Analyzing a "Feminist thought" quiz

[The Free Democratic Republic of Freedom]

First reasonable feminist all year

I mostly roll with 'egalitarian' but I'm warming up to the idea of using 'feminist' too, whereas I previously would've been concerned about associating myself with the radical feminists who, from my own personal experience, would go so far as to assert that 'the patriarchy' is Illuminati/NWO-esque organisation with the sole goal of suppressing women, non-whites, and non-heterosexuals.

---

Why would you oppose bodily autonomy?

Because being coercied is not bodily autonomy.

Who said that the people participating in pornography or prostitution are necessarily being coerced?

[Camicon]

None of those groups demand my uncompromising, unquestioning support, like the more hard-line feminist movements do. I can be a libertarian, disagree on certain key policy issues with other libertarians, and not be excluded from the conversation. Meanwhile, there are plenty of feminist that would immediately and wholly discount everything I say, simply because I have a dick. I'm not going to associate myself with a political movement that, at least in part, is hostile towards my involvement at any level.

That's just the most radical ones. There are also some in the LGBT+ rights movement, but you wouldn't deny them your support just because some of them make some awful generalizing statements about "cishets" or straight people who are comfortable with their birth gender?

I have yet to meet any LGBT individuals that would refuse my support on the basis of my being male. And while I'm certain those individuals do exist, they are most definitely not driving the LGBT movement, or controlling the narrative it creates.

[Nierra]

What's with all those claims suggesting romances are now something bad? It's not like women can't be the strong, leading figure there...

Liberal feminist 42
Women of Color 33
Cultural feminist 29
Radical feminist 27
Socialist feminist 24
Conservative 20

I think the quiz is incredibly biased against traditional conservatives as it only gives then 3 reasonable choices that reinforce what actual conservatives think. The rest are strawman assumptions.

I scored mid 40s in liberal feminist and 18 in conservatism and I'm anti feminism so....

Clearly you're actually a feminist and only against more radical forms of feminism.

No, I believe men and women are already equal and the modern feminism movement is based upon a culture clash with the tea party movement. Also in many areas women have more rights then men. I also believe in many dating traditions that I won't break, like paying for the dates and being the one that drives and asks her out and such. It doesn't mean I'm against choice, it means tradition is my choice and I won't judge others but that's how I will operate.

[Fanosolia]

Who ever said "romantic love = slavery!"???

I can sort a see why some would think that. Concepts of what defines romantic love is reinforced by what that ideal is by a surrounding culture. I mean in a romantic relationship it's almost expected for the two to do things like kiss, hug, another things associated with romantic feelings. "Slavery" is sort of an extreme way of viewing it but I can see how some might see it that way.

I still disagree because sort of see it as a sensual version of just being caring for another.

[Nierra]

First reasonable feminist all year

I mostly roll with 'egalitarian' but I'm warming up to the idea of using 'feminist' too, whereas I previously would've been concerned about associating myself with the radical feminists who, from my own personal experience, would go so far as to assert that 'the patriarchy' is Illuminati/NWO-esque organisation with the sole goal of suppressing women, non-whites, and non-heterosexuals.

---

Because being coercied is not bodily autonomy.

Who said that the people participating in pornography or prostitution are necessarily being coerced?

Only give in to the feminist label if you think women in modern society are structurally worse off than men, which I disagree with.

[Replevion]

Oh, 'feminist' in quotes for 'liberal feminist', huh?
Cute. I bet you're the only true Scotsman too.

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

I'm definitely in the Wendy McElroy camp. Anything that denies women choices and agency is anti-woman. No group should have power over deciding how an individual woman chooses to find her own fulfillment.

I do think effort should be made to help women who are in prostitution because it was either that or homelessness, which is to say 'survival sex work', especially since that's often driven by racial or LGBT discrimination. Trans women are unemployed at a rate four to eight times higher than the general population, depend on whether they're white or not respectively, and so they are forced to sex work or starve. This also contributes to them being one of the most vulnerable populations for HIV infection.

But by the same token I know women who could have office jobs but prefer prostitution, or do them both. Their choices are not invalid, their lives are not yours to run.

Criminalizing it never works, it just makes all those women involved, both the voluntary and subsistence-motivated, even more vulnerable to victimization since now they're afraid to turn to law enforcement when they're raped, abused, stolen from, blackmailed, or otherwise criminally aggrieved. Criminalization hurts women more than the trade itself, and so I fight it wherever I can, and try to help those who need help.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Why would you oppose bodily autonomy?

