You're a socialist, talking about how America has no left wing. He rejected your ideas at face value.
Ironically, very similar to Bill O'Reilly.
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by The New Sea Territory » Mon May 25, 2015 9:27 pm
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by Aidannadia » Mon May 25, 2015 9:27 pm

by Lalaki » Mon May 25, 2015 9:29 pm
Nierra wrote:Lalaki wrote:
Repulsive? Explain.
It's all just rabble-rousing nonsense. There's a few basic points I and most people can agree with. Universal Healthcare + free education + higher minimum wage. But we can get all that under hillary. The rest of the nonsense would be an irrational and isolationist foreign policy, protectionism, a step away from free trade, and more anti wall-street rhetoric that solves nothing.

by Ancient Magmia » Mon May 25, 2015 9:29 pm
Dear Diary, I'm Having a Little ProblemWise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato

by United Marxist Nations » Mon May 25, 2015 9:30 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

by North Calaveras » Mon May 25, 2015 9:33 pm
Ancient Magmia wrote:Because he's a loudmouthed, bigoted, arrogant, self-righteous, laughably ignorant douchebag. All he does on his show is basically scream at people about how right he is; rarely does he ever actually attempt to have a civilized debate, unless whoever he's speaking to already agrees with him. He's a pretentious reactionary who caters to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party base.
Even when I was a die-hard right-winger, after a while I thought he was an arrogant douche.
Oh, and we can also now add wife-beater to the list of disgraceful things this man is.

by Neutraligon » Mon May 25, 2015 9:33 pm

by Ancient Magmia » Mon May 25, 2015 9:34 pm
North Calaveras wrote:Ancient Magmia wrote:Because he's a loudmouthed, bigoted, arrogant, self-righteous, laughably ignorant douchebag. All he does on his show is basically scream at people about how right he is; rarely does he ever actually attempt to have a civilized debate, unless whoever he's speaking to already agrees with him. He's a pretentious reactionary who caters to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party base.
Even when I was a die-hard right-winger, after a while I thought he was an arrogant douche.
Oh, and we can also now add wife-beater to the list of disgraceful things this man is.
sounds like piers morgan.
Dear Diary, I'm Having a Little ProblemWise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato

by Nierra » Mon May 25, 2015 9:35 pm

by Nierra » Mon May 25, 2015 9:37 pm
Lalaki wrote:Nierra wrote:
It's all just rabble-rousing nonsense. There's a few basic points I and most people can agree with. Universal Healthcare + free education + higher minimum wage. But we can get all that under hillary. The rest of the nonsense would be an irrational and isolationist foreign policy, protectionism, a step away from free trade, and more anti wall-street rhetoric that solves nothing.
We wouldn't get universal health care under Hillary. She would merely maintain the PPACA. While I support that law, the final goal should be a single-payer system. Sanders is the only Democrat supporting that so far. With free education, we don't know if Hillary will merely support free community colleges or actual debt-free universities. I can concede wages, for both of them have raised support for increases. Anyways, the TPP/TTIP are potentially harmful for labor and the environment. While I'm not as hardliner as Sanders is, he raises very legitimate points that Hillary seems to be kicking down the road. And his anti-Wall Street rhetoric is mostly accurate. It was our largest financial institutions that took down our economy after all. Hillary doesn't seem that keen on furthering regulations. Sanders would fervently push for them.
To be clear, Hillary will have my full support should she win the nomination. But I will be behind Sanders until then, with O'Malley being my second choice.

