlike women, they face no significant discrimination in society. Nobody's denying that men do face some challenges, but I think we can all agree that being a woman is MUCH harder.

That's not true. Boys and men preform worse in schools due to discrimination, have exceedingly few societal or legal protections against rape and domestic violence, are treated much more severely by the justice system, are more likely to be the victims of almost any crime, and are sent to die en masse. I don't think of having problems as a competition and I don't trouble myself with who has it worse but as I recall the woman who lived as a man for a year was firmly of the opinion that it was easier being a woman.

equality is a zero-sum game to these people