This is EXACTLY why O'Reilly should not be taken seriously

[Cannabis Islands]

And I can say for sure if Iraq was still under Baathist control, there would no ISIS. Not saying that Saddam was not an asshole, he was but it was better than what we have now.

Bush would agree to that that's heinsight bias no one for saw isis which formation is not squarely bush's fault anyway but we have a different thread for that

But O'Reilly and yourself it seems it advocate for further military intervention. The locals don't really want us there, and we should take a hint. That said, we should also cut off their aid and say "since you don't want anything do with infidels, then you don't get our infidel money. Good day!"

[Osterreich-Bayern]

I clearly said in order to keep comparison to the metaphor if you really want me to type out "major events that show the issue in media spotlight and personal and private damage to lives and prosperity i can"

Okay then.

It isn't all of a sudden. Minorities are finally gaining a voice and standing up for themselves. Ever heard of the Watts Riots? Rodney King? Same shit. The times are a-changing, we're fighting back against an existent system.

Im in the east coast usa so I'm passing out right now but good debate but you can't deny that the events are becoming more frequent im going to bed

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Yeah. America created its terrorists.

Umm, wait what? Tell that to the victims of 911. Perhaps you can explain how they as americans "little eichmans" to quote prof churchill are responsible for making people murder them.

Direct me to one and I will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_fo ... 11_attacks

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Okay then.

It isn't all of a sudden. Minorities are finally gaining a voice and standing up for themselves. Ever heard of the Watts Riots? Rodney King? Same shit. The times are a-changing, we're fighting back against an existent system.

Im in the east coast usa so I'm passing out right now but good debate but you can't deny that the events are becoming more frequent im going to bed

Of course I'm not. It's because we're changing the system. How does this do anything but support my viewpoint?

[Osterreich-Bayern]

Bush would agree to that that's heinsight bias no one for saw isis which formation is not squarely bush's fault anyway but we have a different thread for that

But O'Reilly and yourself it seems it advocate for further military intervention. The locals don't really want us there, and we should take a hint. That said, we should also cut off their aid and say "since you don't want anything do with infidels, then you don't get our infidel money. Good day!"

In the end of the day a Sunni theocracy aligned with Saudi or a Shia theocracy aligned with Iran but a little more liberal isn't the end of the world as long as they fight terror I think a secular nation is to hard in the middle east without a dictator who finds someone to kill but in the end a free Kurdistan would be the optimal solution and for them to fight terrorism in Iraq and Assad in Syria suddenly looks nice and blah blah im tired see the isis thread

[Cannabis Islands]

Yeah. America created its terrorists.

Umm, wait what? Tell that to the victims of 911. Perhaps you can explain how they as americans "little eichmans" to quote prof churchill are responsible for making people murder them.

Well, I believe that this goes back to 1953, when we installed the Shah. We pissed off a lot of people for supporting government's, including Saddam. Perhaps we should mind our own fucking business and let the locals fix the shit going on in their own country.

[Llamalandia]

I clearly said in order to keep comparison to the metaphor if you really want me to type out "major events that show the issue in media spotlight and personal and private damage to lives and prosperity i can"

Okay then.

It isn't all of a sudden. Minorities are finally gaining a voice and standing up for themselves. Ever heard of the Watts Riots? Rodney King? Same shit. The times are a-changing, we're fighting back against an existent system.

Im going to punt on watts, but the King riots. Are you kiddng? A known criminal and druggy, is beaten (admittedly without real cause) by the cops and the city erupts and you think that was justified? I mean, in revenge a bunch of black people pull some random white guy out of a truck and beat him nearly to death. I mean, what did some random truck driver have to do with anything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

[Llamalandia]

Umm, wait what? Tell that to the victims of 911. Perhaps you can explain how they as americans "little eichmans" to quote prof churchill are responsible for making people murder them.