by United Marxist Nations » Mon May 25, 2015 9:40 pm
Nierra wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:I'm afraid I don't follow what you mean by that. Could you clarify?
Ron Paul? The guy who has never taken an economics course in his life, continuously endorses some weird austrian economics nonsense that whatever the Government does is bad, debt is never productive, and money printing to fend of deflation is akin to murder sort of thing?
What I meant by all that, would be it's ridiculous to take someone's opinion about what someone else means by what they say is ridiculous and if you want intentions to be answered you should go to the original author.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

by Vandario » Mon May 25, 2015 9:43 pm

by United Marxist Nations » Mon May 25, 2015 9:43 pm
Nierra wrote:Lalaki wrote:
We wouldn't get universal health care under Hillary. She would merely maintain the PPACA. While I support that law, the final goal should be a single-payer system. Sanders is the only Democrat supporting that so far. With free education, we don't know if Hillary will merely support free community colleges or actual debt-free universities. I can concede wages, for both of them have raised support for increases. Anyways, the TPP/TTIP are potentially harmful for labor and the environment. While I'm not as hardliner as Sanders is, he raises very legitimate points that Hillary seems to be kicking down the road. And his anti-Wall Street rhetoric is mostly accurate. It was our largest financial institutions that took down our economy after all. Hillary doesn't seem that keen on furthering regulations. Sanders would fervently push for them.
To be clear, Hillary will have my full support should she win the nomination. But I will be behind Sanders until then, with O'Malley being my second choice.
No, someone like Alan S Blinder has sensible critiques of the financial sector. Also numerous entrepreneurs who have clearly voiced their opinion about what's wrong with finance. Guys like Bernie Sanders however? They're the guys who just try to regulate absolutely anything without much study and jump onto whatever the progressive bandwagon is rather then judge by the specific circumstances and impacts of each financial regulation.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

by Lalaki » Mon May 25, 2015 9:51 pm
Nierra wrote:Lalaki wrote:
We wouldn't get universal health care under Hillary. She would merely maintain the PPACA. While I support that law, the final goal should be a single-payer system. Sanders is the only Democrat supporting that so far. With free education, we don't know if Hillary will merely support free community colleges or actual debt-free universities. I can concede wages, for both of them have raised support for increases. Anyways, the TPP/TTIP are potentially harmful for labor and the environment. While I'm not as hardliner as Sanders is, he raises very legitimate points that Hillary seems to be kicking down the road. And his anti-Wall Street rhetoric is mostly accurate. It was our largest financial institutions that took down our economy after all. Hillary doesn't seem that keen on furthering regulations. Sanders would fervently push for them.
To be clear, Hillary will have my full support should she win the nomination. But I will be behind Sanders until then, with O'Malley being my second choice.
No, someone like Alan S Blinder has sensible critiques of the financial sector. Also numerous entrepreneurs who have clearly voiced their opinion about what's wrong with finance. Guys like Bernie Sanders however? They're the guys who just try to regulate absolutely anything without much study and jump onto whatever the progressive bandwagon is rather then judge by the specific circumstances and impacts of each financial regulation.

by Nierra » Mon May 25, 2015 9:53 pm
Lalaki wrote:Nierra wrote:
No, someone like Alan S Blinder has sensible critiques of the financial sector. Also numerous entrepreneurs who have clearly voiced their opinion about what's wrong with finance. Guys like Bernie Sanders however? They're the guys who just try to regulate absolutely anything without much study and jump onto whatever the progressive bandwagon is rather then judge by the specific circumstances and impacts of each financial regulation.
Sanders would support regulation in the style of FDR after the Great Depression. Those policies served to keep us out of any financially-spurred recession for decades until we started deregulating. He actually supports very specific and detailed plans that you can look up on his record. It's simple. Prevent banks from becoming "too big to fail" via regulations and dissolutions where necessary, and strongly regulate the financial sector so that companies can't perform the toxic practices that got us into the 2007 mess in the first place. We don't want to bailout anyone if we don't have to, and securing our industries is the best way to do that.

by Llamalandia » Mon May 25, 2015 9:55 pm
Geilinor wrote:O'Reilly's so-called "No-Spin Zone" ticks me off, he's one of the masters of spin.

