Turkey Votes 2015(Parliamentary elections)

[Naval Monte]

I really want HDP to win this but I know the chances of them winning are low so I have to go for CHP so that way the AKP doesn't win and turn Turkey into a fundamentalist hell hole.

[Vistulange]

I really want HDP to win this but I know the chances of them winning are low so I have to go for CHP so that way the AKP doesn't win and turn Turkey into a fundamentalist hell hole.

Depends on what you mean by "winning". Every party has different aims.

AKP: Well, at first, they wanted 400 MP's. That seems to be impossible at the moment, so let's assume they just want 276 or more.
MHP: Err...keep their seats?
CHP: Win over 276. More realistically, enough to form a coalition with the HDP or MHP.
HDP: Cross the 10% election threshold.

As you can see, the HDP doesn't even think of being government alone, nor do the MHP.

Also, the AKP isn't fundamentalist. They are authoritarian conservatives, perhaps ultraconservatives. But not the fundamentalists as you would see in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[Vistulange]

Results are in - while not all of the ballot boxes have been opened, the YSK has lifted the ban.

AKP: 43,32% - 267 seats
CHP: 24,51% - 125 seats
MHP: 17,03% - 85 seats
HDP: 10,90% - 73 seats

(AA)

As they are updated every 10 seconds or so, this table won't be 100% accurate. I'll be updating it as often as I can, however.

[Great Anatolia]

Unfortunately,
Same Shit Different Day

Source?

The High Electoral Council hasn't lifted the press ban on results. We have no official results at hand.

I am not talking about results. I am worrying about current situation of our motherland.

[Vistulange]

Unfortunately, there is a great difference between the results announced by the Anatolian Agency (AA) and the Cihan News Agency. AA is owned by the state while Cihan is private. The AA tends to be biased towards the AKP, slightly.

[Rio Cana]

Eh...there are 87 constituencies, but while İzmir I needs around 120.000 votes for a single MP, Bayburt may only need 10.000 votes due the population difference. Istanbul II, might need 300.000 while Diyarbakır only needs 100.000.

Interesting. This seems a good example of malapportionment. Since I love study electoral systems this would be also an interesting case to examine. Malapportionment is a type of electoral manipulation where one seat needs drastically lover votes for a party to win than in another.

As for the 10% threshold, precisely. Now you're getting the point. That's exactly our grievance. 13 years ago, the AKP came to power promising, among many things, that they would abolish the Council of Higher Education (YÖK) and lower/abolish the threshold. They have done neither in their 13 years of government.

Clarification: The number of votes given for the constituencies are merely examples. They may not reflect the truth.

What is this Council actually?

I do not want to seem to defending Erdogan but it seems he is not the one who established this high threshold, and it is also not in interests of other larger parties represened in the parliament to have concurents.

D`Hondt is popular in most countries for a good reason, this reason is because all major parties in all countries in the world have the interest of smaller parties to not get into the parliament since it would damage their seats. From such perspective Turkey is not the one who has such greviance. I am postivly sure CHP, MHP and even the Kurds love that this system remains

I would recomment Turkey beside to lower the threshold also to adopt the Sainte-Laguë method because unlike D`Hondt method it is biased to smaller parties.

You do not elect parties depending solely on their foreign policy aims. Tell me about the MHP's internal policies, as well.

Ok this is true but I doubt MHP is worser than AKP. MHP at least wants that Turkey remains secular.

As for the stated goals: While we may have cultural ties with the Central Asian Turkic nations, they are firmly in Russia's sphere of influence. As a Turk, I believe we need to be firmly oriented towards the West and specifically Europe. There is no path for Turkey but Westernization and democracy. The East and Middle-East have only poverty and authoritarianism for us.

Central Asia has nothing much in common with the Middle East despite being mostly muslim. Central Asians have a different cultural path than the Middle East and Central Asia is secular which fits to Turkey. Also, you seem to not know that Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are rich nations due to oil and gas, so if Turkey has starts to tutoring them it would be benefical for Turkey as well for them. Turkey will send them democracy while Central Asia will send Turkey cheap oil and gas.

Also, liberating them from the Russian sphere of influence will be also a good advantage. Turkic nations are you brothers. You are the same people and have the same language. [color=#0000FF]Wasn`t there a movement in the 90s to unite Turkey and Azerbaijan? What happened with this idea?
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Democratisation sure but westernisation is not necesarly good. Democracy does not need to fits western standards and the West is in crisis. Tell me why should Turkey sell its souveregnity and freedom to some European Union?

Turkey is better than that. It does not need some Brussel beraucrats to make your laws.

