Turkey Votes 2015(Parliamentary elections)

[Vistulange]

Even if I do not agree with Erdoğan on many things my choice would still be AKP. They are the most economically right-wing party in my opinion and the best option for Turkey entering the EU which I have come to support. I'm somewhat concerned by Erdoğans Islamism but I see him as a far more better choice than the more moderate left-wing parties and the far-right party.
Go Erdoğan!

Really now? It might hurt you to know that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not the head of the government.

That would be Ahmet Davutoğlu.

De jure situations aside, it just so happens that the AKP government no longer wishes to join the European Union, which tends to seek a standard of democracy and human rights which Turkey does not satisfy and will never satisfy under the AKP government.

And why is the AKP better than the "moderate left-wing parties"? Is it because leftists are "godless commies" or because they are "enemies of the free world"? What's your excuse for defending that sorry excuse for a political party against the CHP and HDP?

[Sereniyya]

The obvious choice for any level-headed person with Turkeys best interest in mind, and in extenion the geographical neighborhood sohuld definetely ot support Erdogan. The man is a increasingly authoritarian lunatic with a dangerously high level of hybris. Nevermind the economical policies which arguably are working for Turkey in a macro-perspective, the real factor should be the religious nature of Mr. Erdogan and his followers. They claim to be moderate while their campaign tactics rely on playing to the religious inhabitants of turkey, which is almost exclusively muslim even though there are many levels of adherence. The AKP brand themselves as the party for the religious, the party for those that believe in God etc under the governance of the hugely corrupt Erdogan regime.

The MHP is an even worse choice, the Turkish counterpart to european ultra-nationalist parties. The party of the Bozkurts(The Grey Wolves) responsible for a multitude of atrocities purpetrated by the Turks. Just to demonstrate a little point of contact I would like to mention that it was mainly through the Young Turks(of which a majority would create and participate in the Grey Wolves) that the genocide of the Armenians, Assyrians and the Greeks took place, or at the very least in the scale that it unfortunately did. Their ideology was that a homeland must be created for the Turks so that they can live in peace, all other etnicities are unwelcome and ultimatly detrimental for Turkeys and the Turks future survival and superiority.

The CHP is the old party of Kemal Atatürk, which is relatively social democratic as others before me have pointed out. This party combined with the HDP is the obvious better choice for Turkey. What needs to be done on the international scene is to empower the liberal and secular population of Turkey to keep Turkey as a whole away from the route that they are on under Erdogan. Do we really want another Islamic state? Sure it may sound like conspiracy theories and paranoia but the fact remains that right up until this day IS combatants are recieving treatment in Turkish hospitals and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the ultimate goal of IS is condoned by Erdogan i.e. the establishment of a eastern islamic powerhouse of a state. And on the point of Turkeys supposed dream of joining the EU; it's bullshit. Perhaps years ago when the AKP was the new kid on the block and was forced to act super-moderate did the express the will to further ally themselves with the west but that is no longer the case. Erdogan is increasingly playing to the middle-eastern nations and establishing diplomatic ties with them on the cost of their historical western relations. What I am trying to say is that Erdogan is no longer that eager to join the EU so to put forth that point is useless and irrelevant. Also in reaction to the EUs unwillingness to grant admission to Turkey in to the fold essentialy threw oil in the Islamic fire within the Turks as the only alternative they saw in contrast to the liberal and secular Europe was their Ottoman roots in the East and their Muslim background. Whether you are a rightist, capitalist, liberal, socialist etc your priority should be to stop the religous(and nationalist) fanaticism that's ever growing in Turkey before it manifests in something to big and bad to handle before people start losing their lives over it, which has already happened.

