The NationStates Feminist Thread

[Geilinor]

Who said that you are "pro-life" just because you are opposing abortion? Some people oppose it because they oppose women rights, that is out of sheer woman-hate.

What? I don't hate women. I am a woman!

Well, what does an abortion do? (I suppose this is part of another thread, but
answer me that.)

Ends a pregnancy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Who said that you are "pro-life" just because you are opposing abortion? Some people oppose it because they oppose women rights, that is out of sheer woman-hate.

What? I don't hate women. I am a woman!

Well, what does an abortion do? (I suppose this is part of another thread, but
answer me that.)

If your argument is "it ends a human life" we have gone over this in the abortion thread how not all humans are people extensively and the reasons why this is not the case.

Look, I disagree with abortion from a personal perspective, but I am a firm believer that my ethics and morals shouldn't dictate the world's, and they don't. If they did it'd be incredibly stupid and people should get their head checked.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Who said that you are "pro-life" just because you are opposing abortion? Some people oppose it because they oppose women rights, that is out of sheer woman-hate.

What? I don't hate women. I am a woman!

Well, what does an abortion do? (I suppose this is part of another thread, but
answer me that.)

It ends a pregnancy. Really, this is not a difficult concept to understand.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What? I don't hate women. I am a woman!

Well, what does an abortion do? (I suppose this is part of another thread, but
answer me that.)

It ends a pregnancy. Really, this is not a difficult concept to understand.

No, the difficult concept is not the fact it ends a pregnancy.

The difficult concept to grasp (although it is debated fiercely) is that the embryo/fetus is literally a baby. Which is basically a form of animism, or giving an inanimate object animate qualities. And it is a bias we have towards our progeny.

That doesn't mean ending a pregnancy is bad, it just is.

[Galloism]

It ends a pregnancy. Really, this is not a difficult concept to understand.

No, the difficult concept is not the fact it ends a pregnancy.

The difficult concept to grasp (although it is debated fiercely) is that the embryo/fetus is literally a baby. Which is basically a form of animism, or giving an inanimate object animate qualities.

My car has animate qualities. She even has a name.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No, the difficult concept is not the fact it ends a pregnancy.

The difficult concept to grasp (although it is debated fiercely) is that the embryo/fetus is literally a baby. Which is basically a form of animism, or giving an inanimate object animate qualities.

My car has animate qualities. She even has a name.

Baby Girl. Or was it Harriet?

It ends a pregnancy. Really, this is not a difficult concept to understand.

No, the difficult concept is not the fact it ends a pregnancy.

The difficult concept to grasp (although it is debated fiercely) is that the embryo/fetus is literally a baby. Which is basically a form of animism, or giving an inanimate object animate qualities. And it is a bias we have towards our progeny.

That doesn't mean ending a pregnancy is bad, it just is.

It really isn't that difficult when you factor in that a baby and a fetus aren't the same. Or that this is a matter of choice. It really isn't a hard concept to grasp.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, the difficult concept is not the fact it ends a pregnancy.

The difficult concept to grasp (although it is debated fiercely) is that the embryo/fetus is literally a baby. Which is basically a form of animism, or giving an inanimate object animate qualities.

My car has animate qualities. She even has a name.

If you are mocking me then it is because I probably composed my sentence wrong

My belief is that because it is a form of animism, and it is a bias we have, it is ridiculous to think of a fetus as literally a baby.

As for the argument of potential? I explained also in the other thread (the abortion thread) that "potentially" having a baby is like potentially winning the lottery.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My car has animate qualities. She even has a name.

Baby Girl. Or was it Harriet?

No, the difficult concept is not the fact it ends a pregnancy.

The difficult concept to grasp (although it is debated fiercely) is that the embryo/fetus is literally a baby. Which is basically a form of animism, or giving an inanimate object animate qualities. And it is a bias we have towards our progeny.

That doesn't mean ending a pregnancy is bad, it just is.

It really isn't that difficult when you factor in that a baby and a fetus aren't the same. Or that this is a matter of choice. It really isn't a hard concept to grasp.

Indeed.

Which is why I have a qualm about pro-life advocates talking about the "unborn baby" like some kind of sapient life that is self-aware to any sort of degree. The only argument pro-life advocates have is that the fetus is literally a baby, once you sweep that out of the rug then they have no argument anymore.

[Galloism]

My car has animate qualities. She even has a name.

If you are mocking me then it is because I probably composed my sentence wrong

My belief is that because it is a form of animism, and it is a bias we have, it is ridiculous to think of a fetus as literally a baby.