Because being coercied is not bodily autonomy.

Pornography and prostitution are not always coerced.

[Jute]

Who ever said "romantic love = slavery!"???

I can sort a see why some would think that. Concepts of what defines romantic love is reinforced by what that ideal is by a surrounding culture. I mean in a romantic relationship it's almost expected for the two to do things like kiss, hug, another things associated with romantic feelings. "Slavery" is sort of an extreme way of viewing it but I can see how some might see it that way.

I still disagree because sort of see it as a sensual version of just being caring for another.

Wouldn't it be mutual, though? No one says it's just the woman who has to do that.

[Jute]

That's just the most radical ones. There are also some in the LGBT+ rights movement, but you wouldn't deny them your support just because some of them make some awful generalizing statements about "cishets" or straight people who are comfortable with their birth gender?

I have yet to meet any LGBT individuals that would refuse my support on the basis of my being male. And while I'm certain those individuals do exist, they are most definitely not driving the LGBT movement, or controlling the narrative it creates.

Same with Feminism, except on the internet in some places, I guess.

[Venekaferia]

Why can't people just keep to the Wiki definition of Marxist / Socialist Feminism eh?

I don't think there's such thing as Marxist / Socialist Feminism: marxism and socialism are about economy, feminism is about gender equality.
It's like "Ecologist Feminism" and "Anti-specist Feminism": I reject these definitions (even if I really think that, just only due our gender role - that I hope will soon disappear - most women really have a better ecological attitude than most males, on average and on the whole).

Well, Marxist theory can also be applied to patriarchy; from a Marxist perspective, patriarchy has many appearances in class struggle. Same goes with anarcha-feminism with patriarchal norms being legitimized by the state.

[Fanosolia]

Because being coercied is not bodily autonomy.

Who said that the people participating in pornography or prostitution are necessarily being coerced?

Well, there is the possibility of financial cohesion if we're strictly talking about voluntary application where they are regulated legal jobs. That should defiantly should be dealt with where possible.

[Jute]

What's with all those claims suggesting romances are now something bad? It's not like women can't be the strong, leading figure there...

Liberal feminist 42
Women of Color 33
Cultural feminist 29
Radical feminist 27
Socialist feminist 24
Conservative 20

Clearly you're actually a feminist and only against more radical forms of feminism.

No, I believe men and women are already equal and the modern feminism movement is based upon a culture clash with the tea party movement. Also in many areas women have more rights then men. I also believe in many dating traditions that I won't break, like paying for the dates and being the one that drives and asks her out and such. It doesn't mean I'm against choice, it means tradition is my choice and I won't judge others but that's how I will operate.

None of which make you any less of a "traditional" liberal feminism as far as I see it. Nothing wrong with wanting to pay for dates and driving, only the most radical would see that as anti-feminist or anything.

[The Free Democratic Republic of Freedom]

[
And I forgot to mention the number of questions that I didn't feel comfortable answering, because they were essentially asking about the experience of groups that I don't belong to. Do women of colour face more challenges in the work place than white women? How the fuck do I know? I'm not going to answer either way until I have a helluva lot more information.

The question "In education and legislation to stop rape, ethnicity and race must be treated sensitively to ensure that women of color are protected equally." I found particularly difficult to answer, partly due to the reason that you mention.
First off, I have no idea as to whether or not they are already protected equally, and I would assume that they are, whereas the question seems to suggest that they aren't.
Secondly, does anti-rape legislation not apply across the board? Special considerations for people of different races or sexuality seem as though they would be redundant.
And finally, what does it even mean 'treated sensitively'?

[Camicon]

I have yet to meet any LGBT individuals that would refuse my support on the basis of my being male. And while I'm certain those individuals do exist, they are most definitely not driving the LGBT movement, or controlling the narrative it creates.

Same with Feminism, except on the internet in some places, I guess.

Except that I have met a number of feminists who would have, had I wanted to become involved in their conversation. There exists a great deal of academic literature espousing that view, with regards to feminism. I have yet to come across any, with regards to the LGBT community.

[Nierra]

No, I believe men and women are already equal and the modern feminism movement is based upon a culture clash with the tea party movement. Also in many areas women have more rights then men. I also believe in many dating traditions that I won't break, like paying for the dates and being the one that drives and asks her out and such. It doesn't mean I'm against choice, it means tradition is my choice and I won't judge others but that's how I will operate.