I am not sure why I decided to post this on here, maybe it was a manifestation of my emotions as a result of the bombing of HDP meetings in Diyarbakir(a large mainly-Kurdish city) this friday. I am saying this as a person with personal ties to Turkey, having a kurdish mother and a turkish father and a active interest in turkish day-to-day politics. Not that this is a prerequisite for intricate knowledge in turkish domestic affairs but it does give me a gateway to the issues. My own sympathies lies with the HDP, not in that they want to create a Kurdistan but in the way that they strive for the rights of the minorities in Turkey and not only the 20-30% Kurds but also the few Armenians, Jews, Lazs and Arabs that remain in Turkey. The establishment of a kurdish nation is only a viable option if the Kurds rights are not ensured in the state of Turkey. They are also the only relevant party that acknowledges the genocide of the Armenian people(not sure on the Assyria and Greek part).

We are all in for a turbulent period in Turkey. If the HDP enters the parliament and creates a coalition with the CHP large enough to form a majority the AKP and MHP supporters are going to freak out. Erdogan himself has said in a rally that ''we do not need a majority to rule Turkey''. If the HDP do not enter the parliement the kurds and leftists of Turkey will most likely react in a similiar manner to the way the others would were the shoes on the other feet.

As my Turkish friend residing in Italy said before me; it would be a window of opportunity to draw Turkey out of the Islamic clusterfuck that is engulfing the neighborhood

[Western-Ukraine]

Even if I do not agree with Erdoğan on many things my choice would still be AKP. They are the most economically right-wing party in my opinion and the best option for Turkey entering the EU which I have come to support. I'm somewhat concerned by Erdoğans Islamism but I see him as a far more better choice than the more moderate left-wing parties and the far-right party.
Go Erdoğan!

Really now? It might hurt you to know that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not the head of the government.

That would be Ahmet Davutoğlu.

De jure situations aside, it just so happens that the AKP government no longer wishes to join the European Union, which tends to seek a standard of democracy and human rights which Turkey does not satisfy and will never satisfy under the AKP government.

And why is the AKP better than the "moderate left-wing parties"? Is it because leftists are "godless commies" or because they are "enemies of the free world"? What's your excuse for defending that sorry excuse for a political party against the CHP and HDP?

I do know that Ahmet Davutoğlu is the head of the government in Turkey currently. Erdoğan still holds much power in Turkey.

AKP is better than the left-wing parties because I generally support economically right-wing parties. I still see CHP and HDP as far better choices than the MHP though. And yes, CHP and HDP are godless commies. AKP is campaigning for a free market economy and free trade.

[Sereniyya]

Really now? It might hurt you to know that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not the head of the government.

That would be Ahmet Davutoğlu.

De jure situations aside, it just so happens that the AKP government no longer wishes to join the European Union, which tends to seek a standard of democracy and human rights which Turkey does not satisfy and will never satisfy under the AKP government.

And why is the AKP better than the "moderate left-wing parties"? Is it because leftists are "godless commies" or because they are "enemies of the free world"? What's your excuse for defending that sorry excuse for a political party against the CHP and HDP?

I do know that Ahmet Davutoğlu is the head of the government in Turkey currently. Erdoğan still holds much power in Turkey.

AKP is better than the left-wing parties because I generally support economically right-wing parties. I still see CHP and HDP as far better choices than the MHP though. And yes, CHP and HDP are godless commies. AKP is campaigning for a free market economy and free trade.

If you don't mind me asking kind sir, are you more against communism or islamism? Because that is essentialy the choice in Turkey right now.

[Western-Ukraine]

I do know that Ahmet Davutoğlu is the head of the government in Turkey currently. Erdoğan still holds much power in Turkey.

AKP is better than the left-wing parties because I generally support economically right-wing parties. I still see CHP and HDP as far better choices than the MHP though. And yes, CHP and HDP are godless commies. AKP is campaigning for a free market economy and free trade.

If you don't mind me asking kind sir, are you more against communism or islamism? Because that is essentialy the choice in Turkey right now.

I do not see these elections as a choice between communism and islamism. the AKP is hardly islamist.

[Camelza]

Really now? It might hurt you to know that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not the head of the government.

That would be Ahmet Davutoğlu.

De jure situations aside, it just so happens that the AKP government no longer wishes to join the European Union, which tends to seek a standard of democracy and human rights which Turkey does not satisfy and will never satisfy under the AKP government.

