Analyzing a "Feminist thought" quiz

[Replevion]

Perspective Score
Liberal feminist 47
Women of Color 34
Cultural feminist 30
Radical feminist 24
Socialist feminist 20
Conservative 14

Not surprised. I'm all about liberty... and being a black woman's partner for a dozen years has probably made me somewhat more sensitive to PoC issues than the average honky.

[Camicon]

My results...
Liberal feminist: 48
Women of Color: 32
Socialist feminist: 24
Cultural feminist: 22
Radical feminist: 14
Conservative: 12

I found the quiz to be somewhat ridiculous, quite frankly. It would jump around between questions of morality and ethics that have no clear answer (such as "Given the way that men are, women have a responsibility not to arouse them by their dress and actions") to ones that are very much able to be scientifically quantified and answered (such as "Capitalism forces most women to wear feminine clothes to keep a job").

The entire "agree/disagree" scale is flawed for a great many of the questions asked, for example: "The availability of adequate child care is central to a woman's right to work outside the home". Answering "agree" could mean that you believe in traditional gender roles, hence why women would need child care in order to participate in the work force, or it could mean that you recognize the socially enforced challenges men and women face in bucking said gender roles (stay at homes dads, etc.), and believe that providing adequate child care is one way of breaking down those barriers.

And then there are the questions that just make no sense, like: "Replacing the word God with Goddess will remind people that the deity is not male". What deity? Some deities are decidedly male, and some are decidedly female. Of course, calling a sexless/genderless deity a "goddess" will remind people that it isn't inherently male, but it's also inaccurate, because then you're saying that it is inherently female. So what the fuck is that question supposed to be measuring, and how the fuck are any given answers interpreted?

All-in-all, that's a shitty quiz.

[The Free Democratic Republic of Freedom]

My results...
Liberal feminist: 48
Women of Color: 32
Socialist feminist: 24
Cultural feminist: 22
Radical feminist: 14
Conservative: 12

I found the quiz to be somewhat ridiculous, quite frankly. It would jump around between questions of morality and ethics that have no clear answer (such as "Given the way that men are, women have a responsibility not to arouse them by their dress and actions") to ones that are very much able to be scientifically quantified and answered (such as "Capitalism forces most women to wear feminine clothes to keep a job").

The entire "agree/disagree" scale is flawed for a great many of the questions asked, for example: "The availability of adequate child care is central to a woman's right to work outside the home". Answering "agree" could mean that you believe in traditional gender roles, hence why women would need child care in order to participate in the work force, or it could mean that you recognize the socially enforced challenges men and women face in bucking said gender roles (stay at homes dads, etc.), and believe that providing adequate child care is one way of breaking down those barriers.

And then there are the questions that just make no sense, like: "Replacing the word God with Goddess will remind people that the deity is not male". What deity? Some deities are decidedly male, and some are decidedly female. Of course, calling a sexless/genderless deity a "goddess" will remind people that it isn't inherently male, but it's also inaccurate, because then you're saying that it is inherently female. So what the fuck is that question supposed to be measuring, and how the fuck are any given answers interpreted?

All-in-all, that's a shitty quiz.

I think that you've basically said every point that I would make, plus some new points that I also agree with.
Additionally, some of the questions present a very clear bias, with some questions being worded in such a way as to make you appear sexist for not answering one way or another.

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My score:
Liberal feminist 45
Women of Color 23
Socialist feminist 17
Conservative 15
Cultural feminist 11
Radical feminist 10

[New Werpland]

I appear to be a woman of color.

Women of Color 33
Liberal feminist 31
Conservative 18
Socialist feminist 17
Radical feminist 15
Cultural feminist 15

[Dumb Ideologies]

I totally agreed here. But such question is not just only about Radical Feminism but also about Liberal Feminism: indeed a liberal "feminist" would totally disagree.

Oh, 'feminist' in quotes for 'liberal feminist', huh?
Cute. I bet you're the only true Scotsman too.

If "kilt" is the equivalent of "rekt" then Chessmistress is the finest Scotsman there's ever been.

[Chessmistress]

I totally agreed here. But such question is not just only about Radical Feminism but also about Liberal Feminism: indeed a liberal "feminist" would totally disagree.

Oh, 'feminist' in quotes for 'liberal feminist', huh?
Cute. I bet you're the only true Scotsman too.

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

[Camicon]

My results...
Liberal feminist: 48
Women of Color: 32
Socialist feminist: 24
Cultural feminist: 22
Radical feminist: 14
Conservative: 12

I found the quiz to be somewhat ridiculous, quite frankly. It would jump around between questions of morality and ethics that have no clear answer (such as "Given the way that men are, women have a responsibility not to arouse them by their dress and actions") to ones that are very much able to be scientifically quantified and answered (such as "Capitalism forces most women to wear feminine clothes to keep a job").

