The NationStates Feminist Thread

[Val Halla]

Hmm. http://www.transadvocate.com/you-might- ... _10226.htm



One of the main bullshit things.

That's the site I found when I went to look for what "TERF" actually means. This is the petty kind of thing they seem to do sometimes: link

I would say that TERFs unite groups in hatred but then I remembered that most people don't support trans rights.

[Jute]

That's the site I found when I went to look for what "TERF" actually means. This is the petty kind of thing they seem to do sometimes: link

I would say that TERFs unite groups in hatred but then I remembered that most people don't support trans rights.

They seem to endorse the other petty thing someone in the US Congress seems to have done on Wikipedia: link.
"Feminists" who are so radical they now hold conservative opinions and would agree with some Republicans on a number of things...

[Aelex]

I would say that TERFs unite groups in hatred but then I remembered that most people don't support trans rights.

Well, I would like to say that it isn't true but I'm myself quite passive on this subject as I have more or less adopted a philosophy of "Do the fuck you want as long as it's ain't infringing on my own rights and you're neither hurting people nor the State in the process."

[The Serbian Empire]

That's the site I found when I went to look for what "TERF" actually means. This is the petty kind of thing they seem to do sometimes: link

I would say that TERFs unite groups in hatred but then I remembered that most people don't support trans rights.

Most people agree with the TERFs as a result. I don't think transgender people will ever get their rights as long as the biology=gender mindset exists. We'd need to destroy the basis of genetic science to make trans rights a reality.

[Jute]

I would say that TERFs unite groups in hatred but then I remembered that most people don't support trans rights.

Most people agree with the TERFs as a result. I don't think transgender people will ever get their rights as long as the biology=gender mindset exists. We'd need to destroy the basis of genetic science to make trans rights a reality.

Or rather, educate people. Not just have sex education, but sex and gender education.

I would say that TERFs unite groups in hatred but then I remembered that most people don't support trans rights.

Well, I would like to say that it isn't true but I'm myself quite passive on this subject as I have more or less adopted a philosophy of "Do the fuck you want as long as it's ain't infringing on my own rights and you're neither hurting people nor the State in the process."

Because the innocent State doesn't deserve to be hurt?

[Chessmistress]

Are you saying that in France the right is for decriminalising prostitution, more or less like the proposal of Amnesty International, when instead the socialists are for criminalisation of purchasers?

A little more search made me aware that the "délit" of "Racolage Passif" was indeed abolished and that purchaser have been fully criminalized.

When it happened?
Just only an year ago the full criminalisation of purchasers was rejected.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Family history too.

Can definitely speak for that from experience. Though I would also say, my father did seem to have a feeling of entitlement when it came to abuse. Where this stems from I can't really say, other than narcissism, but perhaps it has roots in a his deeper mental health issues?

A few things factor in. Mental health, drug abuse, economics... I'm not entirely sure if it applies to all women who abuse their partners, but in what I've seen and experience with an ex of mine who was an abusive asshat, it was family history. His father abused his mom. I think with him it was family history.

It could be the same with women who abuse their partners. But the sense of entitlement and how ''accepting'' society seems to be of it, for what I've seen, are two of the main factors.

[The Serbian Empire]

Most people agree with the TERFs as a result. I don't think transgender people will ever get their rights as long as the biology=gender mindset exists. We'd need to destroy the basis of genetic science to make trans rights a reality.

Or rather, educate people. Not just have sex education, but sex and gender education.

The teaching of gender starts long before the schooling process. It's strictly almost as if gender and biological sex are one to society and the same based on how parents clothe their children. You can't unteach something and tell the children that their entire life of how things are is a sham and not expect violent pushback. We'd need to prove gender and brain activity is hormonal and not genetic. The best way would also be the least ethical.

An experiment someday with artificial wombs where hormones levels are in three types. Estrogen with a spike of androgens after the sex has been determined, Male hormones with a spike of estrogen, and the control group. If my theory is correct, the altered wombs where things don't go quite right hormonally will result in transgender individuals thus destroying the belief that sex and gender are the same once and for all.

[Gauthier]

A bunch of women who want all men stripped of any authority and power raving against a bunch of men who want all women stripped of any authority and power. If this could be converted to electricity there'd be green energy until humanity's extinction.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

A bunch of women who want all men stripped of any authority and power raving against a bunch of men who want all women stripped of any authority and power. If this could be converted to electricity there'd be green energy until humanity's extinction.

I'm all for that. It's about all those two are good for. Renewable source of energy.

[Aelex]

When it happened?
Just only an year ago the full criminalisation of purchasers was rejected.

