The NationStates Feminist Thread

[The Alexanderians]

That's not what toxic masculinity means!

"Toxic masculinity" = cultural tendencies encouraging men to repress their emotions and treat others in a harsh, domineering way.

The term was originally coined to refer to the prison environment in America's male prisons. That environment is pretty extreme, partly due to being made up of actual, literal criminals. Feminists appropriated it to refer to things on the outside.

It should not be surprising in the least that it would be further twisted into a boo word for "any parts of masculinity we personally don't like."

Quite frankly, until I hear a feminist use the term "toxic femininity" unironically, I'm going to treat "toxic masculinity" as just a political buzzword.

To Chess's credit (God what did I just say?) I haven't it used either in it's prison meaning or it's original feminist meaning in a very long time mostly now it's just used to target anything someone doesn't like about perceived male behavior.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

What makes sexual services so very different from being a bricklayer? Both are physical labour, both risk injuries.

You can't craft a house out of blowjobs.

Nah, but we can try.

[Vashtanaraada]

You can't craft a house out of blowjobs.

Nah, but we can try.

You can blow a bricklayer and get a house for enough blows.
Bricklayer can build enough houses and get blown for that.

Prozzy has house, bricklayer has bj. Everybody happy.
Welcome to economics.

[Hirota]

What makes sexual services so very different from being a bricklayer? Both are physical labour, both risk injuries.

You can't craft a house out of blowjobs.

If you can build a city out of rock n roll, then you jolly well can build a single house out of blowjobs.

[The Black Forrest]

What makes sexual services so very different from being a bricklayer? Both are physical labour, both risk injuries.

You can't craft a house out of blowjobs.

I am sure the bricklayers will be willing afterwards.

[The Alexanderians]

You can't craft a house out of blowjobs.

I am sure the bricklayers will be willing afterwards.

Went into minecraft and renamed wood to "blowjobs". Congrats people we did it.

[Gauthier]

I am sure the bricklayers will be willing afterwards.

Went into minecraft and renamed wood to "blowjobs". Congrats people we did it.

And the story of the Three Little Pigs will never be the same...

[Byrrazan]

So here is a post for female supremacists to discuss their opinions/experiences on things regarding female supremacy and their reasons for being a female supremacist. I am personally a transgender woman. I view the female gender as a more accepting, open minded, physically superior, privileged to clothing options, and a more powerful gender over time. I would not mind a matriarchy being established worldwide as long as the world views me as a true woman and not a man because of my physical features, but my identity and mentality. So female supremacists of NSG, feel free to let me know about your reasons, and share your opinions.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is a political buzzword.

If you're talking about prison culture, I can see how it would fit, but it doesn't belong in many other discussions.

No, it's real, and it's an issue

http://feministing.com/2010/12/16/makin ... sculinity/

http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5- ... women.html


These two articles are very recent:

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/24/study_m ... hreatened/

There is a way out of this trap of fearful toxic masculinity: Men need to recognize their socialized desire to overcompensate as it’s happening, then shut it down.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/male-ov ... t-violent/

Male overcompensation is toxic even when it’s not violent

And, of course, Radical Feminism treat it in a different perspective:
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2013/08/ ... hy-cancer/
"Masculinity" and "femininity" concepts should be erased.

You used cracked.com and rawstory.com as a source?!

I came here to see what was up, but I found out that you just descended into being much worse than before. Enjoy your delusional rants with them. I'm out.

[Luminesa]

I am sure the bricklayers will be willing afterwards.

Went into minecraft and renamed wood to "blowjobs". Congrats people we did it.

I walk in here to see what kinda feminist topics ya'll are talking about...
and THIS is what I walk in on...

Okay...!

[Haktiva]

Some content about a little good that's come out of Feminism courtesy of Sargon of Akkad

[Tahar Joblis]

Some content about a little good that's come out of Feminism courtesy of Sargon of Akkad

I have seen so many of those articles being shared by women about being unable to find men to date or marry ...