In commenting on the blue parts, I do not think a good part of Central Asia wants anything to do with so called Western democracy. They prefer there own so called political systems which might seem democratic but for some do not really seem democratic.

Better not to angry the Russian bear. Some Central Asian nations are still dependent on Russia. Also, plenty of Central Asia is going the way of China. After all, some of them border China while not all of them border Russia. Also, the Chinese are investing in infrastructure projects in those nations.

Has for Azerbaijan, the leadership there seems to be playing other nations for there advantage. Do not forget that in the region there seems to be a Sunni and Shia hatred for each other. Turkey is majority Sunni while Azerbaijan is majority Shia .

[Naval Monte]

I really want HDP to win this but I know the chances of them winning are low so I have to go for CHP so that way the AKP doesn't win and turn Turkey into a fundamentalist hell hole.

Depends on what you mean by "winning". Every party has different aims.

AKP: Well, at first, they wanted 400 MP's. That seems to be impossible at the moment, so let's assume they just want 276 or more.
MHP: Err...keep their seats?
CHP: Win over 276. More realistically, enough to form a coalition with the HDP or MHP.
HDP: Cross the 10% election threshold.

As you can see, the HDP doesn't even think of being government alone, nor do the MHP.

Also, the AKP isn't fundamentalist. They are authoritarian conservatives, perhaps ultraconservatives. But not the fundamentalists as you would see in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

In this context winning means that Turkey isn't being run by authoritarian ultraconservatives.

[Vistulange]

As of 20:10 (GMT+2):

AKP: 42,37% - 263 seats
CHP: 24,95% - 127 seats
MHP: 16,89% - 84 seats
HDP: 11,38% - 78 seats

(AA)

Going good so far.

[Shrillland]

Indeed it is. Now all we have to do is wait for the next election because there's no way a coalition can be formed in the current circumstances.

Seriously though, it's good to see Davatoglu limping along.

[Steamtopia]

As of 20:07 (GMT+2):

AKP: 42,46% - 264 seats
CHP: 24,92% - 127 seats
MHP: 16,90% - 84 seats
HDP: 11,33% - 75 seats

(AA)

Going good so far.

How is that good?

[Vistulange]

As of 20:07 (GMT+2):

AKP: 42,46% - 264 seats
CHP: 24,92% - 127 seats
MHP: 16,90% - 84 seats
HDP: 11,33% - 75 seats

(AA)

Going good so far.

How is that good?

The AKP cannot form a government on their own. They have polarized the political climate in Turkey so much that it would be political suicide for any of the other three parties to form a coalition for them.

[Steamtopia]

How is that good?

The AKP cannot form a government on their own. They have polarized the political climate in Turkey so much that it would be political suicide for any of the other three parties to form a coalition for them.

Would the MHP not form a coalition with them?

[Vistulange]

The AKP cannot form a government on their own. They have polarized the political climate in Turkey so much that it would be political suicide for any of the other three parties to form a coalition for them.

Would the MHP not form a coalition with them?

Eh, depends. The MHP have fired a lot of flak against the AKP due to the peace process, but I personally do not trust the MHP. However, the gap needs to get wider. 10 MP's is nothing for Erdoğan to arrange a transfer for.

[Camelza]

"Turkey's old borders"? You mean like the Golden Dawn would restore Greece's "old borders"?

Yeah, right.

Whole of Greece and many parts of the Balkans is historically turkish, so Turks had not a say when thoose territoris were removed from them.

And?
They were historically Byzantine before and historically Roman before that, but I don't see the municipality of Rome claiming the Empire's eastern territories. Empires rise and fall and no one asks the people beneath their opinion, your "logic" regarding "historical claims" is as faulted as is revanchism.

Start learning some usefull stuff.

[Anollasia]

As of 20:10 (GMT+2):

AKP: 42,37% - 263 seats
CHP: 24,95% - 127 seats
MHP: 16,89% - 84 seats
HDP: 11,38% - 78 seats

(AA)

Going good so far.

It would be better if less people actually voted for AKP though.

[Vistulange]

As of 20:26 (GMT+2):

Turnout: ~90%

AKP: 41,91% - 263 seats
CHP: 25,14% - 129 seats
MHP: 16,82% - 83 seats
HDP: 11,61% - 76 seats

(AA)

Going good so far. The AKP is falling consistently, which is good, if you ask me.

Sırrı Süreyya Sakık, from HDP Istanbul, has acknowledged that they had a lot of "trustee votes", which is also good. He knows that the Turkish people only trust them temporarily, as in, they want them to deliver a better for the entirety of Turkey, not just the Kurds.

