The NationStates Feminist Thread

[Gauthier]

Criminalizing the purchase of sex service is a backdoor ban.

But it leads to, as I've mentioned, people trying to get sex without paying, leaving any prostitute vulnerable.

Advocates of the Nordic Model simply don't give a shit. If a woman or man can't find some other means of earning a living They Had It Coming. More likely, it will leave sex workers more vulnerable because now Demand is more powerful than Supply.

[Val Halla]

But it leads to, as I've mentioned, people trying to get sex without paying, leaving any prostitute vulnerable.

Advocates of the Nordic Model simply don't give a shit. If a woman or man can't find some other means of earning a living They Had It Coming. More likely, it will leave sex workers more vulnerable because now Demand is more powerful than Supply.

It's very dangerous. If you want to outlaw one part, outlaw the selling.

[Jute]

But it leads to, as I've mentioned, people trying to get sex without paying, leaving any prostitute vulnerable.

Advocates of the Nordic Model simply don't give a shit. If a woman or man can't find some other means of earning a living They Had It Coming. More likely, it will leave sex workers more vulnerable because now Demand is more powerful than Supply.

What "Nordic Model" are you talking about?

[Galloism]

But it leads to, as I've mentioned, people trying to get sex without paying, leaving any prostitute vulnerable.

Advocates of the Nordic Model simply don't give a shit. If a woman or man can't find some other means of earning a living They Had It Coming. More likely, it will leave sex workers more vulnerable because now Demand is more powerful than Supply.

I'm telling you, this plan will totally work. Honestly. Let's expand the concept and outlaw buying drugs but decriminalize manufacture and sale.

[Jute]

Advocates of the Nordic Model simply don't give a shit. If a woman or man can't find some other means of earning a living They Had It Coming. More likely, it will leave sex workers more vulnerable because now Demand is more powerful than Supply.

It's very dangerous. If you want to outlaw one part, outlaw the selling.

Why that? That would mean you aren't allowed bodily sovereignty in this case anymore, and there should be a good reason for that. Also, it's just as impractical to enforce...

[Valystria]

Advocates of the Nordic Model simply don't give a shit. If a woman or man can't find some other means of earning a living They Had It Coming. More likely, it will leave sex workers more vulnerable because now Demand is more powerful than Supply.

I'm telling you, this plan will totally work. Honestly. Let's expand the concept and outlaw buying drugs but decriminalize manufacture and sale.

We'll get around to it once the war on drugs becomes a feminist issue.

[Eroda Saaniah]

It's very dangerous. If you want to outlaw one part, outlaw the selling.

Why that? That would mean you aren't allowed bodily sovereignty in this case anymore, and there should be a good reason for that. Also, it's just as impractical to enforce...

Prostitutes are basically trying to get their buyers to do crime. They, too, are criminals here.

[Geilinor]

The Nordic model is insulted.

[Jute]

The Nordic model is insulted.

Definitely...

[Val Halla]

It's very dangerous. If you want to outlaw one part, outlaw the selling.

Why that? That would mean you aren't allowed bodily sovereignty in this case anymore, and there should be a good reason for that. Also, it's just as impractical to enforce...

Outlawing the buying of it but not the selling puts prostitutes at risk, a people will try and get the services without paying in an attempt to avoid breaking any laws.

I'm pro sex worker, by the way

[Valystria]

The Nordic model is insulted.

Yes but when saying one thing it's another that is meant.

Patriarchy? Patriarchy theory.
Sexism? Something only men can do.
Nordic Model? No, not that one. We mean the one about prostitution.

[Geilinor]

Why that? That would mean you aren't allowed bodily sovereignty in this case anymore, and there should be a good reason for that. Also, it's just as impractical to enforce...

Prostitutes are basically trying to get their buyers to do crime. They, too, are criminals here.

They aren't forcing the buyers to do anything.

[Gauthier]

I'm telling you, this plan will totally work. Honestly. Let's expand the concept and outlaw buying drugs but decriminalize manufacture and sale.

We'll get around to it once the war on drugs becomes a feminist issue.

First, demand to get rid of the term "Crack Whore." Obviously a patriarchal term demeaning women even amongst addicts.

[Jute]

Why that? That would mean you aren't allowed bodily sovereignty in this case anymore, and there should be a good reason for that. Also, it's just as impractical to enforce...

Outlawing the buying of it but not the selling puts prostitutes at risk, a people will try and get the services without paying in an attempt to avoid breaking any laws.

I'm pro sex worker, by the way

so why ban selling?

[Valystria]

Prostitutes are basically trying to get their buyers to do crime. They, too, are criminals here.

They aren't forcing the buyers to do anything.

But they are attempting to force them to not pay for sex. By making the act of paying for sex illegal.

[Eroda Saaniah]

Prostitutes are basically trying to get their buyers to do crime. They, too, are criminals here.

They aren't forcing the buyers to do anything.

Trying. Not forcing. Seducting people into crime is criminal.