... and every single one of them blithely washes right over the sexism inherent in the selection criteria used to determine what a "dateable" or "marriageable" man is, as opposed to a woman. Like right here:

For every 100 never married women between the ages of 25 and 34, there are just 91 employed and never-married men the same age. Where once America had a surplus of working single men, now it has a shortage.*

It's really weird to compare the number of never-married women to the number of never married and employed men. It's deeply sexist.

It's also one of those really fucking weird ways for feminists to frame men's problems as being really women's problems. The fact that men are falling behind in college education is a real problem. It's a problem for men. But there's more discussion of the shortage of college educated men as a women's problem ("hard to find eligible men to marry") instead of as the men's problem it is at root.

[Chessmistress]

So here is a post for female supremacists to discuss their opinions/experiences on things regarding female supremacy and their reasons for being a female supremacist. I am personally a transgender woman. I view the female gender as a more accepting, open minded, physically superior, privileged to clothing options, and a more powerful gender over time. I would not mind a matriarchy being established worldwide as long as the world views me as a true woman and not a man because of my physical features, but my identity and mentality. So female supremacists of NSG, feel free to let me know about your reasons, and share your opinions.

MisandristMantis never answered to me.
I'm not a female supremacist, I'm a Radical Feminist, but I don't think that in a female supremacy people born males would be allowed to define themselves women: that would be a major threat to a female supremacy.

Just imagine me, a woman, within a male supremacy, saying:

I am personally a transgender woman man. I view the female male gender as a more accepting, open minded, physically superior, privileged to clothing options, and a more powerful gender over time. I would not mind a matriarchy patriarchy being established worldwide as long as the world views me as a true woman man and not a man woman because of my physical features, but my identity and mentality.

Obiouvsly, males would laugh at my declaration, saying: "you're just a woman who pretend to be a male in order to get the privileges males have under our patriarchal empire".
I guess it would be the same, but reversed, under a matriarchy.

[Chessmistress]

Some content about a little good that's come out of Feminism courtesy of Sargon of Akkad

I have seen so many of those articles being shared by women about being unable to find men to date or marry ...

... and every single one of them blithely washes right over the sexism inherent in the selection criteria used to determine what a "dateable" or "marriageable" man is, as opposed to a woman. Like right here:

For every 100 never married women between the ages of 25 and 34, there are just 91 employed and never-married men the same age. Where once America had a surplus of working single men, now it has a shortage.*

It's really weird to compare the number of never-married women to the number of never married and employed men. It's deeply sexist.

It's also one of those really fucking weird ways for feminists to frame men's problems as being really women's problems. The fact that men are falling behind in college education is a real problem. It's a problem for men. But there's more discussion of the shortage of college educated men as a women's problem ("hard to find eligible men to marry") instead of as the men's problem it is at root.

For the very first time I have to agree with you: males performing bad in colleges is a problem for males, and framing it as a problem for us it's really narcissistic, unfair, wrong.
I also find really sexist comparing "women" with "employed males": a fair comparison would be between "employed women" and "employed males". My former boyfriend always said that he would have never dated (dated not married) a woman without a job or not living alone or without a car: he said he would have viewed her as a child, or at least childish.
Personally, I have always find this reasoning very charming, and very Feminist, even if he was quite the opposite.

These people are not Feminists: these people are tradcons.

[Hirota]

I've not read the full study, but reason.org has.

"People Who Watch Porn Hold More Feminist Views"

Obviously one study doesn't prove anything, but I think an actual study with a half-decent methodology is significantly more compelling than the baseless claims we see from some feminists.

[Haktiva]

Some content about a little good that's come out of Feminism courtesy of Sargon of Akkad

I have seen so many of those articles being shared by women about being unable to find men to date or marry ...

... and every single one of them blithely washes right over the sexism inherent in the selection criteria used to determine what a "dateable" or "marriageable" man is, as opposed to a woman. Like right here:

For every 100 never married women between the ages of 25 and 34, there are just 91 employed and never-married men the same age. Where once America had a surplus of working single men, now it has a shortage.*

It's really weird to compare the number of never-married women to the number of never married and employed men. It's deeply sexist.