And why is the AKP better than the "moderate left-wing parties"? Is it because leftists are "godless commies" or because they are "enemies of the free world"? What's your excuse for defending that sorry excuse for a political party against the CHP and HDP?

I do know that Ahmet Davutoğlu is the head of the government in Turkey currently. Erdoğan still holds much power in Turkey.

AKP is better than the left-wing parties because I generally support economically right-wing parties. I still see CHP and HDP as far better choices than the MHP though. And yes, CHP and HDP are godless commies. AKP is campaigning for a free market economy and free trade.

I find it intriguing how some people have complete disregard for human rights as long as the economy is free. Don't get me wrong I too support free economies, but there are some certain limits. AKP will be bad for Turkey and the Turkish people in the long run, their rampant authoritarianism, corruption and religious conservatism can only lead Turkey to a darker path.
If CHP manages to shake Sultan Recep I from his throne there will be hope.

[Camelza]

I do know that Ahmet Davutoğlu is the head of the government in Turkey currently. Erdoğan still holds much power in Turkey.

AKP is better than the left-wing parties because I generally support economically right-wing parties. I still see CHP and HDP as far better choices than the MHP though. And yes, CHP and HDP are godless commies. AKP is campaigning for a free market economy and free trade.

If you don't mind me asking kind sir, are you more against communism or islamism? Because that is essentialy the choice in Turkey right now.

Actually it's more of a choice between nationalist secular centrists and islamist conservative right-wingers.
The Kemalists aren't that much left-wing regarding economics, neither were they anti-Nato when they were in power.

[Western-Ukraine]

I do know that Ahmet Davutoğlu is the head of the government in Turkey currently. Erdoğan still holds much power in Turkey.

AKP is better than the left-wing parties because I generally support economically right-wing parties. I still see CHP and HDP as far better choices than the MHP though. And yes, CHP and HDP are godless commies. AKP is campaigning for a free market economy and free trade.

I find it intriguing how some people have complete disregard for human rights as long as the economy is free. Don't get me wrong I too support free economies, but there are some certain limits. AKP will be bad for Turkey and the Turkish people in the long run, their rampant authoritarianism, corruption and religious conservatism can only lead Turkey to a darker path.
If CHP manages to shake Sultan Recep I from his throne there will be hope.

Gladly I'm not the Turk here. AKP has sound economic policies and by not isolating them the western countries can find a good ally in Turkey. The western countries do not have many friends in the Middle-East and the few remaining should stay as friends. Left-wing parties can only lead Turkey to more problems in the long run.

[Camelza]

I find it intriguing how some people have complete disregard for human rights as long as the economy is free. Don't get me wrong I too support free economies, but there are some certain limits. AKP will be bad for Turkey and the Turkish people in the long run, their rampant authoritarianism, corruption and religious conservatism can only lead Turkey to a darker path.
If CHP manages to shake Sultan Recep I from his throne there will be hope.

Gladly I'm not the Turk here. AKP has sound economic policies and by not isolating them the western countries can find a good ally in Turkey. The western countries do not have many friends in the Middle-East and the few remaining should stay as friends. Left-wing parties can only lead Turkey to more problems in the long run.

Only CHP isn't actually left-wing, only left-leaning and they had no problems with the western world whenever they were in power. Either learn a little bit about Turkish politics, or at least refrain from making rampant generalisations.

[Western-Ukraine]

Gladly I'm not the Turk here. AKP has sound economic policies and by not isolating them the western countries can find a good ally in Turkey. The western countries do not have many friends in the Middle-East and the few remaining should stay as friends. Left-wing parties can only lead Turkey to more problems in the long run.

Only CHP isn't actually left-wing, only left-leaning and they had no problems with the western world whenever they were in power. Either learn a little bit about Turkish politics, or at least refrain from making rampant generalisations.

Why do you think that I do not know about Turkish politics? CHP is left-wing on my political chart so I can call it left-wing all I want to.

[Camelza]

Only CHP isn't actually left-wing, only left-leaning and they had no problems with the western world whenever they were in power. Either learn a little bit about Turkish politics, or at least refrain from making rampant generalisations.