[Steamtopia]

As of 20:26 (GMT+2):

Turnout: ~90%

AKP: 41,99% - 263 seats
CHP: 25,11% - 129 seats
MHP: 16,82% - 83 seats
HDP: 11,61% - 76 seats

(AA)

Going good so far. The AKP is falling consistently, which is good, if you ask me.

Sırrı Süreyya Sakık, from HDP Istanbul, has acknowledged that they had a lot of "trustee votes", which is also good. He knows that the Turkish people only trust them temporarily, as in, they want them to deliver a better for the entirety of Turkey, not just the Kurds.

90%? That seems unreasonably high.

[Aarnonia]

As of 20:26 (GMT+2):

Turnout: ~90%

AKP: 41,99% - 263 seats
CHP: 25,11% - 129 seats
MHP: 16,82% - 83 seats
HDP: 11,61% - 76 seats

(AA)

Going good so far. The AKP is falling consistently, which is good, if you ask me.

Sırrı Süreyya Sakık, from HDP Istanbul, has acknowledged that they had a lot of "trustee votes", which is also good. He knows that the Turkish people only trust them temporarily, as in, they want them to deliver a better for the entirety of Turkey, not just the Kurds.

90%? That seems unreasonably high.

%90 is according to the state agency.

[Vistulange]

As of 20:26 (GMT+2):

Turnout: ~90%

AKP: 41,99% - 263 seats
CHP: 25,11% - 129 seats
MHP: 16,82% - 83 seats
HDP: 11,61% - 76 seats

(AA)

Going good so far. The AKP is falling consistently, which is good, if you ask me.

Sırrı Süreyya Sakık, from HDP Istanbul, has acknowledged that they had a lot of "trustee votes", which is also good. He knows that the Turkish people only trust them temporarily, as in, they want them to deliver a better future for the entirety of Turkey, not just the Kurds.

90%? That seems unreasonably high.

Voting is compulsory in Turkey, there's that. Also, there's the fact that everybody knows what's at stake. Traditionally, turnout has been high in Turkey. The lowest I remember was the Presidential elections with around 75%.

[Steamtopia]

90%? That seems unreasonably high.

%90 is according to the state agency.

Wonder if there's any rigging or if Turks are just that political.

[Anollasia]

90%? That seems unreasonably high.

Voting is compulsory in Turkey, there's that. Also, there's the fact that everybody knows what's at stake. Traditionally, turnout has been high in Turkey. The lowest I remember was the Presidential elections with around 75%.

Voting is compulsory? I'm not aware of that.

[Vistulange]

%90 is according to the state agency.

Wonder if there's any rigging or if Turks are just that political.

Rigging wouldn't exactly boost turnout. Even if it did, it wouldn't lower AKP votes.

AKP voters generally vote consistently. It's the opposition that fails to vote, most of the time. That's why the AKP regularly polls (polled?) around 21 million votes, regardless of percentage.

Voting is compulsory in Turkey, there's that. Also, there's the fact that everybody knows what's at stake. Traditionally, turnout has been high in Turkey. The lowest I remember was the Presidential elections with around 75%.

Voting is compulsory? I'm not aware of that.

Er, yes. The penalty for not voting is 22 liras (~$10).

http://www.trtturk.com/haber/oy-vermeme ... 34536.html (Turkish)

[Steamtopia]

90%? That seems unreasonably high.

Voting is compulsory in Turkey, there's that. Also, there's the fact that everybody knows what's at stake. Traditionally, turnout has been high in Turkey. The lowest I remember was the Presidential elections with around 75%.

Ah, it's compulsory? That explains it.

[Anollasia]

Wonder if there's any rigging or if Turks are just that political.

Rigging wouldn't exactly boost turnout. Even if it did, it wouldn't lower AKP votes.

AKP voters generally vote consistently. It's the opposition that fails to vote, most of the time. That's why the AKP regularly polls (polled?) around 21 million votes, regardless of percentage.

Voting is compulsory? I'm not aware of that.

Er, yes. The penalty for not voting is 10,000 liras ($3,759).

http://www.trtturk.com/haber/oy-vermeme ... 34536.html (Turkish)

Did they punish the 25% that didn't vote in the presidential elections?

[Aarnonia]

Voting is compulsory in Turkey, there's that. Also, there's the fact that everybody knows what's at stake. Traditionally, turnout has been high in Turkey. The lowest I remember was the Presidential elections with around 75%.

Ah, it's compulsory? That explains it.

Wait wait wait wait. You can just turn in your paper empty, it's compulsory to just show up, as far as I know.