The NationStates Feminist Thread

[Olerand]

I am aware of boss-napping. Violence against employers is not uncommon in France, as the recent attacks against the management of Air France has demonstrated. Not entirely sure what this has to do with feminists, however.

Workers in such situations in France hope to, physically, force management not to fire them. Do feminists playing dead on the red carpet hope to do the same? Or anything similar? I do not understand.

I think it was just a bit of irony, for irony's sake. I don't think anything serious was intended, I think it's hilarious if anything. If a message is being made, probably a 'feminism is still relevant, blahblahblah, look at us on this red carpet for a feminist film'. Of course, if I was a feminist PR manager I'd go with the first response as an official reason. Saves the trouble of people judging and saying 'well, what was the point of that? Nothing is achieved'.

Exactly. Nothing concrete came out, or will come out, of these silly displays.

[Wolfmanne2]

1- Your positions painted you as such; if you are not, I do apologize for mis-characterizing you, but it was not intended as an insult regardless.
2- No, I do not see the "Men's Rights Movement" standing up for men, as much as it stands up against feminists. I perceive this movement as a rejection of feminism, rather than a defense of battered men.
3- The belief, if that is what they believe, by these theatrical feminists that such silly displays will enact conformity in society vis à vis their views.

1. Okay.
2. You're ignoring how that isn't the case. The MRM exists out of the reality that inequalities affecting men are ignored. They have little other place to go. As has been mentioned, some MRAs are feminists too and vice versa. It's not mutually exclusive. You're mistaken in your belief that the MRM and anti-feminism are somehow the same when they are not as they are two different things.
3. These aren't theatrical feminists. These are feminists. They're already doing a great job at bringing society in line with their views going by how much legislation caters to their views.

2. That's not the case. The thing is most of the supposed 'inequalities' are merely individual cases that should be dealt within the justice system, not by rearranging society to bolster male privilege. The fact is I don't face discrimination and when I do, it is because of my skin colour. Male privilege is very much existent, because from my point of view it is very much existent. Whenever I am hindered or face discrimination, it is because of my race, not my gender.
3. Society acknowledging the fact that women are fundamentally unequal is bad? What's next, pay rises should be banned because it goes against 'shareholder's rights' to high profits and low costs?

[Ostroeuropa]

1. Okay.
2. You're ignoring how that isn't the case. The MRM exists out of the reality that inequalities affecting men are ignored. They have little other place to go. As has been mentioned, some MRAs are feminists too and vice versa. It's not mutually exclusive. You're mistaken in your belief that the MRM and anti-feminism are somehow the same when they are not as they are two different things.
3. These aren't theatrical feminists. These are feminists. They're already doing a great job at bringing society in line with their views going by how much legislation caters to their views.

2. That's not the case. The thing is most of the supposed 'inequalities' are merely individual cases that should be dealt within the justice system, not by rearranging society to bolster male privilege. The fact is I don't face discrimination and when I do, it is because of my skin colour. Male privilege is very much existent, because from my point of view it is very much existent. Whenever I am hindered or face discrimination, it is because of my race, not my gender.
3. Society acknowledging the fact that women are fundamentally unequal is bad? What's next, pay rises should be banned because it goes against 'shareholder's rights' to high profits and low costs?

You're literally supporting "KILL ALL MEN" bahar mustafa in your signature.

Nothing you say is of any relevance to people who aren't bigots.

Your resolute refusal to accept that men can be discriminated against is sad given your gender, and is a case of internalized misandry due to the feminist ideology that has warped your mind to the point that you don't understand a call for genocide from a university diversity officer should probably mean they get fired.

The police investigation of her is largely down to pressure from pro-men groups who are demanding something be done about it. The university failed to act, and so the police shall.

It's been explained to you numerous times that men can in fact be discriminated against due to their gender, and often are. You just refuse to accept that because it runs counter to your weird religious ideology that is obsessed with womens victimization.