None of which make you any less of a "traditional" liberal feminism as far as I see it. Nothing wrong with wanting to pay for dates and driving, only the most radical would see th at as anti-feminist or anything.

Meh maybe. If that's the case then I guess someone can be a feminist without subscribing to the movement.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

None of which make you any less of a "traditional" liberal feminism as far as I see it. Nothing wrong with wanting to pay for dates and driving, only the most radical would see th at as anti-feminist or anything.

Meh maybe. If that's the case then I guess someone can be a feminist without subscribing to the movement.

If you're a feminist you follow feminism. This shouldn't be so contentious.

[Jute]

None of which make you any less of a "traditional" liberal feminism as far as I see it. Nothing wrong with wanting to pay for dates and driving, only the most radical would see th at as anti-feminist or anything.

Meh maybe. If that's the case then I guess someone can be a feminist without subscribing to the movement.

That's what I thought, if by "movement" you mean more radical feminism. Of course there are still some problems liberal feminists fight for today as well, but the situation is much better than it was a hundred years ago.

[Fanosolia]

I can sort a see why some would think that. Concepts of what defines romantic love is reinforced by what that ideal is by a surrounding culture. I mean in a romantic relationship it's almost expected for the two to do things like kiss, hug, another things associated with romantic feelings. "Slavery" is sort of an extreme way of viewing it but I can see how some might see it that way.

I still disagree because sort of see it as a sensual version of just being caring for another.

Wouldn't it be mutual, though? No one says it's just the woman who has to do that.

Well, there's one reason I disagree with it. I think it comes from the same place, if I'm reading the questions right, that one must be critical of the world we're born into similar to gender roles or institutional structures. Then again I've never heard that myself, so I'm spit balling here.

[Chessmistress]

I mostly roll with 'egalitarian' but I'm warming up to the idea of using 'feminist' too, whereas I previously would've been concerned about associating myself with the radical feminists who, from my own personal experience, would go so far as to assert that 'the patriarchy' is Illuminati/NWO-esque organisation with the sole goal of suppressing women, non-whites, and non-heterosexuals.

Your definition of patrirahcy it's a little exaggerated and picturesque, but not so far from reality.

Who said that the people participating in pornography or prostitution are necessarily being coerced?

Dworkin, Jeffreys, Bindel, MacKinnon, Robin Morgan , Gloria Steinem, and many many many others - even non-radical feminists like Naomi Wolf

http://gaildines.com/2009/09/pornograph ... ebates-on/

Gail Dines is the greatest one nowadays, an article about her
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... ornography

https://againstpornography.org

[Nierra]

Meh maybe. If that's the case then I guess someone can be a feminist without subscribing to the movement.

If you're a feminist you follow feminism. This shouldn't be so contentious.

What if you think the movement in this day an age is based on nothing and has accomplished nothing?

[Jute]

Wouldn't it be mutual, though? No one says it's just the woman who has to do that.

Well, there's one reason I disagree with it. I think it comes from the same place, if I'm reading the questions right, that one must be critical of the world we're born into similar to gender roles or institutional structures. Then again I've never heard that myself, so I'm spit balling here.

I don't see how romance has necessarily got anything to do with gender roles. What do you think how homosexual romances function?

[Jute]

If you're a feminist you follow feminism. This shouldn't be so contentious.

What if you think the movement in this day an age is based on nothing and has accomplished nothing?

Then you're confusing it with the radical version of it? "Anti-feminist" kind of makes you sound like you think women should stay at home and not be elected as politicians, in my opinion.

[Meryuma]

I scored women of color followed by radical feminist, which is weird because I answered " no" to all the "sex-negative" questions (i.e. the second wave-style claims about sex work being inherently exploitative to women). I mostly identify as a third wave feminist or more specifically a sex-positive feminist/radical queer but they didn't have any of those things as options. The complete lack of trans questions was weird as well (though it was cool seeing the male/female/other gender selection).

Why would you oppose bodily autonomy?

Because being coercied is not bodily autonomy.

It's sexist and heteronormative to assume that sex work always means the objectification of women by men. There is pornography filmed by women and pornography that does not feature women at all.

[Ieperithem]

SJWs really are that crazy. Huh.

I suppose their complete and irrational hatred for the opposite gender(in the case of females) and their creepy, deranged worship of the opposite gender(in the case of males) will prevent them from reproducing, so that's nice.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If you're a feminist you follow feminism. This shouldn't be so contentious.

What if you think the movement in this day an age is based on nothing and has accomplished nothing?

That's not a belief system, that's ignorance.