Why do you think that I do not know about Turkish politics? CHP is left-wing on my political chart so I can call it left-wing all I want to.

Do as you wish. It won't change the facts.

[Western-Ukraine]

Why do you think that I do not know about Turkish politics? CHP is left-wing on my political chart so I can call it left-wing all I want to.

Do as you wish. It won't change the facts.

Is it a fact that CHP is left-leaning if you or some people say so? Who defines that?

[Camelza]

Do as you wish. It won't change the facts.

Is it a fact that CHP is left-leaning if you or some people say so? Who defines that?

The party's policies in comparisson with other parties in the international stage as well as inside the party's national political stage.
It is by definition a party that abides to free market capitalism and is pro-west. The fact that it doesn't support neoliberal economics doesn't make it left-wing.
You must learn not to label anyone you disagree with as a "godless commie".

[Vistulange]

Only CHP isn't actually left-wing, only left-leaning and they had no problems with the western world whenever they were in power. Either learn a little bit about Turkish politics, or at least refrain from making rampant generalisations.

Why do you think that I do not know about Turkish politics? CHP is left-wing on my political chart so I can call it left-wing all I want to.

Because one, you think the CHP is against NATO and the European Union and two, because you think that the AKP is a reliable ally for the West in Turkey.

Those two facts alone show your utter and total ignorance regarding Turkish politics.

[Sereniyya]

If you don't mind me asking kind sir, are you more against communism or islamism? Because that is essentialy the choice in Turkey right now.

Actually it's more of a choice between nationalist secular centrists and islamist conservative right-wingers.
The Kemalists aren't that much left-wing regarding economics, neither were they anti-Nato when they were in power.

You're right, but I was actually referring to the HDP and AKP even though your description of them as islamist conservative right wingers is somewhat acurrate. You did include islamist which is what I call them so there's no real difference in opinion here. I focused on the HDP as they are kind of the wild cards in this election and it is quite realistic to assume that were they to assume position as the co-ruler along with the CHP the Turkish politics would gradually develop in a more leftist manner as the CHP can't rule without the HDP mandates putting them(HDP) in a position where they can make demands. They are also the party which would make the largest impact in Turkish politics if they were to recieve a remarkable percentage of the votes. The CHP is arguable a little left of the center though but very nationalist as you say but still not on the same level as the MHP. I believe that they did centralize a quite large potion of turkeys industrial infrastructure and put it under the governments control and introduced various social safety nets like retirement-money(penion?) and diverse social benefits. In the kurdish matter their general policy is: why can't we all just be turks? In contrast to the AKPs: there are no kurds, they are just mountain turks who think they have som right to their land, which they dont!

And Western-Ukraine, I respect you capitalist ways and your endorsement of the AKP economical policies but Erdogans personal behaviour should be enough to convince you that we are dealing with a mad man with his puppet Davutoglu. Davutoglu is just a guy they put in the primeministers position because Erdogan had already used up his maximum allowed turns in office. But to stay in power he simultaneously drafted and implemented legislature which gave a considerable amount of power in to the hands of the president of Turkey, a position which has historically been mostly symbolic, at least under AKP rule. (When the president was Abdullah Gül). Erdogan then took the position of President to stay in power another 10 years.

[Sereniyya]

Why do you think that I do not know about Turkish politics? CHP is left-wing on my political chart so I can call it left-wing all I want to.

Because one, you think the CHP is against NATO and the European Union and two, because you think that the AKP is a reliable ally for the West in Turkey.

Those two facts alone show your utter and total ignorance regarding Turkish politics.

Seconded. The AKP is probably the worst ally the west can have in turkey. They have already cut ties with the US closest ally; Israel and refused to participate in the coalitions agains the Islamic state. Even if the HDP awould take power i doubt they would cut ties with the West, Turkey is to depenent on their relations with the West and maily the US and it is much mor likely that Turkey will join the EU under CHP+HDP rule than MHP and AKP.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

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Here we see our OWN cop killed by KURDS. People that vote HDP, are voting against our nation. You guys talk about HDP as if they were a progressive party that cared about Turks!