As for the argument of potential? I explained also in the other thread (the abortion thread) that "potentially" having a baby is like potentially winning the lottery.

Just pointing out that humans often ascribe qualities and personality to inanimate objects, then proceed to bond with them.

Tuvok commented on that one time in Star Trek: Voyager.

Captain Kathryn Janeway: Tuvok, I can hear your objections already. I am not leaving.
Tuvok: Given Voyager's damaged state, the probability of your surviving an armed conflict... is marginal.
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Oh, I know the odds. But I have to stay. Voyager's done too much for us.
Tuvok: Curious. I have never understood the Human compulsion to emotionally bond with inanimate objects. This vessel has done nothing. It is an assemblage of bulkheads, conduits, tritanium. Nothing more.
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Oh, you're wrong. It's much more than that. This ship has been our home. It's kept us together. It's been part of our family. As illogical as this might sound, I feel as close to Voyager as I do to any other member of my crew. It's carried us, Tuvok - even nurtured us. And right now, it needs one of us.
Tuvok: I respect your decision.
Tuvok: [performs the Vulcan salute] Live long and prosper, Captain.
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Same to you - old friend.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0001528/quotes

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Baby Girl. Or was it Harriet?



It really isn't that difficult when you factor in that a baby and a fetus aren't the same. Or that this is a matter of choice. It really isn't a hard concept to grasp.

Indeed.

Which is why I have a qualm about pro-life advocates talking about the "unborn baby" like some kind of sapient life that is self-aware to any sort of degree. The only argument pro-life advocates have is that the fetus is literally a baby, once you sweep that out of the rug then they have no argument anymore.

That's what I mean.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you are mocking me then it is because I probably composed my sentence wrong

My belief is that because it is a form of animism, and it is a bias we have, it is ridiculous to think of a fetus as literally a baby.

As for the argument of potential? I explained also in the other thread (the abortion thread) that "potentially" having a baby is like potentially winning the lottery.

Just pointing out that humans often ascribe qualities and personality to inanimate objects, then proceed to bond with them.

Tuvok commented on that one time in Star Trek: Voyager.

Captain Kathryn Janeway: Tuvok, I can hear your objections already. I am not leaving.
Tuvok: Given Voyager's damaged state, the probability of your surviving an armed conflict... is marginal.
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Oh, I know the odds. But I have to stay. Voyager's done too much for us.
Tuvok: Curious. I have never understood the Human compulsion to emotionally bond with inanimate objects. This vessel has done nothing. It is an assemblage of bulkheads, conduits, tritanium. Nothing more.
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Oh, you're wrong. It's much more than that. This ship has been our home. It's kept us together. It's been part of our family. As illogical as this might sound, I feel as close to Voyager as I do to any other member of my crew. It's carried us, Tuvok - even nurtured us. And right now, it needs one of us.
Tuvok: I respect your decision.
Tuvok: [performs the Vulcan salute] Live long and prosper, Captain.
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Same to you - old friend.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0001528/quotes

I see. Indeed, that happens a lot

I haven't had that experience, as of yet, of giving something animate qualities or a name. I tried giving a name to my guitar, but it felt silly to do it.

[Chestaan]

I just looked up the term PIV, being previously unaware of it and this is what I found...

[Voordeklasp]

I just looked up the term PIV, being previously unaware of it and this is what I found...

Radfems. One of the dumbest people in earth.

[Chestaan]

I just looked up the term PIV, being previously unaware of it and this is what I found...

Radfems. One of the dumbest people in earth.

I can't even fathom how someone can have a leap of logic so great to claim that consensual sex is rape. How insulting this must be to victims of actual rape.

[Galloism]

Radfems. One of the dumbest people in earth.

I can't even fathom how someone can have a leap of logic so great to claim that consensual sex is rape. How insulting this must be to victims of actual rape.

The series of comments agreeing is somehow more depressing than the article itself.

[Chestaan]

I can't even fathom how someone can have a leap of logic so great to claim that consensual sex is rape. How insulting this must be to victims of actual rape.

The series of comments agreeing is somehow more depressing than the article itself.

I guess it's sad to realise that so many people are insane in the exact same way.

[Galloism]

Just pointing out that humans often ascribe qualities and personality to inanimate objects, then proceed to bond with them.

Tuvok commented on that one time in Star Trek: Voyager.



http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0001528/quotes

I see. Indeed, that happens a lot

I haven't had that experience, as of yet, of giving something animate qualities or a name. I tried giving a name to my guitar, but it felt silly to do it.

