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Analyzing a "Feminist thought" quiz

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Is this right? Are these scales anti-sexist or sexist?

The quiz is sorting the categories of feminist well...
17
16%
The quiz misrepresents some types of feminism...
27
25%
Things are complicated on that first question...
4
4%
... the scales describe feminism as anti-sexist.
4
4%
... the scales, except liberal feminism show more sexism than anti-sexism.
34
32%
... all of the scale, including liberal feminism, show more sexism than anti-sexism.
8
7%
... I have a more complicated answer to the second question.
13
12%
 
Total votes : 107

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Postby Hanchu » Thu May 28, 2015 1:59 pm

Liberal Feminist 42
Women of Color 37
Socialist Feminist 20
Radical Feminist 16
Cultural Feminist 13
Conservative 13

16 is 16 points to high on the radfem scale

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Postby Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 2:00 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
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What if you think the movement in this day an age is based on nothing and has accomplished nothing?

That's not a belief system, that's ignorance.


You sound like the perfect person to give an unbiased opinion about my stance
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Postby Jormengand » Thu May 28, 2015 2:01 pm

Ieperithem wrote:SJWs really are that crazy. Huh.

I suppose their complete and irrational hatred for the opposite gender(in the case of females) and their creepy, deranged worship of the opposite gender(in the case of males) will prevent them from reproducing, so that's nice.

SJWs are apparently not what you think they are.
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Postby Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 2:02 pm

Jute wrote:
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What if you think the movement in this day an age is based on nothing and has accomplished nothing?

Then you're confusing it with the radical version of it? "Anti-feminist" kind of makes you sound like you think women should stay at home and not be elected as politicians, in my opinion.


If I believe men and women are already equal why should I support the feminist movement?
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Postby Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 2:04 pm

Jormengand wrote:
Ieperithem wrote:SJWs really are that crazy. Huh.

I suppose their complete and irrational hatred for the opposite gender(in the case of females) and their creepy, deranged worship of the opposite gender(in the case of males) will prevent them from reproducing, so that's nice.

SJWs are apparently not what you think they are.


No, they're just over sensative politically correct people that everyone finds annoying. (In the case of sjw feminists, not like people against world hunger or poverty #Real_Issues)
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Postby Fanosolia » Thu May 28, 2015 2:04 pm

Jute wrote:
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Well, there's one reason I disagree with it. I think it comes from the same place, if I'm reading the questions right, that one must be critical of the world we're born into similar to gender roles or institutional structures. Then again I've never heard that myself, so I'm spit balling here.

I don't see how romance has necessarily got anything to do with gender roles. What do you think how homosexual romances function?


No, I used gender roles as an examples. sorry about the confusion. I mean, most of our ideas of what it means to be in a romantic relationship are from replications of similar ideas forming this concept, like other social constructs. These may change over time, like no ones doing some of the weird rituals we used to do in terms of dates, but I think the sensual part has stayed with us.
Though, upon further reflection, maybe they mean more the submissive and dominant relationship dynamic in those questions? not sure.

I'll admit, I'm not the best at explaining this.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 2:08 pm

Nierra wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:That's not a belief system, that's ignorance.


You sound like the perfect person to give an unbiased opinion about my stance

You sound like the perfect person to have no idea what you're talking about, and demonstrate it on a daily basis.
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Postby Jormengand » Thu May 28, 2015 2:11 pm

Nierra wrote:
Jormengand wrote:SJWs are apparently not what you think they are.


No, they're just over sensative politically correct people that everyone finds annoying. (In the case of sjw feminists, not like people against world hunger or poverty #Real_Issues)

So basically, strawmen of SJWs are sensitive politically correct people that everyone finds annoying, and actual people actually fighting for actual social justice are... actually, perfectly normal and rational people?
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Postby Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 2:12 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Nierra wrote:
You sound like the perfect person to give an unbiased opinion about my stance

You sound like the perfect person to have no idea what you're talking about, and demonstrate it on a daily basis.


"everyone that disagrees with me is wrong or stupid or a combination of both"
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 2:14 pm

Nierra wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You sound like the perfect person to have no idea what you're talking about, and demonstrate it on a daily basis.


"everyone that disagrees with me is wrong or stupid or a combination of both"

No, you've just demonstrated to me and many others that even after large amounts of very basic information is thrown into your face you still can't accept that feminism isn't bad and isn't what you think it is and that those female chauvinists you and others like to harp on about are nigh-nonexistent.
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Postby Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 2:14 pm

Jormengand wrote:
Nierra wrote:
No, they're just over sensative politically correct people that everyone finds annoying. (In the case of sjw feminists, not like people against world hunger or poverty #Real_Issues)

So basically, strawmen of SJWs are sensitive politically correct people that everyone finds annoying, and actual people actually fighting for actual social justice are... actually, perfectly normal and rational people?


