Turkey Votes 2015(Parliamentary elections)

[Purger]

Bad comparison, there is no ancient Roman around in the world that can claim anything.

There are plenty of modern Romans though. So, it's actually a very good comparisson; a modern Turk or any modern Balkan has as much legitimacy to claim other nations' lands as a modern Roman would have to claim the lands of the Roman Empire.
Stop vewing the real world as if it was some game made by Paradox and start respecting (1)national borders, (2)the right to self-determination, (3)your credibility as a poster.

You seem not to be realising what I actually want to say with my statements.

[Camelza]

There are plenty of modern Romans though. So, it's actually a very good comparisson; a modern Turk or any modern Balkan has as much legitimacy to claim other nations' lands as a modern Roman would have to claim the lands of the Roman Empire.
Stop vewing the real world as if it was some game made by Paradox and start respecting (1)national borders, (2)the right to self-determination, (3)your credibility as a poster.

You seem not to be realising what I actually want to say with my statements.

What do you actually want to say with your statements then? Because up until now you're advocating for forcefully incorporating regions populated by people into nations currently irrelevant with those regions for the shake of historical justice, which is a joke by itself.

[Purger]

You seem not to be realising what I actually want to say with my statements.

What do you actually want to say with your statements then? Because up until now you're advocating for forcefully incorporating regions populated by people into nations currently irrelevant with those regions for the shake of historical justice, which is a joke by itself.

Ok, I woud say you but than I would probably be reported by the mods. So, it is better to keep my meaning between the lines.

[Camelza]

What do you actually want to say with your statements then? Because up until now you're advocating for forcefully incorporating regions populated by people into nations currently irrelevant with those regions for the shake of historical justice, which is a joke by itself.

Ok, I woud say you but than I would probably be reported by the mods. So, it is better to keep my meaning between the lines.

This is not a proper reaction to a question, but suit yourself.

[Vistulange]

So far, the CHP and the HDP have ruled out coalitions with the AKP, but, as always, the MHP is silent.

I'm sure their excuse will be "for the integrity of the state and for the continuation of [economic] stability". I'd like to see the faces of the MHP voters who called HDP supporters traitors in the event that they form a coalition with the AKP.

[Greed and Death]

Endrogen canceled the election results.

[Vistulange]

Endrogen canceled the election results.

No such news on Hürriyet or Milliyet, for now. Source?

[Geilinor]

Endrogen canceled the election results.

No such news on Hürriyet or Milliyet, for now. Source?

It's Greed and Death. If he posts something without a source, he's making it up.

[Britanno 2]

HDP all the way.

[Empire of Narnia]

He should have listened to me and rigged it.

[Shrillland]

HDP all the way.

Election's already over. Don't worry, we'll be back here within a year.

[Purger]

Anyway, back to the topic of Turkey. The newest demographic statistic of Turkey (of the year 2014).

The highest crude birth rate was in Şanlıurfa with 34.2 per thousand

When the crude birth rate was examined by provinces, in 2014 the province having the highest crude birth rate was Şanlıurfa with 34.2 per thousand. Şırnak with 30.8 per thousand, Ağrı with 30.0 per thousand and Muş with 28.6 per thousand followed the province of Şanlıurfa. The province having the lowest crude birth rate was Edirne with 10.1 per thousand. Kastamonu with 10.6 per thousand, Karabük with 10.7 per thousand, Çanakkale and Kırklareli with 10.8 per thousand followed the province of Edirne.

http://www.turkstat.gov.tr/PreHaberBult ... o?id=18621

Note the difference of baby born between the western parts of Turkey and south eastern parts of Turkey (the parts inhabitated by Kurds). It seem in 20 years there will be about 30 million Kurds living in Turkey, and in some distant future Kurds may make up majority of Turkey.

This is also indicative:
2011. Indepedent (de facto HDP) 6,57%
2015 HDP 12,97% according to this site: http://secim.bugun.com.tr/secim

The vote of the pro-kurdish party has doubled, but a lot of Kurds voted for AKP because Erdogan has given them some political concessions. This shows has the Kurds are having an extraordinary demography.

[Purger]

Ok, I woud say you but than I would probably be reported by the mods. So, it is better to keep my meaning between the lines.

This is not a proper reaction to a question, but suit yourself.

Just ignore me, ok?