[Gauthier]

Why that? That would mean you aren't allowed bodily sovereignty in this case anymore, and there should be a good reason for that. Also, it's just as impractical to enforce...

Outlawing the buying of it but not the selling puts prostitutes at risk, a people will try and get the services without paying in an attempt to avoid breaking any laws.

I'm pro sex worker, by the way

No, it will more likely lead to sex workers being put at a disadvantage since they'll be more likely to meet the demands of clients in order to get business. Like increases in the spread of VD because of Bareback or Bust.

[Val Halla]

Outlawing the buying of it but not the selling puts prostitutes at risk, a people will try and get the services without paying in an attempt to avoid breaking any laws.

I'm pro sex worker, by the way

so why ban selling?

Ugh ._.

I meant f you have to ban prostitution, ban it's selling. takes away that risk.

[Valystria]

Outlawing the buying of it but not the selling puts prostitutes at risk, a people will try and get the services without paying in an attempt to avoid breaking any laws.

I'm pro sex worker, by the way

No, it will more likely lead to sex workers being put at a disadvantage since they'll be more likely to meet the demands of clients in order to get business. Like increases in the spread of VD because of Bareback or Bust.

In other words, shifting bargaining power away from the sex worker and over to the client.

[Jute]

so why ban selling?

Ugh ._.

I meant f you have to ban prostitution, ban it's selling. takes away that risk.

How so?

[Fin Dovah Junaar]

The whole PIV thing reminds me why I have formed a negative view of the movement as a whole.

[Chessmistress]

The whole PIV thing reminds me why I have formed a negative view of the movement as a whole.

Why?
Criticism of PIV is not being PIV-negative, it's just about thinking that PIV shouldn't be the default sex.
Criticism of PIV is criticism of heteronormativity.

Check that
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 6585301561
It's not against PIV

Can I still have PIV if I want to?
Of course! It’s a free country. Not all women hate PIV; some don’t mind it; some even enjoy it. Most women who enjoy it enjoy clitoris stimulation more. But everyone’s an individual and we all get pleasure in different ways.

[May Mays]

The whole PIV thing reminds me why I have formed a negative view of the movement as a whole.

Why?
Criticism of PIV is not being PIV-negative, it's just about thinking that PIV shouldn't be the default sex.
Criticism of PIV is criticism of heteronormativity.

Check that
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 6585301561
It's not against PIV

Can I still have PIV if I want to?
Of course! It’s a free country. Not all women hate PIV; some don’t mind it; some even enjoy it. Most women who enjoy it enjoy clitoris stimulation more. But everyone’s an individual and we all get pleasure in different ways.

PIV will always be the norm though, because it's how humans reproduce.

[Fin Dovah Junaar]

The whole PIV thing reminds me why I have formed a negative view of the movement as a whole.

Why?
Criticism of PIV is not being PIV-negative, it's just about thinking that PIV shouldn't be the default sex.
Criticism of PIV is criticism of heteronormativity.

Fuck No, I'm not taking your bullshit!

You're wrong! Suck it up!

Hell no

Just no...no!

Fuck No!

I'm not hearing this Chessmistress, I will not go into thirty pages of having to debate this.

The Club of Chessmistress Defeats is already to crowded as is, and they already ran out of pigs in a blanket.

No rational human being can argue against PIV, if you do you're not rational.

This is one of the central building blocks of reproduction, instinct, etc.

You can't even allude to rape as it is by definition, because thats a no brainier.

Its like you all think women are these brainless morons who can't think for themselves, and can't possibly believe that what they want, is of their own desires.

No, its all on the fucking patiraitcilluminati lizard men.

What the fuck do you even mean by hertronormative anyways?

What, you want a straight couple to do some weird scissor thing when not aiming to make a baby...or is childbirth oppression too?

God dammit Chess...this is the exact reason I am not a Feminist, because they let you're kind of people run wild, speak at the UN...or write numerous articles talking about how a poor millionaire feminist is oppressed, more than that stupid cishet homeless man about to hang himself.

I hate Progressives, I hate feminist, they push reasonable people way from actual Liberalism and Egalitarianism, and the last thing I want to see in this world is a rise in the social right.

At least in the good ole US of A.

[Jute]

The whole PIV thing reminds me why I have formed a negative view of the movement as a whole.

Why?
Criticism of PIV is not being PIV-negative, it's just about thinking that PIV shouldn't be the default sex.
Criticism of PIV is criticism of heteronormativity.

Check that
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 6585301561
It's not against PIV

Can I still have PIV if I want to?
Of course! It’s a free country. Not all women hate PIV; some don’t mind it; some even enjoy it. Most women who enjoy it enjoy clitoris stimulation more. But everyone’s an individual and we all get pleasure in different ways.

*Having PIV is the only way to get pregnant. Not true. Sperm can swim up the vagina from the outside. Pregnancy is often caused this way.

What? I have never heard of this.