Well, I believe that this goes back to 1953, when we installed the Shah. We pissed off a lot of people for supporting government's, including Saddam. Perhaps we should mind our own fucking business and let the locals fix the shit going on in their own country.

Ok, well if they weren't happy they should have peacefully complained to the embassy. or taken the reigns of their own govt. or chosen a military target and not killed a bunch of innocent civilians many of whom were not even alive in 1953 much less in charge of foreign policy.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Okay then.

It isn't all of a sudden. Minorities are finally gaining a voice and standing up for themselves. Ever heard of the Watts Riots? Rodney King? Same shit. The times are a-changing, we're fighting back against an existent system.

Im going to punt on watts, but the King riots. Are you kiddng? A known criminal and druggy, is beaten (admittedly without real cause) by the cops and the city erupts and you think that was justified? I mean, in revenge a bunch of black people pull some random white guy out of a truck and beat him nearly to death. I mean, what did some random truck driver have to do with anything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

Good cherry picking.

A riot is the language of the unheard. I don't give a fuck what he was. He got beaten without cause and it happens to blacks more.

[Llamalandia]

Umm, wait what? Tell that to the victims of 911. Perhaps you can explain how they as americans "little eichmans" to quote prof churchill are responsible for making people murder them.

Direct me to one and I will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_fo ... 11_attacks

Dude, that is not cool. Even if I could I would not, that is incredibly offensive and disrespectful.

[Cannabis Islands]

But O'Reilly and yourself it seems it advocate for further military intervention. The locals don't really want us there, and we should take a hint. That said, we should also cut off their aid and say "since you don't want anything do with infidels, then you don't get our infidel money. Good day!"

In the end of the day a Sunni theocracy aligned with Saudi or a Shia theocracy aligned with Iran but a little more liberal isn't the end of the world as long as they fight terror I think a secular nation is to hard in the middle east without a dictator who finds someone to kill but in the end a free Kurdistan would be the optimal solution and for them to fight terrorism in Iraq and Assad in Syria suddenly looks nice and blah blah im tired see the isis thread

Love, I can tell you that Mohammad Mosaddegh was a champion of secular democracy. We invaded Iran because we wanted their oil that they were about to nationalize because "America fucking rules".

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Direct me to one and I will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_fo ... 11_attacks

Dude, that is not cool. Even if I could I would not, that is incredibly offensive and disrespectful.

Ooooh, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me for my transgressions, Father Bush, I promise to never impose upon your almighty wisdom again.

[Llamalandia]

Im going to punt on watts, but the King riots. Are you kiddng? A known criminal and druggy, is beaten (admittedly without real cause) by the cops and the city erupts and you think that was justified? I mean, in revenge a bunch of black people pull some random white guy out of a truck and beat him nearly to death. I mean, what did some random truck driver have to do with anything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

Good cherry picking.

A riot is the language of the unheard. I don't give a fuck what he was. He got beaten without cause and it happens to blacks more.

Sounds good so two wrongs make a right then? Or there is some tally here, some ledger? Maybe all white people need to be slaves for 200 years because black people were is that it?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Good cherry picking.

A riot is the language of the unheard. I don't give a fuck what he was. He got beaten without cause and it happens to blacks more.

Sounds good so two wrongs make a right then? Or there is some tally here, some ledger? Maybe all white people need to be slaves for 200 years because black people were is that it?

Non sequiturs are fun.

[Cannabis Islands]

Well, I believe that this goes back to 1953, when we installed the Shah. We pissed off a lot of people for supporting government's, including Saddam. Perhaps we should mind our own fucking business and let the locals fix the shit going on in their own country.

Ok, well if they weren't happy they should have peacefully complained to the embassy. or taken the reigns of their own govt. or chosen a military target and not killed a bunch of innocent civilians many of whom were not even alive in 1953 much less in charge of foreign policy.

I know, America is like the Catholic Church, it's infallible. Sometimes we need to learn from our mistakes. Under Mohammad Mosaddegh, had a secular and democratic government. Under US, they had a secular and a authoritative government.

