Turkey Votes 2015(Parliamentary elections)

[Aarnonia]

Still, they're fourth party in Istanbul, which is something I wished for for a long time.

Who is?

MHP; HDP has more votes in Istanbul

[Ashworth-Attwater]

"Turkey's old borders"? What the fuck? If anything, the Greeks should be allowed and encouraged to move back to their homelands in Constantinople/Istanbul, Smyrna/Izmir, Trabazond, Pontus, Cappadocia, Aegean Turkey, etc.

oh don't you start...

[Anollasia]

Who is?

MHP; HDP has more votes in Istanbul

They also have a lot of votes in Izmir, which is probably one factor in them passing 10%.

[Aarnonia]

MHP; HDP has more votes in Istanbul

They also have a lot of votes in Izmir, which is probably one factor in them passing 10%.

HDP is the only party that is acting sensibly, figures that they get votes

[Vistulange]

Poll update as of 22:10 (GMT+2):

AKP: 40,88% (259 seats)
CHP: 25,16% (131 seats)
MHP: 16,46% (82 seats)
HDP: 12,75% (78 seats)

(AA)

Early elections are a possibility, as are a multitude of coalitions.

[Angleter]

Not so odd, when you consider the Kurdish votes in the East and Southeast.

But going from AKP to HDP?

Conservative Kurds putting their Kurdish side before their conservative side, perhaps?

[Camelza]

If anything, the Greeks should be allowed and encouraged to move back to their homelands in Constantinople/Istanbul, Smyrna/Izmir, Trabazond, Pontus, Cappadocia, Aegean Turkey, etc. And the Greeks should at least get Eastern Thrace and Pontus back; or perhaps Greece and Turkey should go back to the old borders of Greece (which included the Aegean coast).

No, thanks.

[Cyrisnia]

Armenian genocide totally didn't happen though. Seriously!

"Turkey's old borders"? What the fuck? If anything, the Greeks should be allowed and encouraged to move back to their homelands in Constantinople/Istanbul, Smyrna/Izmir, Trabazond, Pontus, Cappadocia, Aegean Turkey, etc. And the Greeks should at least get Eastern Thrace and Pontus back; or perhaps Greece and Turkey should go back to the old borders of Greece (which included the Aegean coast).

I hope the CHP and HDP can form a coalition and form a government. Perhaps all of the opposition parties could join together and form a coaltion. Additionally; Turkey desperately needs to join the EU to prevent the further Islamisation of Turkey's secular state. I hope the CHP and other parties would be in support of that.

Its simple, ways like this can fix the problems in Ukraine.
Simple!
1. Cede ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine to Russia. Including Crimea.
2. Part of Crimea gains autonomy, this is for the Tartars.
3. Poland gains Lwów back.
4. To make up for losses, Ukraine gets part of Romanian coast to use.
5. To make up for that, Romania gains Moldova.
7. Everyone wins! Except Moldova. And the number 6.

[Baltenstein]

Poll update as of 22:10 (GMT+2):

AKP: 40,88% (259 seats)
CHP: 25,16% (131 seats)
MHP: 16,46% (82 seats)
HDP: 12,75% (78 seats)

[Etha]

"Turkey's old borders"? What the fuck? If anything, the Greeks should be allowed and encouraged to move back to their homelands in Constantinople/Istanbul, Smyrna/Izmir, Trabazond, Pontus, Cappadocia, Aegean Turkey, etc. And the Greeks should at least get Eastern Thrace and Pontus back; or perhaps Greece and Turkey should go back to the old borders of Greece (which included the Aegean coast).

I hope the CHP and HDP can form a coalition and form a government. Perhaps all of the opposition parties could join together and form a coaltion. Additionally; Turkey desperately needs to join the EU to prevent the further Islamisation of Turkey's secular state. I hope the CHP and other parties would be in support of that.

