what "race" do I check?

[Novus America]

Yes but most Mexicans are still part white.

Less than 10% Mexicans actually are white, and don't forget, this is just self-identification. Less than 10% of Mexicans even consider themselves white.

Are you going to tell the 90% of Mexicans who are not white that they actually are even though they don't even consider themselves white?

The one drop theory is very racist, very out of date and only applied to blacks

You keep bringing this up as if it is relevant. If anything, this is a reverse of the one drop theory.

not native Americans anyways.

Stop being US-centric. Race exists outside of historical perceptions in the United States.

People who are white with Native American are still white

Depends. Is Elizabeth Warren (she has distant tribal ancestor) white? Yes.

Now is a Mexican who has 50% Amerind ancestry white? No.

Umm considering he is American the American definition would be the most appropriate one. Anyway if you are going with a 50% thoery we are just not going to agree, as I do not subscribe to said thoery, and I doubt you are going to change, and it is all just made up social constructs.

We can agree to disagree on your 50% theory (which may even make him white, maybe he is 75% white).

But we can also agree it is not complicated for the OP. He should check, white, Native American and Hispanic. Easy, problem solved.

[The Carolines]

Less than 10% Mexicans actually are white, and don't forget, this is just self-identification. Less than 10% of Mexicans even consider themselves white.

Are you going to tell the 90% of Mexicans who are not white that they actually are even though they don't even consider themselves white?



You keep bringing this up as if it is relevant. If anything, this is a reverse of the one drop theory.



Stop being US-centric. Race exists outside of historical perceptions in the United States.



Depends. Is Elizabeth Warren (she has distant tribal ancestor) white? Yes.

Now is a Mexican who has 50% Amerind ancestry white? No.

Umm considering he is American the American definition would be the most appropriate one. Anyway if you are going with a 50% thoery we are just not going to agree, as I do not subscribe to said thoery, and I doubt you are going to change, and it is all just made up social constructs.

We can agree to disagree on your 50% theory (which may even make him white, maybe he is 75% white).

But we can also agree it is not complicated for the OP. He should check, white, Native American and Hispanic. Easy, problem solved.

Fair enough.

I'm going to eat lunch.

[Novus America]

You do not have to be all white to be white.

This is correct. You can be 10% non-white and still be white. But there is a threshold (I'd wager it's around 70%). Being 50% non-white is well passed that threshold.

But your definition of biracial not being able to be more than one race is different than any I have every heard of.

Intriguing.

And how do you know his mix anyways?

I don't, but based off the demographics of Mexican-Americans, I can make a rather accurate guess.

What if he is part 75% white?

Es blanco. But I doubt that this individual is, because the odds are against it.

See race is not mutually exclusive and your mixing colors apology is off the mark is race is a purely social construct. As such it is possible to be more than one at the same time.

No, it is not. Racial differences are about 50% environmental and 50% biological. There are hereditarian cases to be made for differences in agility and intelligence, but that is for another thread.

Again we will have to agree to disagree. I do not subscribe to a certain threshold (although for the record studies claim the average Mexican Mestizo is 64.9% European or white and 30.8% Native American) and as far as biological differences go well the categorizations they are based on are a social construct and thus race is still a social construct.

But for the purpose of the OP we can agree he checks white, Native American and Hispanic.

[Courlany]

Check box Hispanic. Are you also handicapped, first generation college student, female, and want to study STEM? If all of the above, apply to Princeton.

[Confederate Ramenia]

Hispanics aren't white?

[Rio Cana]

OP if you are Mexican American just vote Hispanic. After all that is what they are asking.

Lets say you check on that form your color. You would then be saying that you are of European descent. You would be empowering politically that group. The same group which, historically, has marginalized Hispanics and even African Americans. Checking hispanic you would be empowering the Hispanic group politically. When it comes to US African Americans there population numbers have been stable at around 12% which means politically they will always be in a disadvantage. However, the Hispanic population has been growing which allows for political power to be gain. , However, if they start dividing themselves by color it will only benefit the so called majority of European descent who have tended to look down on most Latin Americans no matter the color.

Off-Topic - OP since you said you were Mexican American, what do you think about this singers voice. Its a fellow Mexican American of yours from Riverside California. Great voice. Too bad she lost. More then likely she will continue with her career. Hard to believe with a voice like that that she is 12.

Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dRnTWRaZ-o

Do you have a bone to pick with white Americans or something?

What!

Its the 21 century and political power and the benefits it brimgs goes to those that have the votes. For example, lets pick Bolivia. Mostly native populated since independence but the native majority had been marginalized. So called *those of pure European heritage" ran the place. Should point out that some of those so called pure were really mixed but that is another story. For centuries, Bolivia was a mess except for the small elite group running the place. Economically and politically, how a nation that helped pay for the rise of the West be economically a disaster most of its history is beyond belief.

Today, they finally got a native President who represents the native group or majority of Bolivians. Politically and economically Bolivia has stabilized,

Bolivian natives are getting rich. Just watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGQZpdv3eg

In those buildings you saw in the above video which are there homes. they said they have a store on the lower floor and a dance place on the second or third.
This is a video which most likely shows one of those money making dance places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydcmpnw_Mdk

If they had continued voting in those other groups which could care less about the majority native population, chances are things would still be the same for this majority group.

[Dakini]

Minor point of order...

Do Brazilians count as 'Hispanic' for the purposes of these categorisations in the United States?

Nobody seems to know for sure. Sometimes Hispanic and Latino are used interchangeably but other times they are different, Hispanic only for Spanish speaking places, Latino for all with Latin based languages.

Wait so does this mean that the French and Italians are Latino too?

[Greater Nevadian Empire]

Nobody seems to know for sure. Sometimes Hispanic and Latino are used interchangeably but other times they are different, Hispanic only for Spanish speaking places, Latino for all with Latin based languages.

Wait so does this mean that the French and Italians are Latino too?

Latino almost always means from Latin America (sometimes including Spain and Portugal too). I have never heard the term used for other countries that speak Romance language.

[Rio Cana]

Nobody seems to know for sure. Sometimes Hispanic and Latino are used interchangeably but other times they are different, Hispanic only for Spanish speaking places, Latino for all with Latin based languages.

Wait so does this mean that the French and Italians are Latino too?

Only the French Canadians and those French speaking islands in the Caribbean.

There is a story that the French wanted to conquer South America. So they though up the name Latin America since the French language came from Latin just like Spanish and Portuguese. The French though they would be better accepted by the South Americans they were going to conquer if they lumped all those languages into Latin. Sort of "We are all Latin" thing.

[Courlany]

Do Brazilians count as 'Hispanic' for the purposes of these categorisations in the United States?

Hispanic refers to a language, or Spanish-speaking. Brazilians speak Portuguese, not classified as Hispanic. Twenty-one countries are officially Hispanic.

[Personal Freedom]

Race and ethnicity in the United States Census, defined by the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the United States Census Bureau, are self-identification data items in which residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify, and indicate whether or not they are of Hispanic or Latino origin (the only categories for ethnicity).

The US Census says Hispanic is not a race.

[Novus America]

Nobody seems to know for sure. Sometimes Hispanic and Latino are used interchangeably but other times they are different, Hispanic only for Spanish speaking places, Latino for all with Latin based languages.

Wait so does this mean that the French and Italians are Latino too?

Well, by some definitions, if taken literally yes, but it generally refers only to countries in the Americas. It generally refers to to Latin Americans, so Latino would include Haitians but exclude Italians, and even people from Suriname and Jaimaica. So people from Spain are Hispanic but might not be Latino. But again since Hispanic and Latino are used interchangeably they might be considered Hispanic/Latino. And as far as Brazilians some definitions also include them as Hispanic as the Roman provinces of Hispania included Portugal. They are certainly part of "Latin America". The U.S. census bureau officially includes only Spanish speaking countries in its definition of Hispanic/Latino so Brazil is excluded by the census, but this is not the definition many others use.
Of course this is all recent, the box was only stuck on the census in 1970s. It should be noted the U.S. government is not in agreement either. The Department of Transportation another government agency has a broader definition that includes Brazil, and many other government agencies have adopted this. The EEOC another government organization says it is purely self identification without any limitations so could include an Italian. So the U.S. Government has no idea what the term actually means, each agency has its own definitions. Yes, really...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

If you are looking for a logical, consistent, universal definition that is not vague and over broad you will be disappointed, as none exists.