Sjw is a slander word for people who use legit issues as an excuse to be politically correct or over sensative so no.
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Postby Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 2:17 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Nierra wrote:
"everyone that disagrees with me is wrong or stupid or a combination of both"

No, you've just demonstrated to me and many others that even after large amounts of very basic information is thrown into your face you still can't accept that feminism isn't bad and isn't what you think it is and that those female chauvinists you and others like to harp on about are nigh-nonexistent.

https://youtu.be/Es1pADNS78w
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 2:18 pm

Nierra wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No, you've just demonstrated to me and many others that even after large amounts of very basic information is thrown into your face you still can't accept that feminism isn't bad and isn't what you think it is and that those female chauvinists you and others like to harp on about are nigh-nonexistent.

https://youtu.be/Es1pADNS78w

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Postby Kumuri » Thu May 28, 2015 2:23 pm

Am I the only one who notices that a lot of the criticism of this quiz comes from those labeled by it as "liberal feminists?"
Is this more that they don't identify as liberal, or that liberals are more likely to find the stances proposed in the quiz as too extreme, or something else entirely?
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Postby Fanosolia » Thu May 28, 2015 2:23 pm

Nierra wrote:
Jormengand wrote:So basically, strawmen of SJWs are sensitive politically correct people that everyone finds annoying, and actual people actually fighting for actual social justice are... actually, perfectly normal and rational people?


Sjw is a slander word for people who use legit issues as an excuse to be politically correct or over sensative so no.

Over sensitive in what way?
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Postby Hanchu » Thu May 28, 2015 2:25 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Nierra wrote:
"everyone that disagrees with me is wrong or stupid or a combination of both"

No, you've just demonstrated to me and many others that even after large amounts of very basic information is thrown into your face you still can't accept that feminism isn't bad and isn't what you think it is and that those female chauvinists you and others like to harp on about are nigh-nonexistent.

Dont make me do it

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 2:28 pm

Nierra wrote:
Jormengand wrote:So basically, strawmen of SJWs are sensitive politically correct people that everyone finds annoying, and actual people actually fighting for actual social justice are... actually, perfectly normal and rational people?


Sjw is a slander word for people who use legit issues as an excuse to be politically correct or over sensative so no.


Which is why anti-feminists should stop using this bullshit word.
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Postby Jormengand » Thu May 28, 2015 2:28 pm

Nierra wrote:
Jormengand wrote:So basically, strawmen of SJWs are sensitive politically correct people that everyone finds annoying, and actual people actually fighting for actual social justice are... actually, perfectly normal and rational people?


Sjw is a slander word for people who use legit issues as an excuse to be politically correct or over sensative so no.

Social Justice Warrior is a warrior for social justice. And anyone who thinks that justice is a bad thing is really, really dumb.
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Postby Aidannadia » Thu May 28, 2015 2:29 pm

Liberal feminist 50
Women of Color 42
Radical feminist 25
Socialist feminist 20
Cultural feminist 15
Conservative 12

I don't actively identify as a feminist, even if I agree with many feminists because I believe radicals have poisoned the movement. My partner identifies as a feminist and this is their score.
Perspective Score
Liberal feminist 46
Women of Color 41
Socialist feminist 31
Radical feminist 29
Cultural feminist 21
Conservative 15

Note that their score may not be completely accurate, as they did not understand some of the questions and had to ask me what they meant, meaning they may be biased towards my way of thinking, but we agree on most everything anyway so this is most likely a non-factor. They also have never encountered most of these arguments, especially the socialist-feminist ones and perhaps the cultural feminist ones as well, which may mean that these are small communities?

I am curious as to what they mean by "romantic love" ? Could anyone help me out with that?
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Postby Aquesta » Thu May 28, 2015 2:29 pm

Conservative 42
Liberal feminist 18
Socialist feminist 15
Women of Color 15
Radical feminist 10
Cultural feminist 10
Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.26
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 2:29 pm

Kumuri wrote:Am I the only one who notices that a lot of the criticism of this quiz comes from those labeled by it as "liberal feminists?"
Is this more that they don't identify as liberal, or that liberals are more likely to find the stances proposed in the quiz as too extreme, or something else entirely?


It is likely that liberals will find this too extreme. The format of the quiz was ridiculous, though, jumping around from cultural to ethical to economic question.
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Postby Hanchu » Thu May 28, 2015 2:30 pm

Jormengand wrote:
Nierra wrote:
Sjw is a slander word for people who use legit issues as an excuse to be politically correct or over sensative so no.

Social Justice Warrior is a warrior for social justice. And anyone who thinks that justice is a bad thing is really, really dumb.

No its a word used to describe what essentially amounts to left wing Neo nazis .

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Postby Fanosolia » Thu May 28, 2015 2:31 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Kumuri wrote:Am I the only one who notices that a lot of the criticism of this quiz comes from those labeled by it as "liberal feminists?"
Is this more that they don't identify as liberal, or that liberals are more likely to find the stances proposed in the quiz as too extreme, or something else entirely?


It is likely that liberals will find this too extreme. The format of the quiz was ridiculous, though, jumping around from cultural to ethical to economic question.


Yeah, they could have put it into those in sectioned off parts. Just would have made a bit more sense.
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Postby Aidannadia » Thu May 28, 2015 2:31 pm

Hanchu wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Social Justice Warrior is a warrior for social justice. And anyone who thinks that justice is a bad thing is really, really dumb.

No its a word used to describe what essentially amounts to left wing Neo nazis .

You obviously have no idea what a neo-nazi is.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 2:32 pm

Aidannadia wrote:I am curious as to what they mean by "romantic love" ? Could anyone help me out with that?


Some interpretations of feminism challenge traditional ideas of romance or outright reject it, saying it is a social tool that maintains women be dependent on men, IIRC.
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