by Lalaki » Mon May 25, 2015 9:56 pm
Nierra wrote:Lalaki wrote:
Sanders would support regulation in the style of FDR after the Great Depression. Those policies served to keep us out of any financially-spurred recession for decades until we started deregulating. He actually supports very specific and detailed plans that you can look up on his record. It's simple. Prevent banks from becoming "too big to fail" via regulations and dissolutions where necessary, and strongly regulate the financial sector so that companies can't perform the toxic practices that got us into the 2007 mess in the first place. We don't want to bailout anyone if we don't have to, and securing our industries is the best way to do that.
Sounds like demagoguery to me. He supports glass steagall, hard to take his financial expertise seriously.

by Nierra » Mon May 25, 2015 10:02 pm
Lalaki wrote:Nierra wrote:
Sounds like demagoguery to me. He supports glass steagall, hard to take his financial expertise seriously.
What precisely about trust-busting and strong regulations is hard for you to take seriously? If you disagree with Glass-Steagall (merely the separation of different forms of banking for security purposes), Sanders' agenda goes far beyond that.
by Cannot think of a name » Mon May 25, 2015 10:08 pm
Draica wrote:I like him, he's better than these individuals:
Al Sharpton MSNBC starlight, racist, homophobic rants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUjlle7ZVo
MSNBC Ed Schultz, calling a mother who has adopted multiple Russian Children and is a hard-working mom, a "slut"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YriSB0nwzgw
Chris Matthews who gets a thrill up his leg when he hears Obama speak(talk about creepy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no9fpKVXxCc
All of these are MSNBC starlights, but you never see the left-wing idealogues hear at Nationstates gaming going after them.

by Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 25, 2015 10:09 pm

by Nierra » Mon May 25, 2015 10:10 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Draica wrote:I like him, he's better than these individuals:
Al Sharpton MSNBC starlight, racist, homophobic rants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUjlle7ZVo
MSNBC Ed Schultz, calling a mother who has adopted multiple Russian Children and is a hard-working mom, a "slut"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YriSB0nwzgw
Chris Matthews who gets a thrill up his leg when he hears Obama speak(talk about creepy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no9fpKVXxCc
All of these are MSNBC starlights, but you never see the left-wing idealogues hear at Nationstates gaming going after them.
You know how you've found someone indefensible? When instead of talking about that person their defenders start bringing up other people to change the subject.

by Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 25, 2015 10:11 pm
Nierra wrote:It's not even like Bill O'Reilly is the epitome of conservatism, theres a lot more people to hate much more than Bill O'Reilly, like Sean Hannity, orr Ann Ann Coulter. Why the hate for bill though? Or Megyn Kelly for that matter.

by Lalaki » Mon May 25, 2015 10:11 pm
Nierra wrote:Lalaki wrote:
What precisely about trust-busting and strong regulations is hard for you to take seriously? If you disagree with Glass-Steagall (merely the separation of different forms of banking for security purposes), Sanders' agenda goes far beyond that.
Strong regulations =/= sensible regulations. Listen, credit still needs to flow freely and the way you seperation risk is through incentives like a return to the partnership model not more worthless regulations that choke of credit. The problem with finance is they think they're an industry. We need to get them to lend more to real producers, rather than further choke their ability to do that and further promote what they're doing now.
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It's just so hilarious that politicians think they know more about economic policies and controls than economists.

by Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 25, 2015 10:12 pm
Nierra wrote:Except that was one "defender", and aside from brutish tactics there are no reasonable criticisms that aren't politically fueled.

by Nierra » Mon May 25, 2015 10:13 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Nierra wrote:It's not even like Bill O'Reilly is the epitome of conservatism, theres a lot more people to hate much more than Bill O'Reilly, like Sean Hannity, orr Ann Ann Coulter. Why the hate for bill though? Or Megyn Kelly for that matter.
Because they're stupid. I hate them all equally. O'Reilly just gets more news for his bullshit because he's probably mildly more famous than the others. For his bullshit.
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