Its simple, ways like this can fix the problems in Ukraine.
Simple!
1. Cede ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine to Russia. Including Crimea.
2. Part of Crimea gains autonomy, this is for the Tartars.
3. Poland gains Lwów back.
4. To make up for losses, Ukraine gets part of Romanian coast to use.
5. To make up for that, Romania gains Moldova.
7. Everyone wins! Except Moldova. And the number 6.

And where does Hungary come out in all this? Do they get that part of Western Ukraine or those Stolen lands that Romania has west of the mountains?

[Baltenstein]

I just heard that people are talking about a possible AKP-MHP government coalition?

This better not be true...

[Vistulange]

Almost all the ballot boxes have been counted and the results are as follows. I will update the post as necessary.

10% national threshold to enter the Grand National Assembly
276 seats needed to form government
330 seats needed to put constitutional amendment to referendum
367 seats needed to amend the constitution without referendum

Justice and Development Party (AKP): 40.81%; 258 out of 550 seats.
Republican People's Party (CHP): 25.13%; 132 out of 550 seats.
Nationalist Movement Party (MHP): 16.42%; 82 out of 550 seats.
Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP): 12.87%; 78 out of 550 seats.

As it stands, no party can form a government on their own if we do not count minority governments. Problem with that part is, the 13-year government of the AKP has consistently and constantly demonized the other parties to its own electorate under then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. As such, the AKP would have a very difficult time partnering with those they were running into the ground up until today for 13 years.

However, we cannot forget the unethical moves by the government and President Erdoğan and can (and as a Turk, I certainly do) expect more violations of both law and ethics. Allow me to remind the population of NSG that the President of Turkey is an officially non-partisan position and is traditionally ceremonial, and the elected President takes an oath upon taking office that he will be "non-partisan, objective and neutral" in regards to politics. President Erdoğan has repeatedly violated his own oath of honour, and it is easily expected that he will follow up with more.

What do I mean? Erdoğan could - controversially - arrange a transfer of MP's from the MHP or CHP to the AKP in return for the defecting MP's becoming ministers. This has happened before in Turkish politics, before the 12 September 1980 coup d'etat. This would be highly controversial and I'm pretty certain it won't happen.

The HDP is very well aware that it has a considerable mass of "trustee votes" from the CHP electorate. As the HDP comes from a line of traditionally Kurdish ethnic parties, it is reasonable that a large portion of Turkey's population do not trust their intention, such as myself. However, Demirtaş gambled for this one and he won. Whether he is serious about being a true progressive voice for Turkey's future or his party still only has the Kurdish and Southeastern Region in mind, we will see in the upcoming days.

While the CHP has only won approximately 25% of the popular vote, it must be kept in mind that around 4-5% of the CHP votes went to the HDP as "trustee votes", allowing them to cross the election threshold. Thus, the CHP should actually be considered around 30%, a considerable increase considering their previous lethargy and the presidential election disaster. Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu's (CHP leader) new approach most certainly helped. Instead of attacking the government and crying "secularism" and "regime", he proposed sensible projects and made logical promises to the electorate, with a focus on the economy.

The MHP has done exactly as I expected. When the conservative party in power loses popularity, opinion polls consistently show the MHP in the 15%-22% band, while the party is consistently voted 15%-17%, as seen again with this election. They will likely be the last choice of any coalition, except maybe the AKP.

The AKP is certainly the party which was defeated as a result of this election. While having received the plurality of votes, they have lost their previous 312 seats, falling down to 259 - from a very comfortable majority government to a potential coalition, one which is unlikely to survive past 12 months. Former Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan no longer being a member of the party is most certainly a factor, as Prof. Ahmet Davutoğlu simply does not command the charisma and does not have the effective style of speech that Erdoğan has. Regardless, President Erdoğan's semi-partisan election rallies should have mitigated this somewhat. I personally see this as a failure of the AKP as they have not emphasized their already weak economic claims, but have pushed Erdoğan's "executive presidency" vision instead. Failing to appeal to the primary voter base for the AKP, this was one of the factors that caused the massive drop from the 2011 election of 49.83% to the current 40.87%.