Once you find that one special inanimate object, it will become very special and precious to you, so you will provide it with some animate qualities and its own personality.

It just hasn't happened yet, but it will happen someday when you're older.

[Gauthier]

I see. Indeed, that happens a lot

I haven't had that experience, as of yet, of giving something animate qualities or a name. I tried giving a name to my guitar, but it felt silly to do it.

Once you find that one special inanimate object, it will become very special and precious to you, so you will provide it with some animate qualities and its own personality.

It just hasn't happened yet, but it will happen someday when you're older.

But of course that's only while the battery and the motor lasts.

[Valystria]

Oh, hi there. I see you're back to refusing to answer questions which prove you wrong.



Do tell us.

If you are expecting Chessmistress to suddenly begin to debate honestly and try to argue against things that are damning to her sexist narrative, I think you're going to be waiting a long long time.

Fortunately, I happen to have a lot of time available.

If you are expecting Chessmistress to suddenly begin to debate honestly and try to argue against things that are damning to her sexist narrative, I think you're going to be waiting a long long time.

Hell will freeze over before she debates honestly on topics that go against her viewpoints.

And until she debates honestly she's going to keep getting called out on it. There's a minimum level of responsibility posters should be held accountable to.

I see. Indeed, that happens a lot

I haven't had that experience, as of yet, of giving something animate qualities or a name. I tried giving a name to my guitar, but it felt silly to do it.

Once you find that one special inanimate object, it will become very special and precious to you, so you will provide it with some animate qualities and its own personality.

It just hasn't happened yet, but it will happen someday when you're older.

Animization! Stop this at once! How dare you ascribe animate qualities to an inanimate object!

[Valystria]

Radfems. One of the dumbest people in earth.

And yet they continue to increasingly dominate legislatures, universities, political parties and the media.

I just looked up the term PIV, being previously unaware of it and this is what I found...

It's a mindset built on Six Degrees of Separation. A worldview built on the casual use of false equivalencies, false equations and guilty by association.

Some rapes involve PIV. Therefore, all PIV is rape.

[Gauthier]

Radfems. One of the dumbest people in earth.

And yet they continue to increasingly dominate legislatures, universities, political parties and the media.

I just looked up the term PIV, being previously unaware of it and this is what I found...

It's a mindset built on Six Degrees of Separation. A worldview built on the casual use of false equivalencies, false equations and guilty by association.

Some rapes involve PIV. Therefore, all PIV is rape.

And then an epidemic of dildo rape puzzles radfems.

[Valystria]

And yet they continue to increasingly dominate legislatures, universities, political parties and the media.


It's a mindset built on Six Degrees of Separation. A worldview built on the casual use of false equivalencies, false equations and guilty by association.

Some rapes involve PIV. Therefore, all PIV is rape.

And then an epidemic of dildo rape puzzles radfems.

Well, it's only dildo rape if a man rapes a woman with a dildo. *nods*

[Luminesa]

What? I don't hate women. I am a woman!

Well, what does an abortion do? (I suppose this is part of another thread, but
answer me that.)

It ends a pregnancy. Really, this is not a difficult concept to understand.

No, I know that, of course. I'm not new to this issue at all.
I'm asking you guys. Because if abortion ends a pregnancy...it ends a life.
If it ends a life...it's anti-life.

[Geilinor]

It ends a pregnancy. Really, this is not a difficult concept to understand.

No, I know that, of course. I'm not new to this issue at all.
I'm asking you guys. Because if abortion ends a pregnancy...it ends a life.
If it ends a life...it's anti-life.

So does the death penalty, war, and self-defense. I don't hear more social conservatives complaining.

[Luminesa]

No, I know that, of course. I'm not new to this issue at all.
I'm asking you guys. Because if abortion ends a pregnancy...it ends a life.
If it ends a life...it's anti-life.

So does the death penalty, war, and self-defense. I don't hear more social conservatives complaining.

I'm not for the death penalty. Never said I was.
Certainly, war is anti-life. That's why we try to avoid war, when we can, though in the world
we live in it's almost unavoidable. But it can overlap with self-defense, which
is not inherently anti-life. If you're defending yourself from someone who's trying
to shoot you dead, that's not bad. That's actually what you're supposed to do, is
defend yourself. Anyway, the justifiableness of a war depends on the war. Are we
talking World War II (justifiable) or Iraq (much more muddled)?