The entire "agree/disagree" scale is flawed for a great many of the questions asked, for example: "The availability of adequate child care is central to a woman's right to work outside the home". Answering "agree" could mean that you believe in traditional gender roles, hence why women would need child care in order to participate in the work force, or it could mean that you recognize the socially enforced challenges men and women face in bucking said gender roles (stay at homes dads, etc.), and believe that providing adequate child care is one way of breaking down those barriers.

And then there are the questions that just make no sense, like: "Replacing the word God with Goddess will remind people that the deity is not male". What deity? Some deities are decidedly male, and some are decidedly female. Of course, calling a sexless/genderless deity a "goddess" will remind people that it isn't inherently male, but it's also inaccurate, because then you're saying that it is inherently female. So what the fuck is that question supposed to be measuring, and how the fuck are any given answers interpreted?

All-in-all, that's a shitty quiz.

I think that you've basically said every point that I would make, plus some new points that I also agree with; all in all, a lot of the questions present a very clear bias, with some questions being worded in such a way as to make you appear sexist for not answering one way or another.

And I forgot to mention the number of questions that I didn't feel comfortable answering, because they were essentially asking about the experience of groups that I don't belong to. Do women of colour face more challenges in the work place than white women? How the fuck do I know? I'm not going to answer either way until I have a helluva lot more information.

Oh, 'feminist' in quotes for 'liberal feminist', huh?
Cute. I bet you're the only true Scotsman too.

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

[Jute]

What's with all those claims suggesting romances are now something bad? It's not like women can't be the strong, leading figure there...

Liberal feminist 42
Women of Color 33
Cultural feminist 29
Radical feminist 27
Socialist feminist 24
Conservative 20

I think the quiz is incredibly biased against traditional conservatives as it only gives then 3 reasonable choices that reinforce what actual conservatives think. The rest are strawman assumptions.

I scored mid 40s in liberal feminist and 18 in conservatism and I'm anti feminism so....

Clearly you're actually a feminist and only against more radical forms of feminism.

[The Free Democratic Republic of Freedom]

Oh, 'feminist' in quotes for 'liberal feminist', huh?
Cute. I bet you're the only true Scotsman too.

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

[I am ASBL, I forgot to switch accounts before posting my first post there]

I do know, and I also know that you thinking that porn& prostitution are anti-women doesn't make them anti-women.

Personally, I think that preventing women from profiting from their own bodies in a way of their choosing is anti-women, but I'm not going to say that you're not a feminist because that's the ol' 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.
Even though I myself think that you're denying some women their own sexuality due to your own prudishness, I still acknowledge that you are a feminist, albeit a different type of feminist than I would agree with.

[Nierra]

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

[I am ASBL, I forgot to switch accounts before posting my first post there]

I do know, and I also know that you thinking that porn& prostitution are anti-women doesn't make them so.

Personally, I think that preventing women from profiting from their own bodies in a way of their choosing is anti-women, but I'm not going to say that you're not a feminist because that's the ol' 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.
Personally, even though I think that you're denying some women their own sexuality due to your own prudishness, I still acknowledge that you are a feminist, albeit a different type of feminist than I would agree with.

First reasonable feminist all year

[Jute]

I think that you've basically said every point that I would make, plus some new points that I also agree with; all in all, a lot of the questions present a very clear bias, with some questions being worded in such a way as to make you appear sexist for not answering one way or another.

And I forgot to mention the number of questions that I didn't feel comfortable answering, because they were essentially asking about the experience of groups that I don't belong to. Do women of colour face more challenges in the work place than white women? How the fuck do I know? I'm not going to answer either way until I have a helluva lot more information.

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

Feminists at least have already achieved the right for women to vote, be elected and have it socially be accepted that they take whatever job they please. Widespread acceptance of feminism is mostly because of the achievements of those "liberal" (aka actual, non-radical) feminists.

[Jute]

[I am ASBL, I forgot to switch accounts before posting my first post there]

I do know, and I also know that you thinking that porn& prostitution are anti-women doesn't make them so.

Personally, I think that preventing women from profiting from their own bodies in a way of their choosing is anti-women, but I'm not going to say that you're not a feminist because that's the ol' 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.
Personally, even though I think that you're denying some women their own sexuality due to your own prudishness, I still acknowledge that you are a feminist, albeit a different type of feminist than I would agree with.

First reasonable feminist all year

Part of the silent majority, maybe?

[Nierra]

And I forgot to mention the number of questions that I didn't feel comfortable answering, because they were essentially asking about the experience of groups that I don't belong to. Do women of colour face more challenges in the work place than white women? How the fuck do I know? I'm not going to answer either way until I have a helluva lot more information.

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

Feminists at least have already achieved the right for women to vote, be elected and have it socially be accepted that they take whatever job they please. Widespread acceptance of feminism is mostly because of the achievements of those "liberal" (aka actual, non-radical) feminists.