It is really just a confused mess and so bad that as per the source I posted earlier a majority of those identified as Hispanic (not sure the exact definition used if any in that survey) actually dislike and reject the term.

[Ashkera]

Just check all of the races. Racism tells me that this will give you all of their powers simultaneously, which will probably be great for min-maxing.

(I am joking.)

[St Salvador]

I dont know if your mexican or cuban you can be both its all confusing
from what I read hispanics are people born in spain or latin america so just choose latino.

[Lilhavanaboys]

To my understanding most check other.

They really should have one for Mestizo, as far as American society is concerned it's treated like a race of it's own, also Middle Eastern gets grouped under white, it's equally silly.

America needs to have census categories more like Canada.

What are the categories like in canada?

I am a Mexican-American as well. Basically, this is easy for me. I check white since all

since all what?...

Sorry. It was a typo. I meant to say after all.

[Skinhead Nation]

Where's the 'human'-option?

[Themiclesia]

So I was filling out a registration form for school, and I had to check a box for my race. The choices were along the lines of "white, black, Asian, native american, south pac. Islander, native Alaskan, etc." Then a y/n box asking if I was Hispanic or latino. I'm a second generation Mexican American, anf my skin is not especially light, nor very dark. What should I check? I thought yes on Hispanic/latino and white for the other one (scince I am American and lighter than he rest of my family)? Do I even check one for the first question?

According to the US Census Bureau, you should check "white". Anyone with European or Middle Eastern ancestry count as "white" in the US. And check Y for that Hispanic box, only if you feel it represents you. If you don't speak Spanish or don't have significant cultural ties in common with modern Mexicans, you should leave it unchecked.

But I don't think that item is mandatory, is it? If you feel uncomfortable, you should leave it unchecked or fill in "other"; any sensible university will understand your choice.

[Eastern Equestria]

Minor point of order...

Do Brazilians count as 'Hispanic' for the purposes of these categorisations in the United States?

No. They count as "Latino".

[Themiclesia]

Minor point of order...

Do Brazilians count as 'Hispanic' for the purposes of these categorisations in the United States?

They should. As a former colony of Portugal, which is situated on the Iberian Peninsula, Brazil was controlled by a state on what is Hispania in Latin terms.

[Eastern Equestria]

Minor point of order...

Do Brazilians count as 'Hispanic' for the purposes of these categorisations in the United States?

They should. As a former colony of Portugal, which is situated on the Iberian Peninsula, Brazil was controlled by a state on what is Hispania in Latin terms.

"Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico Galician: hispánico, Basque: hispaniar, Catalan: hispà)[1][2] is an ethnonym to people of country heritage that speak the Spanish language"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

Map of Hispanic nations as per Wikipedia

[Themiclesia]

They should. As a former colony of Portugal, which is situated on the Iberian Peninsula, Brazil was controlled by a state on what is Hispania in Latin terms.

"Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico Galician: hispánico, Basque: hispaniar, Catalan: hispà)[1][2] is an ethnonym to people of country heritage that speak the Spanish language"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

Map of Hispanic nations as per Wikipedia

The Iberian Peninsula was a Roman colony called Hispania. That name applies to the whole peninsula, including Portugal. But I digress in a linguistic bent.

[Eastern Equestria]

"Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico Galician: hispánico, Basque: hispaniar, Catalan: hispà)[1][2] is an ethnonym to people of country heritage that speak the Spanish language"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

Map of Hispanic nations as per Wikipedia

The Iberian Peninsula was a Roman colony called Hispania. That name applies to the whole peninsula, including Portugal. But I digress in a linguistic bent.

You're correct, but the modern definition of the term isn't 100% in line with it's etymologic roots.

[Honnen]

Check box Hispanic. Are you also handicapped, first generation college student, female, and want to study STEM? If all of the above, apply to Princeton.

....yes, actually I am

[Honnen]

I ended up going wih white and checked yes for Hispanic (mainly for any benefits I might get like courlany wrote). The subject of race and its connection to culture and nationality is really interesting and, as far as I can tell, extremely complicated for some people who may identify as biracial or not as anyhing at all. What's interesting though is that we can choose to identify with our cultural group and their traditions rather than a group that simply shares our looks, or to not think about it at all and identify ourself as human.

[Communist German States]

You are probably Spanish descent. You should probably check white. Spanish people are white.