Talking to you is more worthless than talking to a creationist, as is talking to most AMRs. All that can be done is to point out to others what type of person you have turned into after prolonged exposure to feminist rhetoric to make them understand why feminists must be opposed.

You don't even seem capable of considering if it's possible you've been turned into something hateful and wondering if there might be something wrong with you. That's what's really sad about it.

It galls me when I see men like you. With the women I get it. But men who do it, you're just depressing.

All we can do when people like you say this patently absurd stuff is to point out you are wrong and why, and why you've been turned into this.

[Valystria]

2- I simply do not see Men's Rights Activists standing up as loudly and publicly to defend injustices affecting men, as much as they do to stand up to feminists "opposing" them. Perhaps it is an issue of PR.
3- No, they are theatrical. The world, even the Western world, is not limited to Britain-USA-etc. Feminism varies by nation and region. Except for the FEMEN, who actually oppose things worth opposing -a salafi convention discussing women's theological subjugation to men for example, or the Catholic Church's murderous attitude towards contraception in the 3rd world- French feminists do not enact such silly displays. French feminism, in contrast, is more interested in legislative changes than overblown displays of contempt towards a feminist movie deemed not pure enough ideologically.

4- That they are. I see no laws in Britain and America making studies regarding male victims of violence illegal, or punishable, or reprehensible. That there is a bias amongst those people within the institutions is very true, but there are no institutional measures suppressing discussion, research, and the resolving of male domestic violence -rape- etc.

2- Your perception is flawed. What you see isn't necessarily the entire extent of what is actually happening. But at least you concede it may be a matter of PR rather than what is actually taking place.
3- It's a standard tactic of the movement. Calling them theatrical won't change that. I don't doubt French feminists also ignore the existence of male victims of rape and domestic violence. Secondly, you've overlooked that Anglosphere feminism can do ridiculous displays at movie releases while simultaneously pursuing feminist legislation. It's not limited to being one or the other.
4-... A legal system stacked against male victims is an institutional bias of the institution. As for research suppression, there's been a lot of examples of that raised in this thread. Turns out, feminist researchers do things like change their definition of rape to exclude female on male rape from being possible. That is an institutional measure of research suppression when the institutional processes that shape research and legislation happen to be dominated by feminists or those who sympathize with their ideology.

1. Okay.
2. You're ignoring how that isn't the case. The MRM exists out of the reality that inequalities affecting men are ignored. They have little other place to go. As has been mentioned, some MRAs are feminists too and vice versa. It's not mutually exclusive. You're mistaken in your belief that the MRM and anti-feminism are somehow the same when they are not as they are two different things.
3. These aren't theatrical feminists. These are feminists. They're already doing a great job at bringing society in line with their views going by how much legislation caters to their views.

2. That's not the case. The thing is most of the supposed 'inequalities' are merely individual cases that should be dealt within the justice system, not by rearranging society to bolster male privilege. The fact is I don't face discrimination and when I do, it is because of my skin colour. Male privilege is very much existent, because from my point of view it is very much existent. Whenever I am hindered or face discrimination, it is because of my race, not my gender.
3. Society acknowledging the fact that women are fundamentally unequal is bad? What's next, pay rises should be banned because it goes against 'shareholder's rights' to high profits and low costs?

2. ... okay, being a male victim of rape or domestic violence and being ignored by the judicial system is an example of male privilege? Wow.
3. See above. Men have it worse in various contexts. Exclusively focusing on women doesn't help the men who are victims.

[Ostroeuropa]

"There is no racism in the united states. It's all a case of isolated incidents that should be dealt with in the justice system, so discussing systemic fixes is wrong and misguided."

And he just doesn't see it. He doesn't see how he is a sexist to be saying shit like that.

What's extra pathetic about it is that the prison sentence gap is larger for men-women than black-white.