They support PKK and their supporters KILLS OUR COPS AND SOLDIERS. HOW can you vote for such traitors? How can you accept that? Our own people are getting killed by those filthy cunts. That police man was the father of some children and the husband of a woman. Now they are left alone, crying, while our OWN PEOPLE vote for these people that did this. How can people that vote for HDP not be seen as traitors?

And the Turkish Armed Forces are responsible for the burning of several Kurdish villages, resulting in the deaths of a lot of Kurdish citizens. Your point?

We shouldn't have stopped. We should burn down every shitty village and deport those filthy fucks straight to ISIS.

People are people. And you haven't learned anything from past warnings and bans, it appears. One Last Chance prior to deletion of this account, then. *** 7 day ban for trolling/wishing death on groups of people *** We'll leave the inappropriate picture to the side, for now. Too much gore. Thanks.

To everyone else going forward, please, keep it civil, keep it clean.

[Geilinor]

I find it intriguing how some people have complete disregard for human rights as long as the economy is free. Don't get me wrong I too support free economies, but there are some certain limits. AKP will be bad for Turkey and the Turkish people in the long run, their rampant authoritarianism, corruption and religious conservatism can only lead Turkey to a darker path.
If CHP manages to shake Sultan Recep I from his throne there will be hope.

Gladly I'm not the Turk here. AKP has sound economic policies and by not isolating them the western countries can find a good ally in Turkey. The western countries do not have many friends in the Middle-East and the few remaining should stay as friends. Left-wing parties can only lead Turkey to more problems in the long run.

Turkey's economy is doing fine, but there are other issues in this election.

[Geilinor]

Nice going, Erdogan. The Queen is not in charge of the UK.

[Mefpan]

Nice going, Erdogan. The Queen is not in charge of the UK.

Please, be kind. He doesn't understand the idea of Heads of State serving a purely representative role, if his own style of rulership is any indication.

[Vistulange]

Nice going, Erdogan. The Queen is not in charge of the UK.

Nice going, Erdogan. The Queen is not in charge of the UK.

Please, be kind. He doesn't understand the idea of Heads of State serving a purely representative role, if his own style of rulership is any indication.

Re-read Cengiz Aktar's words. Now re-read them again. Whether he knows or doesn't know is irrelevant, as is whether he understands or not.

What matters is what the people he speaks to understand, nothing more.

[Mefpan]

Nice going, Erdogan. The Queen is not in charge of the UK.

Please, be kind. He doesn't understand the idea of Heads of State serving a purely representative role, if his own style of rulership is any indication.

Re-read Cengiz Aktar's words. Now re-read them again. Whether he knows or doesn't know is irrelevant, as is whether he understands or not.

What matters is what the people he speaks to understand, nothing more.

Ah, sorry. Internet. Forgot that snark doesn't carry as well over this medium.

But...there's only one way I could potentially comment on that kind of fucking stupid, inane, vile and abominably dishonest statement and it'd be a quote about the proportionality between the enormity and believability of lies that would make me catch flak for Godwinning.

[Geilinor]

Nice going, Erdogan. The Queen is not in charge of the UK.

Please, be kind. He doesn't understand the idea of Heads of State serving a purely representative role, if his own style of rulership is any indication.

Re-read Cengiz Aktar's words. Now re-read them again. Whether he knows or doesn't know is irrelevant, as is whether he understands or not.

What matters is what the people he speaks to understand, nothing more.

Then, frankly, those people are stupid and don't know what they're doing.

[Purger]

"Turkey's old borders"? You mean like the Golden Dawn would restore Greece's "old borders"?

Yeah, right.

Whole of Greece and many parts of the Balkans is historically turkish, so Turks had not a say when thoose territoris were removed from them.

[Geilinor]

"Turkey's old borders"? You mean like the Golden Dawn would restore Greece's "old borders"?

Yeah, right.

Whole of Greece and many parts of the Balkans is historically turkish, so Turks had not a say when thoose territoris were removed from them.

Historically Ottoman, you mean. In other words, imperialism.