Lol what. Feminism is not widely accepted at all

[Fanosolia]

Liberal "feminists" are supporters of pornography and prostitution, do you know?
I think that pornography and prostitution are anti-women.

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

Couldn't we say the same of pro v. anti-nuclear environmentalists, and differing libertarian views on intellectual property, and interpretations of Non-aggression principle?

[Nazi Flower Power]

22. The availability of adequate child care is central to a woman’s right to work outside the home. (Sexist. Men can also have this problem; and not all women choose to have children.)

Nitpick: This is only sexist if you're attaching your own baggage to it. Agreeing to the statement does not mean that it can't also apply to men.

In an environment where feminism is purported to be anti-sexism... this scale sorts out the typology of feminists into one variety of feminism that is more anti-sexist than sexist, one that's more about racism than sexism, and three that are very clearly more sexist than anti-sexist.

Thoughts? Opinions? Scores? Musings?

Different varieties of feminism are different. Some varieties are more common than others, so saying that there is one that is anti-sexist and three that are sexist, based on the way that quiz is set up, does not really tell you how many feminists are egalitarian and how many are anti-male. I doubt that most feminists would buy into the more extreme stereotyping and the "OMG! Romantic love = slavery!" attitudes, cos I consider myself moderately feminist, and there were still questions on that quiz that made me cringe.

[Jute]

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

Couldn't we say the same of pro v. anti-nuclear environmentalists, and differing libertarian views on intellectual property, and interpretations of Non-aggression principle?

I guess? Being divided on some issues does not discredit an entire movement.

[Camicon]

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

Couldn't we say the same of pro v. anti-nuclear environmentalists, and differing libertarian views on intellectual property, and interpretations of Non-aggression principle?

None of those groups demand my uncompromising, unquestioning support, like the more hard-line feminist movements do. I can be a libertarian, disagree on certain key policy issues with other libertarians, and not be excluded from the conversation. Meanwhile, there are plenty of feminist that would immediately and wholly discount everything I say, simply because I have a dick. I'm not going to associate myself with a political movement that, at least in part, is hostile towards my involvement at any level.

[Jute]

Feminists at least have already achieved the right for women to vote, be elected and have it socially be accepted that they take whatever job they please. Widespread acceptance of feminism is mostly because of the achievements of those "liberal" (aka actual, non-radical) feminists.

Lol what. Feminism is not widely accepted at all

If you consider feminism as nothing more than "women should be treated like human beings, just like men", which about sums up most of it according to my knowledge, then I sure hope it is.

[Chessmistress]

Who ever said "romantic love = slavery!"???
When one opposes pornography and prostitution it's exactly the opposite! Pornography and prostitution are exactly the opposite of "romantic love" - and I guess (euphemism) that is because both things are meant for...

[Jute]

Couldn't we say the same of pro v. anti-nuclear environmentalists, and differing libertarian views on intellectual property, and interpretations of Non-aggression principle?

None of those groups demand my uncompromising, unquestioning support, like the more hard-line feminist movements do. I can be a libertarian, disagree on certain key policy issues with other libertarians, and not be excluded from the conversation. Meanwhile, there are plenty of feminist that would immediately and wholly discount everything I say, simply because I have a dick. I'm not going to associate myself with a political movement that, at least in part, is hostile towards my involvement at any level.

That's just the most radical ones. There are also some in the LGBT+ rights movement, but you wouldn't deny them your support just because some of them make some awful generalizing statements about "cishets" or straight people who are comfortable with their birth gender?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I never really thought about it that deeply. It seemed to have worked fine for me.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Who ever said "romantic love = slavery!"???
When one opposes pornography and prostitution it's exactly the opposite!

Why would you oppose bodily autonomy?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Hence my displeasure with the whole of the feminist movement. They can't come to a consensus on such basic issues, and then ask for my unequivocal support? Fat chance.

Couldn't we say the same of pro v. anti-nuclear environmentalists, and differing libertarian views on intellectual property, and interpretations of Non-aggression principle?

Yeah, libertarians disagree with each other even more than feminists. Some ideological labels can be applied to a wide assortment of people. Try getting a National Socialist and a Democratic Socialist to agree on anything other than the fact the economy needs to be regulated to prevent abuse by wealthy capitalists.

[Chessmistress]

Who ever said "romantic love = slavery!"???
When one opposes pornography and prostitution it's exactly the opposite!

Why would you oppose bodily autonomy?

Because being coercied is not bodily autonomy.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Who ever said "romantic love = slavery!"???
When one opposes pornography and prostitution it's exactly the opposite! Pornography and prostitution are exactly the opposite of "romantic love" - and I guess (euphemism) that is because both things are meant for...

I was not talking about pornography or prostitution. The quiz has questions about "romantic love" which imply it is a form of oppression.