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This is EXACTLY why O'Reilly should not be taken seriously

Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 9:23 pm

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*Note: You really don't have to listen to Kyle's (the Secular Talk host) opinions, just watch the O'Reilly clips

To sum up, Bill O'Reilly and Kirsten Powers argued on Fox about the situation in Syria and Iraq, about ISIS. Powers called O'Reilly out for, in 2013 and 2014, calling to invade Syria and overthrow Assad, in favor of the rebel forces, but now wanting to intervene against those very same rebels. He then denies that he ever analyzed Assad's actions or attacked him on his show. This is an outright lie that most Fox viewers probably didn't catch because the vast majority of the political dialogue has been focused on ISIS's horrendous actions, which hides the fact that the very same people who want to intervene against the Islamic State were arguing to support ISIS, al-Nusra and other various jihadist militants in Syria a year ago. The video above shows clips of O'Reilly and Powers in typical Fox screaming match, and clips of O'Reilly bashing Assad, directly contradicting what he said.

My Opinion

The fact that O'Reilly is even employed shows that American media is a joke. This is ridiculous. Even if you thought all of the other allegations against him were just personal attacks, this here should show the world why O'Reilly is an outright liar, a hypocrite and, above all, completely lacking any principled stands for anything. Not that I had any respect for Fox in the first place, but I think it is safe to say that nothing Bill O'Reilly says should be taken seriously in any political dialogue. Things like this make Hannity's flip-flops on the NSA look minor.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 9:25 pm

We really need more reasons to dismiss this guy as a crock?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 28, 2015 9:27 pm

ISIS and Al-Nusra /=/ the entirety of the Syrian opposition.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Thu May 28, 2015 9:29 pm

Well it looks like Mr.O'Reilly makes a fool of himself, news at twenty three hundred.
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Postby Tecomaia » Thu May 28, 2015 9:29 pm

FOX news reporters lack the proper social skills to have a blurt-free argument.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 9:29 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote:Well it looks like Mr.O'Reilly makes a fool of himself, news at twenty three hundred.

Coming up on Fox News: Bears are Communist Catholics and Popes shit in privately-owned woods because Obama told them to.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 9:32 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote:Well it looks like Mr.O'Reilly makes a fool of himself, news at twenty three hundred.


It's not news, so much as this is the most blatant lie I've seen on Fox, probably ever.

Conserative Morality wrote:ISIS and Al-Nusra /=/ the entirety of the Syrian opposition.


Agreed, but this detail is about the Syrian conflict, where the real focus here is that O'Reilly claims that he never criticized Assad, when he fearmongered about him for days.
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Postby Talvezout » Thu May 28, 2015 9:34 pm

I thought nobody took him seriously.

But people do. Huh.

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Postby Cedoria » Thu May 28, 2015 9:37 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:Source
*Note: You really don't have to listen to Kyle's (the Secular Talk host) opinions, just watch the O'Reilly clips

To sum up, Bill O'Reilly and Kirsten Powers argued on Fox about the situation in Syria and Iraq, about ISIS. Powers called O'Reilly out for, in 2013 and 2014, calling to invade Syria and overthrow Assad, in favor of the rebel forces, but now wanting to intervene against those very same rebels. He then denies that he ever analyzed Assad's actions or attacked him on his show. This is an outright lie that most Fox viewers probably didn't catch because the vast majority of the political dialogue has been focused on ISIS's horrendous actions, which hides the fact that the very same people who want to intervene against the Islamic State were arguing to support ISIS, al-Nusra and other various jihadist militants in Syria a year ago. The video above shows clips of O'Reilly and Powers in typical Fox screaming match, and clips of O'Reilly bashing Assad, directly contradicting what he said.

My Opinion

The fact that O'Reilly is even employed shows that American media is a joke. This is ridiculous. Even if you thought all of the other allegations against him were just personal attacks, this here should show the world why O'Reilly is an outright liar, a hypocrite and, above all, completely lacking any principled stands for anything. Not that I had any respect for Fox in the first place, but I think it is safe to say that nothing Bill O'Reilly says should be taken seriously in any political dialogue. Things like this make Hannity's flip-flops on the NSA look minor.

What is your opinion, NSG?