[Geilinor]

I can't think of another country with so much regional variation in the fertility rate. That's interesting.

[Purger]

I can't think of another country with so much regional variation in the fertility rate. That's interesting.

The South Eastern part is inhabitated by Kurds and that the region with the most ferility rate. There is the case of Macedonia, where Albanians are making up 40% of kids while they are only 25% of the overall population. But even that is nothing compare to the differences of Kurds and Turks. I have heard even now Kurds make up about 10% of Istanbul, but have to find a confirmation first.

[Vistulange]

Anyway, back to the topic of Turkey. The newest demographic statistic of Turkey (of the year 2014).

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The highest crude birth rate was in Şanlıurfa with 34.2 per thousand

When the crude birth rate was examined by provinces, in 2014 the province having the highest crude birth rate was Şanlıurfa with 34.2 per thousand. Şırnak with 30.8 per thousand, Ağrı with 30.0 per thousand and Muş with 28.6 per thousand followed the province of Şanlıurfa. The province having the lowest crude birth rate was Edirne with 10.1 per thousand. Kastamonu with 10.6 per thousand, Karabük with 10.7 per thousand, Çanakkale and Kırklareli with 10.8 per thousand followed the province of Edirne.

http://www.turkstat.gov.tr/PreHaberBult ... o?id=18621

Note the difference of baby born between the western parts of Turkey and south eastern parts of Turkey (the parts inhabitated by Kurds). It seem in 20 years there will be about 30 million Kurds living in Turkey, and in some distant future Kurds may make up majority of Turkey.

This is also indicative:
2011. Indepedent (de facto HDP) 6,57%
2015 HDP 12,97% according to this site: http://secim.bugun.com.tr/secim

The vote of the pro-kurdish party has doubled, but a lot of Kurds voted for AKP because Erdogan has given them some political concessions. This shows has the Kurds are having a extraordinary demography.

It is a terrible mistake to treat the BDP of 2011 the same as the HDP of 2015. While the BDP (as it was named at the time) was one of the traditional pro-Kurdish parties in the same vein as the HADEP, DEHAP and DTP, the HDP was much more encompassing and garnered many votes from not just ethnic Kurds, but western Turks as well due to their leftist and humanist approach. This is why I actually dislike the BBC labelling the HDP as "pro-Kurdish". Yes, they are pro-Kurdish, but that is no longer their primary attribute. They have become much more than a party for only Kurdish interests, as its previous 'iterations' had been.

The HDP themselves have acknowledged that they had a large proportion of "trustee votes". This means that around 4 or 5 percent of HDP's votes are from other parties, with the previously-AKP voting Kurds voting HDP as they are entering as a party making up roughly 2.5-3% and the previously-CHP voting Turks voting HDP to help them cross the threshold making up the remainder.

So no, attributing the HDP's gains solely to the Kurdish population and their demographics is false. If that had been true, they would have had no problem in the 2011 general elections as a party, either.

[Purger]

It is a terrible mistake to treat the BDP of 2011 the same as the HDP of 2015. While the BDP (as it was named at the time) was one of the traditional pro-Kurdish parties in the same vein as the HADEP, DEHAP and DTP, the HDP was much more encompassing and garnered many votes from not just ethnic Kurds, but western Turks as well due to their leftist and humanist approach. This is why I actually dislike the BBC labelling the HDP as "pro-Kurdish". Yes, they are pro-Kurdish, but that is no longer their primary attribute. They have become much more than a party for only Kurdish interests, as its previous 'iterations' had been.

The HDP themselves have acknowledged that they had a large proportion of "trustee votes". This means that around 4 or 5 percent of HDP's votes are from other parties, with the previously-AKP voting Kurds voting HDP as they are entering as a party making up roughly 2.5-3% and the previously-CHP voting Turks voting HDP to help them cross the threshold making up the remainder.

So no, attributing the HDP's gains solely to the Kurdish population and their demographics is false. If that had been true, they would have had no problem in the 2011 general elections as a party, either.

Ok, this may be true. It seems more plausible to me that some former (kurdish) AKP voters turned to HDP. But what is with this kurdish demographics? I mean acoording to this data an average Kurds has 3-4 more kids than the average Turk. And are there really a lot of Kurds living in Istanbul?