[New Larthinia]

1. Okay.
2. You're ignoring how that isn't the case. The MRM exists out of the reality that inequalities affecting men are ignored. They have little other place to go. As has been mentioned, some MRAs are feminists too and vice versa. It's not mutually exclusive. You're mistaken in your belief that the MRM and anti-feminism are somehow the same when they are not as they are two different things.
3. These aren't theatrical feminists. These are feminists. They're already doing a great job at bringing society in line with their views going by how much legislation caters to their views.

2. That's not the case. The thing is most of the supposed 'inequalities' are merely individual cases that should be dealt within the justice system, not by rearranging society to bolster male privilege. The fact is I don't face discrimination and when I do, it is because of my skin colour. Male privilege is very much existent, because from my point of view it is very much existent. Whenever I am hindered or face discrimination, it is because of my race, not my gender.
3. Society acknowledging the fact that women are fundamentally unequal is bad? What's next, pay rises should be banned because it goes against 'shareholder's rights' to high profits and low costs?

And, how can you prove men are very high placed in society and women are just poor, poor slaves?

[Galloism]

4- That they are. I see no laws in Britain and America making studies regarding male victims of violence illegal, or punishable, or reprehensible. That there is a bias amongst those people within the institutions is very true, but there are no institutional measures suppressing discussion, research, and the resolving of male domestic violence -rape- etc.

Incidentally, this is completely untrue.

There is plenty of evidence regarding institutional suppression of discussion, research, and resolving of male domestic violence.

[Italios]

"There is no racism in the united states. It's all a case of isolated incidents that should be dealt with in the justice system, so discussing systemic fixes is wrong and misguided."

And he just doesn't see it. He doesn't see how he is a sexist to be saying shit like that.

What's extra pathetic about it is that the prison sentence gap is larger for men-women than black-white.

As sad as it is to say, racism still very much exists in the USA, and virtually every other country. That being said, not every incident of a police officer using excessive force on his or her opposite race is racism, or other incidents that could be looked at as racism as a motive.

[Ostroeuropa]

4- That they are. I see no laws in Britain and America making studies regarding male victims of violence illegal, or punishable, or reprehensible. That there is a bias amongst those people within the institutions is very true, but there are no institutional measures suppressing discussion, research, and the resolving of male domestic violence -rape- etc.

Incidentally, this is completely untrue.

There is plenty of evidence regarding institutional suppression of discussion, research, and resolving of male domestic violence.

It's that he doesn't know what the words mean Gallo.

He doesn't think even if an institution is entirely populated by, say, klan members.

So long as the laws and rules of that institution don't support them, and they merely use their discretionary power to fuck people over, it's not institutional discrimination.

He doesn't know what the words mean.

[New Larthinia]

"There is no racism in the united states. It's all a case of isolated incidents that should be dealt with in the justice system, so discussing systemic fixes is wrong and misguided."

And he just doesn't see it. He doesn't see how he is a sexist to be saying shit like that.

What's extra pathetic about it is that the prison sentence gap is larger for men-women than black-white.

There is no racism in the united states.

So, he's saying that one of the multicultural countries of the world is not racist? Why and how?

[Italios]

"There is no racism in the united states. It's all a case of isolated incidents that should be dealt with in the justice system, so discussing systemic fixes is wrong and misguided."

And he just doesn't see it. He doesn't see how he is a sexist to be saying shit like that.

What's extra pathetic about it is that the prison sentence gap is larger for men-women than black-white.

There is no racism in the united states.

So, he's saying that one of the multicultural countries of the world is not racist? Why and how?

Just because there are a lot of different races in the country does not mean every is tolerant of them. If you live in the USA and have never seen or heard of racism going on, you've either closed your eyes and ears to everything or don't know what racism is.

[Galloism]

Incidentally, this is completely untrue.

There is plenty of evidence regarding institutional suppression of discussion, research, and resolving of male domestic violence.

It's that he doesn't know what the words mean Gallo.

He doesn't think even if an institution is entirely populated by, say, klan members.