I think we should have an international day of no outrage, were any commentator can say whatever stupid thing that they like without other people getting offended and screaming at them.

O'Reilly's a twerp I agree, no credibility whatsoever, but I don't think people should get upset about it.
Why? Because, and here's the real reason.
He's O'Reilly,
And I don't expect cogent or rational political analysis from a man who makes Homer Simpson look like a genius.

Don't worry about O'Reilly's idiocy. Leave him to his own psychotic delusions, and get on with doing good things in life yourself, we know the truth is not as O'Reilly says it is.

Trying to engage with material such as O'Reilly present in an intelligent manner would only give him what he doesn't deserve. Journalistic credibility, because it would mean he would be questioned by people far more intelligent than him, which would make people think he had anything worth saying, which he doesn't.
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Postby Tecomaia » Thu May 28, 2015 9:37 pm

Putin's look at US Media with Bill O'Reilly:

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 9:40 pm

Cedoria wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:Source
*Note: You really don't have to listen to Kyle's (the Secular Talk host) opinions, just watch the O'Reilly clips

To sum up, Bill O'Reilly and Kirsten Powers argued on Fox about the situation in Syria and Iraq, about ISIS. Powers called O'Reilly out for, in 2013 and 2014, calling to invade Syria and overthrow Assad, in favor of the rebel forces, but now wanting to intervene against those very same rebels. He then denies that he ever analyzed Assad's actions or attacked him on his show. This is an outright lie that most Fox viewers probably didn't catch because the vast majority of the political dialogue has been focused on ISIS's horrendous actions, which hides the fact that the very same people who want to intervene against the Islamic State were arguing to support ISIS, al-Nusra and other various jihadist militants in Syria a year ago. The video above shows clips of O'Reilly and Powers in typical Fox screaming match, and clips of O'Reilly bashing Assad, directly contradicting what he said.

My Opinion

The fact that O'Reilly is even employed shows that American media is a joke. This is ridiculous. Even if you thought all of the other allegations against him were just personal attacks, this here should show the world why O'Reilly is an outright liar, a hypocrite and, above all, completely lacking any principled stands for anything. Not that I had any respect for Fox in the first place, but I think it is safe to say that nothing Bill O'Reilly says should be taken seriously in any political dialogue. Things like this make Hannity's flip-flops on the NSA look minor.

What is your opinion, NSG?


I think we should have an international day of no outrage, were any commentator can say whatever stupid thing that they like without other people getting offended and screaming at them.

O'Reilly's a twerp I agree, no credibility whatsoever, but I don't think people should get upset about it.
Why? Because, and here's the real reason.
He's O'Reilly,
And I don't expect cogent or rational political analysis from a man who makes Homer Simpson look like a genius.

Don't worry about O'Reilly's idiocy. Leave him to his own psychotic delusions, and get on with doing good things in life yourself, we know the truth is not as O'Reilly says it is.

Trying to engage with material such as O'Reilly present in an intelligent manner would only give him what he doesn't deserve. Journalistic credibility, because it would mean he would be questioned by people far more intelligent than him, which would make people think he had anything worth saying, which he doesn't.

Thing is, people believe his bullshit. He influences millions, they take his word as second only to God's. No joke. We can't just let him spew his hatred and bigotry and willful ignorance everywhere, we need to educate people about why he's an idiot and drive his ratings down. Apathy allows evil to spread.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu May 28, 2015 10:07 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:ISIS and Al-Nusra /=/ the entirety of the Syrian opposition.

^This, pretty much. When the Syrian Civil War was more 'Assad versus a bevy of other rebel organizations' and less 'Assad versus ISIS', a lot of people hopped on board the bandwagon condemning Assad and his governments responses. Oftentimes very short-sightedly. and across the political spectrum. While easily condemnable (alongside a host of other media personalities, on FOX and other news networks beside for similar reasons), I'd be more concerned over the similar (cross-party) statements made by members of government who held (and hold) the power to do it (particularly those still in government whence advocating action against ISIS) and who also dismiss their past calls to arms under a veil of silence.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Thu May 28, 2015 10:14 pm

Calling out Bill O'Reilly on his bullshit is getting pretty redundant at this point. Didn't we just have a thread about his journalistic credibility a day or two ago?
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 28, 2015 10:16 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:Calling out Bill O'Reilly on his bullshit is getting pretty redundant at this point. Didn't we have a thread about his credibility as journalist a day or two ago?