[Vistulange]

It is a terrible mistake to treat the BDP of 2011 the same as the HDP of 2015. While the BDP (as it was named at the time) was one of the traditional pro-Kurdish parties in the same vein as the HADEP, DEHAP and DTP, the HDP was much more encompassing and garnered many votes from not just ethnic Kurds, but western Turks as well due to their leftist and humanist approach. This is why I actually dislike the BBC labelling the HDP as "pro-Kurdish". Yes, they are pro-Kurdish, but that is no longer their primary attribute. They have become much more than a party for only Kurdish interests, as its previous 'iterations' had been.

The HDP themselves have acknowledged that they had a large proportion of "trustee votes". This means that around 4 or 5 percent of HDP's votes are from other parties, with the previously-AKP voting Kurds voting HDP as they are entering as a party making up roughly 2.5-3% and the previously-CHP voting Turks voting HDP to help them cross the threshold making up the remainder.

So no, attributing the HDP's gains solely to the Kurdish population and their demographics is false. If that had been true, they would have had no problem in the 2011 general elections as a party, either.

Ok, this may be true. It seems more plausible to me that some former (kurdish) AKP voters turned to HDP. But what is with this kurdish demographics? I mean acoording to this data an average Kurds has 3-4 more kids than the average Turk. And are there really a lot of Kurds living in Istanbul?

Generally, as poverty levels rise and education levels drop, birth rates rise in Turkey. This can be attributed to rural areas requiring more manpower for work. And we are talking about a minority that is around 25-30 percent of our population. Of course there are lots of Kurds living in Istanbul.

[Purger]

Generally, as poverty levels rise and education levels drop, birth rates rise in Turkey. This can be attributed to rural areas requiring more manpower for work. And we are talking about a minority that is around 25-30 percent of our population. Of course there are lots of Kurds living in Istanbul.

Similar is happening to the West. Immigrants from Northern Africa are making about 10% of population of France since they also have more kids than the native one. They also explained this due that immigrants were coming from rural areas and with education their demography will eventualy fall. But they were wrong and now cases like Charlie Hebdo occured.

It seems that Kurds might revolt in Turkey when they have enough manpower among the population. Considering Turkey is sourounded by Iraqi Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan, they would have a lot help from them. But probably the Kurds will start with demanding kurdish as official language or some kind autonomus republic within Turkey.

[Vistulange]

Generally, as poverty levels rise and education levels drop, birth rates rise in Turkey. This can be attributed to rural areas requiring more manpower for work. And we are talking about a minority that is around 25-30 percent of our population. Of course there are lots of Kurds living in Istanbul.

Similar is happening to the West. Immigrants from Northern Africa are making about 10% of population of France since they also have more kids than the native one. They also explained this due that immigrants were coming from rural areas and with education their demography will eventualy fall. But they were wrong and now cases like Charlie Hebdo occured.

It seems that Kurds might revolt in Turkey when they have enough manpower among the population. Considering Turkey is sourounded by Iraqi Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan, they would have a lot help from them. But probably the Kurds will start with demanding kurdish as official language or some kind autonomus republic within Turkey.

...do you completely ignore history?

Kurds might revolt?

What the fuck have they been doing for the last thirty years?

[Purger]

...do you completely ignore history?

Kurds might revolt?

What the fuck have they been doing for the last thirty years?

I am not saying they will 100% but theoretically yes.

Anyway 97% counted votes.

AKP - 40,63%
CHP - 25,29%
MHP - 16,53%
HDP - 12,85%

[Vistulange]

...do you completely ignore history?

Kurds might revolt?

What the fuck have they been doing for the last thirty years?

I am not saying they will 100% but theoretically yes.

Anyway 97% counted votes.

AKP - 40,63%
CHP - 25,29%
MHP - 16,53%
HDP - 12,85%

I'm starting to think you're just posting for the sake of having posted. The results I posted are from the Anatolian Agency with around 99.98% of the votes counted. The YSK will probably declare the official results in one or two days.

[Purger]

I'm starting to think you're just posting for the sake of having posted. The results I posted are from the Anatolian Agency with around 99.98% of the votes counted. The YSK will probably declare the official results in one or two days.

Sorry, I did not see that you posted already the results.

[Conserative Morality]

These results make me exceptionally happy. Best of luck to the HDP in particular, but mostly, just a toast to an AK/Erdogan defeat!

[Godular]

I believe a 'Frabjous day! Calloo callay!' is in order.