So long as the laws and rules of that institution don't support them, and they merely use their discretionary power to fuck people over, it's not institutional discrimination.

He doesn't know what the words mean.

Of course, by the same token, one would equally say the same about women - that there is no institutional discrimination against women as there's no law that says women are second-class citizens.

[New Larthinia]

Also, have you noticed what has this thread gone into? From a thread originally created to support feminism, it now transformed into this huge battlefield hellhole.

And, funny fact is that one of the rules is that you're not allowed to rant about feminism on this thread,

[Ostroeuropa]

It's that he doesn't know what the words mean Gallo.

He doesn't think even if an institution is entirely populated by, say, klan members.

So long as the laws and rules of that institution don't support them, and they merely use their discretionary power to fuck people over, it's not institutional discrimination.

He doesn't know what the words mean.

Of course, by the same token, one would equally say the same about women - that there is no institutional discrimination against women as there's no law that says women are second-class citizens.

He does say that, to his credit. I guess?
I mean, it reveals it's a case of ignorance instead of malice, at least.

[Galloism]

Also, have you noticed what has this thread gone into? From a thread originally created to support feminism, it now transformed into this huge battlefield hellhole.

And, funny fact is that one of the rules was that you're not allowed to rant about feminism on this thread,

You can't make rules as an OP - not in general.

His rules are as enforceable as your neighbor who screams across the fence that you can't wear white after labor day.

[New Larthinia]

There is no racism in the united states.

So, he's saying that one of the multicultural countries of the world is not racist? Why and how?

Just because there are a lot of different races in the country does not mean every is tolerant of them. If you live in the USA and have never seen or heard of racism going on, you've either closed your eyes and ears to everything or don't know what racism is.

Pretty much what feminists do gender-related. They close their eyes and ears to all the good news that concern them and then they keep on ranting.

Also, did I mention you need to put your foil hats on?

[New Larthinia]

Also, have you noticed what has this thread gone into? From a thread originally created to support feminism, it now transformed into this huge battlefield hellhole.

And, funny fact is that one of the rules was that you're not allowed to rant about feminism on this thread,

You can't make rules as an OP - not in general.

His rules are as enforceable as your neighbor who screams across the fence that you can't wear white after labor day.

That's true, but my point was this thread was created for supporting feminism and it has gone into the exact opposite: ranting feminism.

[Italios]

Just because there are a lot of different races in the country does not mean every is tolerant of them. If you live in the USA and have never seen or heard of racism going on, you've either closed your eyes and ears to everything or don't know what racism is.

Pretty much what feminists do gender-related. They close their eyes and ears to all the good news that concern them and then they keep on ranting.

Also, did I mention you need to put your foil hats on?

And here you are ranting that racism doesn't exist in the USA. If that's not hypocrisy I don't know what is.

[New Larthinia]

Pretty much what feminists do gender-related. They close their eyes and ears to all the good news that concern them and then they keep on ranting.

Also, did I mention you need to put your foil hats on?

And here you are ranting that racism doesn't exist in the USA. If that's not hypocrisy I don't know what is.

Wait, what? I actually said racism DOES exist in USA because it IS a multicultural country and it is ALIVE and well. What do you mean?

By the way, I quoted him when I said that racism doesn't exist, I think it was pretty damn obvious.

[Ostroeuropa]

You can't make rules as an OP - not in general.

His rules are as enforceable as your neighbor who screams across the fence that you can't wear white after labor day.

That's true, but my point was this thread was created for supporting feminism and it has gone into the exact opposite: ranting feminism.

It's for discussing feminism.

The fact that they have almost nothing to discuss that isn't based on lies and bullshit isn't our problem. So pretty much it went from us saying "Well, that's a lie." "That's incorrect." "That's statistically untrue." to them going "Well, feminism as a broad nebulous concept, since all our specific talking points were shown to be utterly bigoted or based in unreality, is for equality." and us going "No it isn't and here's why."