Yep. Yesterday. It would probably be faster to list the number of times he hasn't lied than to keep track of his bullshit.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Thu May 28, 2015 10:25 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:Calling out Bill O'Reilly on his bullshit is getting pretty redundant at this point. Didn't we just have a thread about his journalistic credibility a day or two ago?

What journalistic credibility? He has journalistic credibility now? Well Mr. O'Reilly having even the tiniest bit of journalistic credibility is new to me.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Thu May 28, 2015 10:29 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:Calling out Bill O'Reilly on his bullshit is getting pretty redundant at this point. Didn't we just have a thread about his journalistic credibility a day or two ago?

What journalistic credibility? He has journalistic credibility now? Well Mr. O'Reilly having even the tiniest bit of journalistic credibility is new to me.


I would've included the qualifier "or lack thereof", but was too lazy.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 10:29 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:ISIS and Al-Nusra /=/ the entirety of the Syrian opposition.

^This, pretty much. When the Syrian Civil War was more 'Assad versus a bevy of other rebel organizations' and less 'Assad versus ISIS', a lot of people hopped on board the bandwagon condemning Assad and his governments responses. Oftentimes very short-sightedly. and across the political spectrum. While easily condemnable (alongside a host of other media personalities, on FOX and other news networks beside for similar reasons), I'd be more concerned over the similar (cross-party) statements made by members of government who held (and hold) the power to do it (particularly those still in government whence advocating action against ISIS) and who also dismiss their past calls to arms under a veil of silence.


While we somewhat agree-disagree...

Not really the topic at hand. The topic at hand is that O'Reilly claimed he did not call for intervention against Assad when he did, because the implication of admitting he did is he has to admit that he has completely flipped his position on the Syrian Civil War.
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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Thu May 28, 2015 10:34 pm

Cedoria wrote:
I think we should have an international day of no outrage, were any commentator can say whatever stupid thing that they like without other people getting offended and screaming at them.

That is not possible. People whine and bitch about the simplest of things, and you expect people to stay calm when commentators start throwing mud at others? People (for the most part) are incapable of taking any kind of crap thrown at them without bitching on their Twitter page "omg gyz, dis ebul wyt man said very mild things 'bout me, so he racist towards evry1 in my ethnicity evn tho it's target at me and no1 else."

O'Reilly's a twerp I agree, no credibility whatsoever, but I don't think people should get upset about it.
Why? Because, and here's the real reason.
He's O'Reilly,
And I don't expect cogent or rational political analysis from a man who makes Homer Simpson look like a genius.

Why should people be upset over what a politician (or commentator in O'Reilly's case) says? Everyone knows a politician's word is always coated in bullshit.

Don't worry about O'Reilly's idiocy. Leave him to his own psychotic delusions, and get on with doing good things in life yourself, we know the truth is not as O'Reilly says it is.

Just wait, someone will come along and out-O'Reilly O'Reilly himself. Wait....

Trying to engage with material such as O'Reilly present in an intelligent manner would only give him what he doesn't deserve. Journalistic credibility, because it would mean he would be questioned by people far more intelligent than him, which would make people think he had anything worth saying, which he doesn't.

You do realize that there are people out there worse than him, right? Example, there was Piers Morgan, who constantly out-O'Reilly O'Reilly in such regularity, CNN pretty much said "you know what, guys? Piers has out-O'Reilly O'Reilly a little too well, time to get rid of him." And then there is Glen Beck.... I don't think I need to say much more.
So, as bad as O'Reilly was, there are nuttier people out there. I'm not trying to defend the man, I'm just pointing out that there are worse alternatives to him.
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And, like the average, working class, half-and-half American, I don't. Freaking. Care. I'm more concerned about making rent than I am about the media, which I already know is full of shit, regardless of the network.
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The BaRen wrote:And, like the average, working class, half-and-half American, I don't. Freaking. Care. I'm more concerned about making rent than I am about the media, which I already know is full of shit, regardless of the network.


Making rent might be easier if voters misinformed by the media didn't keep electing politicians who keep crashing the economy.
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