It's also one of those really fucking weird ways for feminists to frame men's problems as being really women's problems. The fact that men are falling behind in college education is a real problem. It's a problem for men. But there's more discussion of the shortage of college educated men as a women's problem ("hard to find eligible men to marry") instead of as the men's problem it is at root.

That's just gynocentrism manifesting itself. It's only really a problem if it effects women.

[Chessmistress]

I have seen so many of those articles being shared by women about being unable to find men to date or marry ...

... and every single one of them blithely washes right over the sexism inherent in the selection criteria used to determine what a "dateable" or "marriageable" man is, as opposed to a woman. Like right here:


It's really weird to compare the number of never-married women to the number of never married and employed men. It's deeply sexist.

It's also one of those really fucking weird ways for feminists to frame men's problems as being really women's problems. The fact that men are falling behind in college education is a real problem. It's a problem for men. But there's more discussion of the shortage of college educated men as a women's problem ("hard to find eligible men to marry") instead of as the men's problem it is at root.

That's just gynocentrism manifesting itself. It's only really a problem if it effects women.

Why women should care so much if there aren't "marriageable" males?
I do not oppose marriage, sometimes it can be a good thing for a woman, but I think it's an optional, women doesn't need marriage to fullfill our lives.
When there aren't "marriageable" males: don't marry, what's the matter?
As said, these are tradcons, not Feminists.

[Zottistan]

I've not read the full study, but reason.org has.

"People Who Watch Porn Hold More Feminist Views"

Obviously one study doesn't prove anything, but I think an actual study with a half-decent methodology is significantly more compelling than the baseless claims we see from some feminists.

I'd imagine people who don't watch porn are more likely to be prudish conservatives.

[Chessmistress]

I've not read the full study, but reason.org has.

"People Who Watch Porn Hold More Feminist Views"

Obviously one study doesn't prove anything, but I think an actual study with a half-decent methodology is significantly more compelling than the baseless claims we see from some feminists.

I'd imagine people who don't watch porn are more likely to be prudish conservatives.

I'd imagine prudish conservatives are the ones who watch more porn (strictly heterosexual kind, of course), but they'll never admit it.

[Kvatchdom]

I'd imagine people who don't watch porn are more likely to be prudish conservatives.

I'd imagine prudish conservatives are the ones who watch more porn (strictly heterosexual kind, of course), but they'll never admit it.

Everyone watches porn. Everyone.

[Chessmistress]

I'd imagine prudish conservatives are the ones who watch more porn (strictly heterosexual kind, of course), but they'll never admit it.

Everyone watches porn. Everyone.

I don't think so.
I think that most people have watched porn once, just because it's widespread.
But I'm also pretty sure that most women, after seeing it, had rejected it.

[Kvatchdom]

Everyone watches porn. Everyone.

I don't think so.
I think that most people have watched porn once, just because it's widespread.
But I'm also pretty sure that most women, after seeing it, had rejected it.

Most women do in fact watch it. They just have to lie more about watching it.

[Chessmistress]

I don't think so.
I think that most people have watched porn once, just because it's widespread.
But I'm also pretty sure that most women, after seeing it, had rejected it.

Most women do in fact watch it. They just have to lie more about watching it.

Women don't lie about sexual matters and similar things ("porn" is not "sex" but has some similarities).

[Ashkera]

Women don't lie about sexual matters and similar things ("porn" is not "sex" but has some similarities).

Oh yes they bloody do. It's been found in conflicting surveys about womens' sexual habits. I believe they revealed much higher numbers of partners in private than they did in public, which is not at all surprising given the social pressures on women. (It would be like men lying about not being virgins to save face publicly.)

As for the number of porn viewers, the last time I dug into it, women were about 1/3rd of porn viewers, which lines up with women whose sexual habits I know of.

Plus my experience is that women aren't actually more or less truthful than men, and men aren't perfectly truthful about sex, so...

[Kvatchdom]

Most women do in fact watch it. They just have to lie more about watching it.

Women don't lie about sexual matters and similar things ("porn" is not "sex" but has some similarities).

Yes they do. The world's view on women enforces them to be pure of such things, so ofcourse they lie.