[Llamalandia]

Dude, that is not cool. Even if I could I would not, that is incredibly offensive and disrespectful.

Ooooh, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me for my transgressions, Father Bush, I promise to never impose upon your almighty wisdom again.

Meh, Bush was pretty much a fail president. But seriously radical Islamic terrorism is never justified except when employed against communists and even then it is kinda questionable.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Ooooh, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me for my transgressions, Father Bush, I promise to never impose upon your almighty wisdom again.

Meh, Bush was pretty much a fail president. But seriously radical Islamic terrorism is never justified except when employed against communists and even then it is kinda questionable.

Your insanely fallacious logic is impressive, I'll give you that.

[Llamalandia]

Sounds good so two wrongs make a right then? Or there is some tally here, some ledger? Maybe all white people need to be slaves for 200 years because black people were is that it?

Non sequiturs are fun.

IT is not a non-sequitur it is a logical extension of your position. You seemed to think it was ok for a white man to be beat because it happen to black guys. I'm just taking that line of thinking to its logical extreme.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Non sequiturs are fun.

1. IT is not a non-sequitur it is a logical extension of your position. 2. You seemed to think it was ok for a white man to be beat because it happen to black guys. 3. I'm just taking that line of thinking to its logical extreme.

1. No it isn't. It's a non sequitur.

2. No I don't. You're either deluding yourself or deliberately lying.

3. Going for a slippery slope or something?

[Cannabis Islands]

Non sequiturs are fun.

IT is not a non-sequitur it is a logical extension of your position. You seemed to think it was ok for a white man to be beat because it happen to black guys. I'm just taking that line of thinking to its logical extreme.

[Llamalandia]

1. IT is not a non-sequitur it is a logical extension of your position. 2. You seemed to think it was ok for a white man to be beat because it happen to black guys. 3. I'm just taking that line of thinking to its logical extreme.

1. No it isn't. It's a non sequitur.

2. No I don't. You're either deluding yourself or deliberately lying.

3. Going for a slippery slope or something?

A non sequitur is literally that which follows not. Like I said, I was merely taking your position to one possible logical extrema. But whatever. Any to answer 2 you said and I quote "I don't give a fuck what he was. He got beaten without cause and it happens to blacks more." sounds a lot like you are ok with that. IF not then, fair enough but try to be more clear.

[McFjord]

Faux News should never be taken seriously.

[McFjord]

Im going to punt on watts, but the King riots. Are you kiddng? A known criminal and druggy, is beaten (admittedly without real cause) by the cops and the city erupts and you think that was justified? I mean, in revenge a bunch of black people pull some random white guy out of a truck and beat him nearly to death. I mean, what did some random truck driver have to do with anything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

Good cherry picking.

A riot is the language of the unheard. I don't give a fuck what he was. He got beaten without cause and it happens to blacks more.

Could it possibly be because blacks are engaging in more criminal activity?

[Neutraligon]

Good cherry picking.

A riot is the language of the unheard. I don't give a fuck what he was. He got beaten without cause and it happens to blacks more.

Could it possibly be because blacks are engaging in more criminal activity?

the poor are engaging in more crime, and Blacks tend to be poor at a higher rate. That being said, blacks also face I higher imprisonment rate and longer imprisonment rates then their white counterparts for the same crime. More then that they are charged more often when an actual crime has occurred when the crime is committed at the same rate.

[Llamalandia]

Could it possibly be because blacks are engaging in more criminal activity?

the poor are engaging in more crime, and Blacks tend to be poor at a higher rate. That being said, blacks also face I higher imprisonment rate and longer imprisonment rates then their white counterparts for the same crime. More then that they are charged more often when an actual crime has occurred when the crime is committed at the same rate.

True, plus less resources to fight it and or connections to get bailed out of trouble. Still, doesn't excuse any lawbreaking. But yeah, the issue is more class than race now.