Well, that much is obvious. But spoiling your ballot still counts as turnout.
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by Steamtopia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:33 am

by Vistulange » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:35 am
Anollasia wrote:Vistulange wrote:Rigging wouldn't exactly boost turnout. Even if it did, it wouldn't lower AKP votes.
AKP voters generally vote consistently. It's the opposition that fails to vote, most of the time. That's why the AKP regularly polls (polled?) around 21 million votes, regardless of percentage.
Er, yes. The penalty for not voting is 10,000 liras ($3,759).
http://www.trtturk.com/haber/oy-vermeme ... 34536.html (Turkish)
Did they punish the 25% that didn't vote in the presidential elections?

by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:35 am

by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:36 am
Anollasia wrote:Vistulange wrote:Rigging wouldn't exactly boost turnout. Even if it did, it wouldn't lower AKP votes.
AKP voters generally vote consistently. It's the opposition that fails to vote, most of the time. That's why the AKP regularly polls (polled?) around 21 million votes, regardless of percentage.
Er, yes. The penalty for not voting is 10,000 liras ($3,759).
http://www.trtturk.com/haber/oy-vermeme ... 34536.html (Turkish)
Did they punish the 25% that didn't vote in the presidential elections?

by Vistulange » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:36 am

by British Empire Strikes Back » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:37 am
Baltenstein wrote:We shouldn't have stopped. We should burn down every shitty village and deport those filthy fucks straight to ISIS.
Armenian genocide totally didn't happen though. Seriously!Left-wing nationalim used to exist and it was not that rare in history. Usually I would support the MHP in this election since they would be in favour of restoring Turkeys old borders thus creating Natural Turkey.

by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:38 am


by Anollasia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:39 am
British Empire Strikes Back wrote:
"Turkey's old borders"? What the fuck? If anything, the Greeks should be allowed and encouraged to move back to their homelands in Constantinople/Istanbul, Smyrna/Izmir, Trabazond, Pontus, Cappadocia, Aegean Turkey, etc. And the Greeks should at least get Eastern Thrace and Pontus back; or perhaps Greece and Turkey should go back to the old borders of Greece (which included the Aegean coast).
I hope the CHP and HDP can form a coalition and form a government. Perhaps all of the opposition parties could join together and form a coaltion. Additionally; Turkey desperately needs to join the EU to prevent the further Islamisation of Turkey's secular state. I hope the CHP and other parties would be in support of that.


by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:39 am
British Empire Strikes Back wrote: Perhaps all of the opposition parties could join together and form a coaltion. Additionally; Turkey desperately needs to join the EU to prevent the further Islamisation of Turkey's secular state. I hope the CHP and other parties would be in support of that.

by British Empire Strikes Back » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:43 am
Anollasia wrote:British Empire Strikes Back wrote:
"Turkey's old borders"? What the fuck? If anything, the Greeks should be allowed and encouraged to move back to their homelands in Constantinople/Istanbul, Smyrna/Izmir, Trabazond, Pontus, Cappadocia, Aegean Turkey, etc. And the Greeks should at least get Eastern Thrace and Pontus back; or perhaps Greece and Turkey should go back to the old borders of Greece (which included the Aegean coast).
I hope the CHP and HDP can form a coalition and form a government. Perhaps all of the opposition parties could join together and form a coaltion. Additionally; Turkey desperately needs to join the EU to prevent the further Islamisation of Turkey's secular state. I hope the CHP and other parties would be in support of that.
I don't think borders should change but I don't see a problem with Greeks moving back in. I think diversity's a good thing.


by Vistulange » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:46 am

by Steamtopia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:47 am
Vistulange wrote:Let's not derail the thread, please, folks. Don't want mod intervention.
Time for another poll update. The political climate in Turkey is changing.
As of 20:46 (GMT+2):
Turnout: ~90%
AKP: 41,51% - 261 seats
CHP: 25,25% - 130 seats
MHP: 16,72% - 84 seats
HDP: 11,95% - 75 seats
(AA)

by Anollasia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:47 am
British Empire Strikes Back wrote:Anollasia wrote:
I don't think borders should change but I don't see a problem with Greeks moving back in. I think diversity's a good thing.
I doubt that the borders would change anyway. But I'm glad that we agree about Greeks moving back. I think diversity is a good thing too.
The Greeks and the Turks lived side-by-side for hundreds of years; why can't they do it again? The Greeks have a very rich culture; and when/of Turkey joins the EU, the Freedom of Movement would likely encourage some Greeks to move back to Turkey.

by Vistulange » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:50 am
Steamtopia wrote:Vistulange wrote:Let's not derail the thread, please, folks. Don't want mod intervention.
Time for another poll update. The political climate in Turkey is changing.
As of 20:46 (GMT+2):
Turnout: ~90%
AKP: 41,51% - 261 seats
CHP: 25,25% - 130 seats
MHP: 16,72% - 84 seats
HDP: 11,95% - 75 seats
(AA)
So far, it looks like a bunch of AKP seats went to HDP. How odd.

by Vistulange » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:55 am

by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:00 am
Vistulange wrote:Anollasia wrote:
Some people were smart and voted for HDP so they can get more than 10%.
They did good. While I wasn't one of them, I appreciate the HDP and their efforts. They are, no doubt, the party that deserves every vote they got, thanks to their effort. Congratulations to them. The winner of this election is no doubt the HDP and the people they represent.


by Shrillland » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:01 am
Aarnonia wrote:Vistulange wrote:
They did good. While I wasn't one of them, I appreciate the HDP and their efforts. They are, no doubt, the party that deserves every vote they got, thanks to their effort. Congratulations to them. The winner of this election is no doubt the HDP and the people they represent.
Well, only HDP won. AKP lost votes in all 81 provinces.

by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:02 am

by Anollasia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:07 am
Aarnonia wrote:Vistulange wrote:
They did good. While I wasn't one of them, I appreciate the HDP and their efforts. They are, no doubt, the party that deserves every vote they got, thanks to their effort. Congratulations to them. The winner of this election is no doubt the HDP and the people they represent.
Well, only HDP won. AKP lost votes in all 81 provinces.

by Aarnonia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:09 am
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