Don't get your hope to high. By 2020, we will probably have returned to what we had before because this law isn't only unanimously criticized but also only passed from a very little socialist majority. And given that the L.R will get to power in 2017 and will probably spent most of their quiquennat undoing everything (expect gay-marriage probably because it's something which can't be undone) the socialists did.
What sadden me is that Socialist not only did litteraly NOTHING good for France but that they actually managed to betray the workers and the most horrible exemple is that they managed to freaking make the Prud'homme become charged!
Those guy don't deserve the name of Socialist and I honestly won't even mind the fact that L.R will fuck up the little of legacy they will give us nor will most of the public opinion.

[Val Halla]

You know how much danger allowing prostitution if it isn't paid for puts the prostitutes in, right Chess?

[The Serbian Empire]

A bunch of women who want all men stripped of any authority and power raving against a bunch of men who want all women stripped of any authority and power. If this could be converted to electricity there'd be green energy until humanity's extinction.

It's a real shame that the radicals and their hatred toward each other can't be converted into actual electrical current.

[Galloism]

You know how much danger allowing prostitution if it isn't paid for puts the prostitutes in, right Chess?

What does this even mean?

[Val Halla]

You know how much danger allowing prostitution if it isn't paid for puts the prostitutes in, right Chess?

What does this even mean?

Statements about only prosecuting people who purchase it, which makes the purchaser try and get it... Without paying...

[Jute]

A bunch of women who want all men stripped of any authority and power raving against a bunch of men who want all women stripped of any authority and power. If this could be converted to electricity there'd be green energy until humanity's extinction.

Yeah, a good summary of a lot of posters here. Both are awful, especially if they are in any position of power to enforce anything like that or influence other people to start believing that themselves.

[Valyrian Freeholds]

What does this even mean?

Statements about only prosecuting people who purchase it, which makes the purchaser try and get it... Without paying...

Yep, rape would happen a lot more.

[Gauthier]

Statements about only prosecuting people who purchase it, which makes the purchaser try and get it... Without paying...

Yep, rape would happen a lot more.

Eaxctly like how fundies want abortion banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing unwanted pregnancies for women who cannot afford to raise a child. Anyone pushing for the Nordic Model just want prostitution banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing socio-economic inequalities that may make people turn to prostitution for financial survival.

[Valystria]

A little more search made me aware that the "délit" of "Racolage Passif" was indeed abolished and that purchaser have been fully criminalized.

When it happened?
Just only an year ago the full criminalisation of purchasers was rejected.

Stop ignoring posts you don't want to answer.

Convention of Istanbul is about domestic violence and gender violence: it defines gender violence as a thing perpetrated by males against women.
It doesn't show an imaginary power of Feminism, it's just a first, little, step to narrow the gap of power between males and women.

And you didn't answer the question at all. You said what the Convention of Istanbul is about. You didn't answer how "If feminists lack power then how can they get things like the Convention of Istanbul passed?

[Jute]

Yep, rape would happen a lot more.

Eaxctly like how fundies want abortion banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing unwanted pregnancies for women who cannot afford to raise a child. Anyone pushing for the Nordic Model just want prostitution banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing socio-economic inequalities that may make people turn to prostitution for financial survival.

People pushing for the Nordic Model want prostitution banned?

[Gauthier]

Eaxctly like how fundies want abortion banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing unwanted pregnancies for women who cannot afford to raise a child. Anyone pushing for the Nordic Model just want prostitution banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing socio-economic inequalities that may make people turn to prostitution for financial survival.

People pushing for the Nordic Model want prostitution banned?

Criminalizing the purchase of sex service is a backdoor ban.

[Galloism]

Eaxctly like how fundies want abortion banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing unwanted pregnancies for women who cannot afford to raise a child. Anyone pushing for the Nordic Model just want prostitution banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing socio-economic inequalities that may make people turn to prostitution for financial survival.

People pushing for the Nordic Model want prostitution banned?

Essentially yes.

[Val Halla]

People pushing for the Nordic Model want prostitution banned?

Criminalizing the purchase of sex service is a backdoor ban.

But it leads to, as I've mentioned, people trying to get sex without paying, leaving any prostitute vulnerable.

[Geilinor]

Eaxctly like how fundies want abortion banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing unwanted pregnancies for women who cannot afford to raise a child. Anyone pushing for the Nordic Model just want prostitution banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing socio-economic inequalities that may make people turn to prostitution for financial survival.

People pushing for the Nordic Model want prostitution banned?

Not the economic Nordic Model.

[Valystria]

Eaxctly like how fundies want abortion banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing unwanted pregnancies for women who cannot afford to raise a child. Anyone pushing for the Nordic Model just want prostitution banned but couldn't give a shit about preventing socio-economic inequalities that may make people turn to prostitution for financial survival.

People pushing for the Nordic Model want prostitution banned?

By making paying for sex illegal.