As for the leaders' reactions...

Selahattin Demirtaş, co-chair of the HDP, has stated that "this was a victory for the left, for democracy and for Turkey". He has stated that the HDP had become a "party of Turkey", implying that the HDP is no longer a party that only covered Kurdish interests.

Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, CHP leader, spoke rather briefly with a rather tearful and happy voice, proclaiming "a victory for democracy and a victory for Turkey". Haluk Koç, spokesman for the CHP, has stated that there was no reason for Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu to resign, instead claiming that "the ones who should resign are the ones preparing for a speech, but will not have the face to look out the window".

[Geilinor]

I just heard that people are talking about a possible AKP-MHP government coalition?

This better not be true...

I doubt it, I don't think they like the AKP. As Vistulange posted, the AKP has "demonized the other parties" too much.

[Roosevelt and Truman]

The CHP has a pragmatic platform that I endorse. Anyways, Erdogan's party needs to be voted out of power in the next election for the sake of secularism, democracy, and good government.

[Vistulange]

The CHP has a pragmatic platform that I endorse. Anyways, Erdogan's party needs to be voted out of power in the next election for the sake of secularism, democracy, and good government.

I posted the (approximate) results just above.

[Aarnonia]

Realistically speaking, these are the best results we could get. A direct hit won't take them out, we need to do it over time. Hopefully next time we'll see them down to around 35. It's going to take time to take these Islamist murderers and corrupt thieves out of power.

[Calimera II]

Realistically speaking, these are the best results we could get. A direct hit won't take them out, we need to do it over time. Hopefully next time we'll see them down to around 35. It's going to take time to take these Islamist murderers and corrupt thieves out of power.

''Islamist murderers'' is slightly exaggerated.

[Aarnonia]

Realistically speaking, these are the best results we could get. A direct hit won't take them out, we need to do it over time. Hopefully next time we'll see them down to around 35. It's going to take time to take these Islamist murderers and corrupt thieves out of power.

''Islamist murderers'' is slightly exaggerated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkin_Elvan
I don't think so

[Calimera II]

''Islamist murderers'' is slightly exaggerated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkin_Elvan
I don't think so

Erdogan killed him, is that what you think?

[Aarnonia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkin_Elvan
I don't think so

Erdogan killed him, is that what you think?

Calling him a terrorist is bad enough. The kid was buying bread.

Plus, the cops are working for him.

[Calimera II]

Erdogan killed him, is that what you think?

Calling him a terrorist is bad enough. The kid was buying bread.

Plus, the cops are working for him.

If a cop kills someone it doesn't mean the government killed that person.

[Aarnonia]

Calling him a terrorist is bad enough. The kid was buying bread.

Plus, the cops are working for him.

If a cop kills someone it doesn't mean the government killed that person.

Say what you will, I lived through the crap that happened. Any onlooker could say who was to blame. I'm not saying that they were planning to kill him, but they did, and that's what matters, no?

[Vistulange]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkin_Elvan
I don't think so

Erdogan killed him, is that what you think?

He did say the following concerning the matter: "I gave the order myself."

Make of it what you will. I will assume you support the AKP, then?

[Geilinor]

Erdogan killed him, is that what you think?

He did say the following concerning the matter: "I gave the order myself."

The order to hit him on the head with a tear gas canister? That sounds awfully specific.

[Vistulange]

He did say the following concerning the matter: "I gave the order myself."

The order to hit him on the head with a tear gas canister? That sounds awfully specific.

No, not precisely. About the police using unnecessary force.

Also, with the results, I say: Victory!

We will judge them and we will condemn them for the crimes they have committed against the people and state of Turkey. When his term ends, Erdoğan will be judged and condemned as well.

I am very much against the death penalty...but I can make an exception. Just this once. Only once. Solely for one single person on this Earth.