If you want to actually know about womens issues, go ask the MRM. They know some real ones. Be nice about it though and point out you're aware it's a mens space, you're just wondering about their perspective on womens issues.

In a feminism discussion thread, ANY feminism discussion thread, where open debate is allowed, this is the INEVITABLE conclusion.

That is why they are so fucking obsessed with controlling and censoring what is and isn't acceptable to say. Their paychecks depend on it.

[Italios]

You can't make rules as an OP - not in general.

His rules are as enforceable as your neighbor who screams across the fence that you can't wear white after labor day.

That's true, but my point was this thread was created for supporting feminism and it has gone into the exact opposite: ranting feminism.

What Galloism said, in General, OP is not God. They can make requests but those will not necessarily be followed out. It's also against the rules to not allow someone into a thread in this subforum. So you can stay here and listen to them rant about it, or leave.

[New Larthinia]

That's true, but my point was this thread was created for supporting feminism and it has gone into the exact opposite: ranting feminism.

What Galloism said, in General, OP is not God. They can make requests but those will not necessarily be followed out. It's also against the rules to not allow someone into a thread in this subforum. So you can stay here and listen to them rant about it, or leave.

Wait, what? I actually said racism DOES exist in USA because it IS a multicultural country and it is ALIVE and well. What do you mean?

By the way, I quoted him when I said that racism doesn't exist, I think it was pretty damn obvious.

[Italios]

And here you are ranting that racism doesn't exist in the USA. If that's not hypocrisy I don't know what is.

Wait, what? I actually said racism DOES exist in USA because it IS a multicultural country and it is ALIVE and well. What do you mean?

By the way, I quoted him when I said that racism doesn't exist, I think it was pretty damn obvious.

Ohhhh, I'm sorry, you did not put quotations around "There is no racism in the United States." So I read that as you saying that. Again I apologise. That should be directed at the person who said that. But may I request next time you do something like that you put it in quotations.

[Valystria]

Also, have you noticed what has this thread gone into? From a thread originally created to support feminism, it now transformed into this huge battlefield hellhole.

And, funny fact is that one of the rules is that you're not allowed to rant about feminism on this thread,

From the OP;

Mission
This thread is dedicated to supporting feminism and the promotion of women's rights; it is a place to educate, uplift and nurture the younger generations.

And there's been a lot of feminists in this thread against women's rights. As there has been suppression and denial of research. I'm interested in anyone's rights where inequality is concerned, including when it's women's rights that need to be addressed. Often that means opposing feminists.

You can't make rules as an OP - not in general.

His rules are as enforceable as your neighbor who screams across the fence that you can't wear white after labor day.

That's true, but my point was this thread was created for supporting feminism and it has gone into the exact opposite: ranting feminism.

See above. Women's rights can and do conflict with feminism. Making this thread into a place where feminism can't be criticized even when it's because it's against women's rights isn't helpful to anyone except sexists, although there's no indication that criticism of feminism is forbidden in this thread.

[New Larthinia]

That's true, but my point was this thread was created for supporting feminism and it has gone into the exact opposite: ranting feminism.

It's for discussing feminism.

The fact that they have almost nothing to discuss that isn't based on lies and bullshit isn't our problem. So pretty much it went from us saying "Well, that's a lie." "That's incorrect." "That's statistically untrue." to them going "Well, feminism as a broad nebulous concept, since all our specific talking points were shown to be utterly bigoted or based in unreality, is for equality." and us going "No it isn't and here's why."

If you want to actually know about womens issues, go ask the MRM. They know some real ones. Be nice about it though and point out you're aware it's a mens space, you're just wondering about their perspective on womens issues.

In a feminism discussion thread, ANY feminism discussion thread, where open debate is allowed, this is the INEVITABLE conclusion.

That is why they are so fucking obsessed with controlling and censoring what is and isn't acceptable to say. Their paychecks depend on it.

It basically is for supporting feminism.

Yeah, exactly.